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After reading all the news articles and hearing Windhurst on the radio about whether Irving will sign a max deal I really wonder if he will be back next year. Let's forget for a minute anyone opinion on whether Kyrie or Waiters is better just focus on what we think Kyrie is thinking. I think he loves the attention of the national spotlight with the uncle Drew ads and being a main topic on the national scene. I believe he will pull a Le douche bag and go with a three-year deal to keep his options open. At that point I think the Cavs will try to trade him this year.

Until I see where we lay in the draft I'm very concerned that with coach Mike Brown in place apparently for years to come and Kyrie on the block the Cavs will be mediocre at best for the foreseeable future. This sucks. If Kyrie does not sign a max deal it's a clear sign he does not want to be here. He is our best player we have to turn that into a big time sign and trade deal or all our recent high picks will be for naught.

Really?

I like Kyrie but I'm done worrying about it. If he wants to be here, great let's give Dion and Kyrie one more year to make it work. If he doesn't, via con dios. He has to be emotionally committed to making it work here in order for the Cavs to have any chance at being successful with him on the roster. Let the season play out, give him the off season to think about it, and if he balks - trade him. It's not like this team is setting the world on fire with him on the court. He has unique offensive skills but I don't think he can be the best player on your team if you want to be a championship contender.

I expect him to sign a max contract and turn out to be the next Gilbert Arenas.

This guy is so overrated its not even funny anymore.

Wasn't Arenas a darn good player until the injuries and bad decisions regarding how much Washington gave him?

Gilbert Arenas was a) pretty awesome in his prime and b) a total nutjob, which Kyrie definitely isn't.

All these rumors about Kyrie wanting to leave are a media creation. Just a day or two ago, he angrily ranted about how wrong the rumors are on Twitter and indirectly called out Windhorst as someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. There's never been a concrete indication to support these rumors, just weak speculation and a few very weak 'a source told me' BS. I'm siding with Kyrie, I think this is all pretty much nonsense.

The only problem I see with giving Kyrie the max is that I don't think he's a number 1 on a good team. I think he's one of those guys who'd be phenomenal as the secondary scorer and would truly excel with good players surrounding him but because of the CBA I'd hate to max him as a number 2.

TheOUTLAW wrote:The only problem I see with giving Kyrie the max is that I don't think he's a number 1 on a good team. I think he's one of those guys who'd be phenomenal as the secondary scorer and would truly excel with good players surrounding him but because of the CBA I'd hate to max him as a number 2.

A number 2 on a good team is worth the max. Look at the #2 of any good team in the league today. They're all either max or borderline max players. The Spurs are the closest thing to an exception and they have an insanely good system, coach, FO, culture, etc. that can't really be matched.

Okada wrote:Gilbert Arenas was a) pretty awesome in his prime and b) a total nutjob, which Kyrie definitely isn't.

All these rumors about Kyrie wanting to leave are a media creation. Just a day or two ago, he angrily ranted about how wrong the rumors are on Twitter and indirectly called out Windhorst as someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. There's never been a concrete indication to support these rumors, just weak speculation and a few very weak 'a source told me' BS. I'm siding with Kyrie, I think this is all pretty much nonsense.

Lloyd reported that someone he knew to be close to Kyrie told him over a year ago that they didn't want him to stay in Cleveland and Lloyd sat on the story. Someone is talking out of school. These reporters aren't pulling this stuff out of the air. If it his agent, and Kyrie doesn't want it to be out there, then he should consider firing him. Kyrie hasn't exactly denied the story either. Every response was a non-denial denial.

I want Kyrie to be a part of this team going forward, but if he wants out and we have to trade him it's not the end of the world. We haven't exactly set the world on fire since he's been here and we'd get a huge return for him. Hopefully he signs the max deal, if not, we'll develop Dion and draft new guys.

Yes he will.

Okada wrote:

TheOUTLAW wrote:The only problem I see with giving Kyrie the max is that I don't think he's a number 1 on a good team. I think he's one of those guys who'd be phenomenal as the secondary scorer and would truly excel with good players surrounding him but because of the CBA I'd hate to max him as a number 2.

