Do anyone kinda doubt Grant's approach to rebuilding?

SaiCLE · Post #1 » by **SaiCLE** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 7:44 pm

Do anyone kinda doubt Grant's approach to rebuilding? Don't get me wrong, I love our young core. But deep down I feel as If Grant always misses out on huge trades, looking at other teams & how they approach team building. We should have traded Varejao a long time ago, IMO Grant missed out on that opportunity to get extra assets for him, while his value was high. We should have at least tried to trade the number one pick this year, but reports came out that Grant over valued his assets.

I honestly don't see this team achieving much this season, unless we figure out this roster. It's full of young players, but they have no guidance. One last thing, Chris Grant takes way too many risks with our top picks.
How long do we have to sit on our cap space, till Grant decides to use It?

tidho · Post #2 » by **tidho** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 7:59 pm

I saw someone else make more or less the following comment...
If Grant didn't 'over value' his assets we wouldn't have Kyrie because there is no way the Clippers should have traded that pick without protection.

With Andy, I assume we were going to trade him last season then it didn't work out. I've never thought it was a necessity though. You're complaining about not dealing our veteran leader and not having veteran leadership in the same post.

This is really the first year the organization is saying that its willing to spend cap space. Too early in the process to know if they'll be succesful or not, but the last few years we haven't tried.

Post #3 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 8:12 pm

I'm confident about Grants trades since we generally win our trades. Sure we miss out on some like Varejao last year but that was not because he was asking too much, it was because Varejao got injured.

KuruptedCav · Post #4 » by **KuruptedCav** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:30 pm

I think Grant is doing an excellent job acquiring talent. It still stands to be seen whether he can assemble a team...

The next two years will be very telling, either he'll be competing for a ring or hell be competing for a job.

Cavs Rising · Post #5 » by **Cavs Rising** » Tue Jul 2, 2013 12:07 am

Saying Grant missed out on trading Varejao makes me think you haven't been paying attention the last 3 years. :crazy:

I will add my 2 cents to the build anyway.

Thompson was a head scratcher but is doing well enough for me not to get upset.

I was 100% sure we were going to pick Barnes or Drummond in 2012 that the Waiters pick threw me for a loop. As of right now I would say he is comparable to Barnes and Drummond is ahead by a bit just do to the inherent value of a legit center.

2013 was a clusterfark with 5-7 guys depending on how you talked to with little difference between them. I would prefer they took a C or SF but if they chose the pick on BPA grounds I accept that.

The earliest I would give Grant a grade would be the end of next season.

Roger Murdock · Post #6 » by **Roger Murdock** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:23 am

His biggest mistake so far has been hiring Byron Scott. Besides that I don't have too many complaints. Hes drafted good players, accumulated assets, isn't afraid to take risks, and doesn't care about public perception.

kiwibrindle · Post #7 » by **kiwibrindle** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 11:01 am

His approach so far is purely the draft which is all he really can do. Granted he has no real assets to trade or expirings and this is in Cleveland where NBA stars take there talents away from; so what to you want?

A He should walk on water?
B Draw fans in with something mediocre like no pitching and dollar dog night (who else does that again intown)?
C Attempt to pay the refs more than the league does to fix the games in the Cavs favor (who would watch that)?
D Get Cleveland to set up legalized prostitution near Tower City to attract players like Wade (maybe the easiest sell)?

Niko23 · Post #8 » by **Niko23** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:59 pm

Guys - this man is playing chess right now. There is about to be an absolute storm of moves and CG is sitting back and waiting to see where the chips fall. If you want to be simple - play checkers - and sign Iggy/Who Cares to a max deal and fight it out for the 6th seed.

barrsftw · Post #9 » by **barrsftw** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:42 pm

I initially doubted it, but then I look at waiters and TT and figure CG knows more than I do about young talent.

tidho · Post #10 » by **tidho** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:19 pm

Niko23 wrote:Guys - this man is playing chess right now. There is about to be an absolute storm of moves and CG is sitting back and waiting to see where the chips fall. If you want to be simple - play checkers - and sign Iggy/Who Cares to a max deal and fight it out for the 6th seed.

