I had a lot of respect for this writer before I read this article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-clevel ... 2-nba.html
He gets simple details wrong (like the Cav trading first round pick"s" for Deng). He leave the common assumptions un-examined - JV is better than TT, Barnes is better than Waiters, etc. He piles on Bennett without discussing the performance of the other players from that draft. It's lazy writing where the author just reinforces the pre-existing narrative. I have a lot less respect for him.
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cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Woj has always been like this, as far as I can remember. His sources are second to none, but the opinion articles he floats out are pretty disgusting.
Last article I remember from him he was saying J.R. Smith was stupid for acting the way he does because he grew up in a nice home.
Last article I remember from him he was saying J.R. Smith was stupid for acting the way he does because he grew up in a nice home.
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You shouldn't be surprised. Pretty sure he did this when Kahn was fired, despite how many of Woj's sources, and Woj himself said 100% Rubio would never be a Wolf. This is just Woj kicking someone when they are down.
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Woj is a joke. He's vindictive and overly dramatic. When someone doesn't bow down to him, he releases one of these opinion pieces that reads like a Shakespeare play.
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Right on cue, Windy destroys pretty much everything that Woj wrote. I still have no clue how he was allowed to write such unsubstantiated information. I cant say enough how terrible of an article that was.
http://www.realcavsfans.com/real-cavs-f ... ies-windy/
http://www.realcavsfans.com/real-cavs-f ... ies-windy/
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And yet even with proof the General Board chooses to not accept the truth. Yikes. I once again realized why I stay away from that area of RealGM as much as possible.
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[quote="B Mac"]Right on cue, Windy destroys pretty much everything that Woj wrote. I still have no clue how he was allowed to write such unsubstantiated information. I cant say enough how terrible of an article that was.
http://www.realcavsfans.com/real-cavs-f ... ies-windy/[/quote]
Interesting discussion to listen to. The comment on Detroit being not that good makes me wonder what he thinks of our team. Also he says:
*-Monroe and Drummonds should have been licking their chops when they saw Zeller. Now you know what he thinks about Zeller.
*-Windy states Kyrie does not like the way Brown runs the offense.
*-That our GM Grif will be more of a offensive minded GM.
*-Grif likes european players.
*-Windy thinks we will aquire a vet, and a maybe a leader.
*-We need a shooter
*-We most likely will trade picks except our 1st
*-We overvalue our guys
*-Our scouts are too young
*-GMs bad mouth Kyrie but like his game
*- GMs don't like Dion but we like him
*- AV and Deng are viewed high but we are likely not going to trade them
*- Deng wants more than 10 mill a year more like 12 or 13 mill a year for 4 years
*-Jack's contract sucks
*-Jack's not happy
*-Clark has no value whatever
*- Bennett has big value maybe not the 1st pick in the draft
*- Grant is most likely gone dur to his misses in the draft and that is a reflection on the players we took too
*- Speculation out there is Duhmars could be a future GM here
*- or j vangundy, or workantien?, wallis, a young guy, a college coach or past pro coach (unlikely)
http://www.realcavsfans.com/real-cavs-f ... ies-windy/[/quote]
Interesting discussion to listen to. The comment on Detroit being not that good makes me wonder what he thinks of our team. Also he says:
*-Monroe and Drummonds should have been licking their chops when they saw Zeller. Now you know what he thinks about Zeller.
*-Windy states Kyrie does not like the way Brown runs the offense.
*-That our GM Grif will be more of a offensive minded GM.
*-Grif likes european players.
*-Windy thinks we will aquire a vet, and a maybe a leader.
*-We need a shooter
*-We most likely will trade picks except our 1st
*-We overvalue our guys
*-Our scouts are too young
*-GMs bad mouth Kyrie but like his game
*- GMs don't like Dion but we like him
*- AV and Deng are viewed high but we are likely not going to trade them
*- Deng wants more than 10 mill a year more like 12 or 13 mill a year for 4 years
*-Jack's contract sucks
*-Jack's not happy
*-Clark has no value whatever

*- Bennett has big value maybe not the 1st pick in the draft
*- Grant is most likely gone dur to his misses in the draft and that is a reflection on the players we took too
*- Speculation out there is Duhmars could be a future GM here
*- or j vangundy, or workantien?, wallis, a young guy, a college coach or past pro coach (unlikely)
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Seems like even the mighty woj had to kick Grant while he's down. Yeah he messed up on somethings but that doesn't mean he wasn't a decent Gm. All I know is that woj lied or chose to ignore certain information just to get hits on his articles. The Cavaliers are on a 4 game winning streak and we have a legit chance to make that 6 soon. But the media, and certain fans refuse to acknowledge anything positive regarding the Cavs. I mean take a look at gb. There's two threads up about the Cavs. One of them is made to bash the Cavs, while the other is about our winning streak but yet it barely has 3 pages in that thread.
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ABJ's Jason Lloyd weighs in on Woj's hack job in the following news link:
Jason Lloyd: Former GM Chris Grant paid price for Cavaliers’ early-season failures but his dealings delivered promising future to once downtrodden franchise
Yahoo Sports’ recent scathing article on Grant chastising him for “pitches on one-sided deals,” was perplexing since Grant successfully executed nine deals (excluding the LeBron James sign-and-trade with the Miami Heat) in 3½ years. He consummated trades with some of the most respected GMs in the league, including the Los Angeles Lakers’ Mitch Kupchak and a former Executive of the Year winner in the Chicago Bulls’ Gar Forman. (Grant negotiated swap rights into the Sessions trade with the Lakers that enabled the Cavs to move up 11 spots in last summer’s draft and land Karasev, the young shooting guard the team remains high on).
Grant’s best skill is negotiating. He engineered a deal to receive an unprotected pick from a sure-fire lottery team within that same season — nearly impossible to execute in an NBA world saturated with protected lottery picks.
http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/jason-l ... e-1.466852