A number 2 on a good team is worth the max. Look at the #2 of any good team in the league today. They're all either max or borderline max players. The Spurs are the closest thing to an exception and they have an insanely good system, coach, FO, culture, etc. that can't really be matched.

Coaches don't make a difference.

Dupp wrote:Coaches don't make a difference.

Which was never my argument, dummy.

I said most coaches, save for a handful, don't matter that much.

jbk1234 wrote:Lloyd reported that someone he knew to be close to Kyrie told him over a year ago that they didn't want him to stay in Cleveland and Lloyd sat on the story. Someone is talking out of school. These reporters aren't pulling this stuff out of the air. If it his agent, and Kyrie doesn't want it to be out there, then he should consider firing him. Kyrie hasn't exactly denied the story either. Every response was a non-denial denial.

1. That was a weak response, same as all the rumors.

2. Kyrie gave a genuinely angry denial like two days ago dude. Come on.

Okada wrote:

Dupp wrote:Coaches don't make a difference.

Which was never my argument, dummy.

I said most coaches, save for a handful, don't matter that much.

jbk1234 wrote:Lloyd reported that someone he knew to be close to Kyrie told him over a year ago that they didn't want him to stay in Cleveland and Lloyd sat on the story. Someone is talking out of school. These reporters aren't pulling this stuff out of the air. If it his agent, and Kyrie doesn't want it to be out there, then he should consider firing him. Kyrie hasn't exactly denied the story either. Every response was a non-denial denial.

1. That was a weak response, same as all the rumors.

2. Kyrie gave a genuinely angry denial like two days ago dude. Come on.

He has never said I intend on signing a max contract with Cleveland. Lloyd has asked him that question point blank three times and he's avoided answering it three times. His recent statements were that Windy's report was nonsense, that these reports were hurting the team, and that he was focused on winning games this season. He's been hedging his responses. Perhaps he wants to keep his leverage during the extension talks. Perhaps he wants a say in personnel moves. But he has clearly been hedging.

Kyrie signs the extension because as Windy points out - every rookie does because it sets up your family for generations. I fully expect him to pull a LB and choose the opt out option after 3 years.

Anyway - I think the team needs to be fully overhauled. I think Irving brings back the best haul - so I would love to see what we could get for him. Keep Dion, Delly, Bennett, and maybe even Jack. Trade everyone else.

I think I read the idea somewhere on RealGM - and have been floating it around to some of my buddies up here, but what would you guys think about a Rondo for Kyrie trade and possibly switch first round picks? Would need someone who can splash at the 3 though....

CLEbland wrote:I think I read the idea somewhere on RealGM - and have been floating it around to some of my buddies up here, but what would you guys think about a Rondo for Kyrie trade and possibly switch first round picks? Would need someone who can splash at the 3 though....

does switching 1st round picks entail a top 3 pick? then sure

[quote="Niko23"]Kyrie signs the extension because as Windy points out - every rookie does because it sets up your family for generations. I fully expect him to pull a LB and choose the opt out option after 3 years.

Anyway - I think the team needs to be fully overhauled. I think Irving brings back the best haul - so I would love to see what we could get for him. Keep Dion, Delly, Bennett, and maybe even Jack. Trade everyone else.[/quote]

I would also like to see Hawes return. His effort is worth seeing rewarded even though he is slow.

The question is the definition of "max". If Kyrie starts the ASG again, he's eligible for the super-max, where the Cavs could pay him even more. Even if he's worth the max, Kyrie is fighting to maintain leverage for the super-max.

Of course, he doesn't deserve the super-max. He might be a classic great-stats-bad-team guy.

My problem with people saying that he's a great stats on a bad team guy is that I think his stats wouldn't change if he were in a very good team they miight even be better. He's the kind of guy that I think would even be better if surrounded by good players.

BTW the dumbest thing I've ever heard is that there was an article about someone that is friends with Kyrie not wanting him to stay in Cleveland? Who cares if that person has an opinion about kyrie in Cleveland.