While I hope this is true, its just as likely that we sputter throught his off season without adding legitimate NBA calibur talent.

Niko23 · Post #11 » by **Niko23** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 5:13 pm

If CG fails to bring a legit player in this off season - then yes I will lite the torches and lead the march. I would even be happy with a one year rental or two. Fact is - we need to win. We are not being considered at all by FA's now because simply we are a joke. Add - for arguments sake Pau and Granger for Andy/2nds - this team now at least competes and shows we are willing to win.

Post #12 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 6:14 pm

Fact is, the Cavs actually added some decent talent last year after they'd actually finalized their roster. I was very happy with the play of Speights, Ellington and Livingston. Unfortunately, we also seem to be letting them all walk (unless Ellington doesn't get a multi year offer). Other than that, we are still in talent acquisition mode. I still think however that our biggest issues is lack of size (which I was such a big Drummond advocate a few years ago).

tidho · Post #13 » by **tidho** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 7:13 pm

Outlaw, I completely agree.

The Ellington/Speights trade was prenominal for what it was. Right now they're about 4 legitimate NBA players short of where they need to be. It doesn't even have to be starters, although finding a guy to push down the guys we've got would be nice, jut guys you know would make other teams.

Earl Clark seems like a possibility, and I think that helps you on the size end of things too because it means we'd be playing a big at 3 quite a bit. The rim defender is still missing.

Post #14 » by **Rise Against** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 9:51 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:His biggest mistake so far has been hiring Byron Scott. Besides that I don't have too many complaints. Hes drafted good players, accumulated assets, isn't afraid to take risks, and doesn't care about public perception.

You couldn't really blame him for hiring Scott during that time. Remember that it was before The Decision, and LeBron held the Cavs hostage, not knowing whether he was going to stay or not. After firing Mike Brown, Scott was the best choice at the time with or without LeBron.

gflem · Post #15 » by **gflem** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 11:46 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:His biggest mistake so far has been hiring Byron Scott. Besides that I don't have too many complaints. Hes drafted good players, accumulated assets, isn't afraid to take risks, and doesn't care about public perception.

I think Scott brought some legitimacy to the team after the departure of Lebron. Maybe the guy in your avi is his biggest mistake?

Roger Murdock · Post #16 » by **Roger Murdock** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 12:07 am

gflem wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:His biggest mistake so far has been hiring Byron Scott. Besides that I don't have too many complaints. Hes drafted good players, accumulated assets, isn't afraid to take risks, and doesn't care about public perception.

I think Scott brought some legitimacy to the team after the departure of Lebron. Maybe the guy in your avi is his biggest mistake?

Caspi is his greatest accomplishment. Just wait and see.

Niko23 · Post #17 » by **Niko23** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 2:12 am

Korver just got 6 million per.....anyone think we should have done that one?

Post #18 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:01 am

Wow, as a general rule, contracts have been down this year but anyone paying Korver 6 mil has completely lost their fiscal senses.

fart · Post #19 » by **fart** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:08 am

Good at trades. TBD on drafting, Drummond/Kyrie was possibility and I think the majority of us wanted to draft Drummond. Also, I am not a fan of using the cap this off season to be at best a 5th seed in the east. We've been terrible for three years and it's not like we have any chance to win a title this season, so why not throw our name into the Wiggins sweepstakes?

Cavs Rising · Post #20 » by **Cavs Rising** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 5:36 am

fart wrote:Good at trades. TBD on drafting, Drummond/Kyrie was possibility and I think the majority of us wanted to draft Drummond. Also, I am not a fan of using the cap this off season to be at best a 5th seed in the east. We've been terrible for three years and it's not like we have any chance to win a title this season, so why not throw our name into the Wiggins sweepstakes?

Wiggins is gone unless something franchise crippling happens. I prefer something not franchise crippling happens.

Just remember that a 10-16th pick next season is like a 5-10 pick this year. We can make that 8th seed and still get a solid player.