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Hmm. I always thought Karl was pretty overrated but I wouldn't hate having him around or anything.

Do not want.

I'll allow it.



instantly put George Karl as one of my favorite people in the world.

George Karl bumping Gucci...now that's an image.

A non winner coming to a franchise and a city that has never won.....ummm. My take is that we hope Pop retires, Mike Brown calls Pop and begs him to be President. DG stays as GM. = Profit.

Niko23 wrote:A non winner coming to a franchise and a city that has never won.....ummm. My take is that we hope Pop retires, Mike Brown calls Pop and begs him to be President. DG stays as GM. = Profit.

Still a better coach than M Brown ever was or will be. Never had a talent like Lebron, so those wins on M Brown's resume come with an asterisk imo.

I want to be a president at a big company too

gflem wrote:

Niko23 wrote:A non winner coming to a franchise and a city that has never won.....ummm. My take is that we hope Pop retires, Mike Brown calls Pop and begs him to be President. DG stays as GM. = Profit.

Still a better coach than M Brown ever was or will be. Never had a talent like Lebron, so those wins on M Brown's resume come with an asterisk imo.

Is this a serious statement? Very few have coached a player of LeBron's caliber, but Karl coached some excellent players in their prime.

World B. Free
Shawn Kemp
Gary Payton
Ray Allen
Carmelo Anthony

Karl is a 60% winning coach over 20 years and made the playoffs 18 times. Calling him a bad coach is a joke.

Roger Murdock wrote:Karl is a 60% winning coach over 20 years and made the playoffs 18 times. Calling him a bad coach is a joke.

He's definitely not a BAD coach, just maybe not a good one. His lack of playoff success, and the manners in which they happened, is very off-putting.

Okada wrote:

Roger Murdock wrote:Karl is a 60% winning coach over 20 years and made the playoffs 18 times. Calling him a bad coach is a joke.

He's definitely not a BAD coach, just maybe not a good one. His lack of playoff success, and the manners in which they happened, is very off-putting.

He's a good one hell even a great one just not an amazing/lucky one.

Some all time great players never won a championship, we still consider them great, coaches have less control than the star player.

& of course some OK coaches are carried to a championship. (not a reference to Phil Jackson because I think he's actually the best ever)

The entire coaching thing is based on luck more than anything else in basketball.

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:

Okada wrote:

Roger Murdock wrote:Karl is a 60% winning coach over 20 years and made the playoffs 18 times. Calling him a bad coach is a joke.

He's definitely not a BAD coach, just maybe not a good one. His lack of playoff success, and the manners in which they happened, is very off-putting.

He's a good one hell even a great one just not an amazing/lucky one.

Some all time great players never won a championship, we still consider them great, coaches have less control than the star player.

& of course some OK coaches are carried to a championship. (not a reference to Phil Jackson because I think he's actually the best ever)

The entire coaching thing is based on luck more than anything else in basketball.

I largely agree with you, but the guy made the playoffs nearly 20 times and got knocked out of the first round nearly every time, with quite a few of those coming when he had the more talented team. His poor playoff coaching was a well-documented issue at those times. Think a bit like what Scott Brooks is going through now.

Okada wrote:

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:

Okada wrote:
He's definitely not a BAD coach, just maybe not a good one. His lack of playoff success, and the manners in which they happened, is very off-putting.

He's a good one hell even a great one just not an amazing/lucky one.

Some all time great players never won a championship, we still consider them great, coaches have less control than the star player.

& of course some OK coaches are carried to a championship. (not a reference to Phil Jackson because I think he's actually the best ever)

The entire coaching thing is based on luck more than anything else in basketball.

I largely agree with you, but the guy made the playoffs nearly 20 times and got knocked out of the first round nearly every time, with quite a few of those coming when he had the more talented team. His poor playoff coaching was a well-documented issue at those times. Think a bit like what Scott Brooks is going through now.

You're right.

14 1st round exist,
4 semi
3 conf finals
1 finals

that's pretty bad.

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:You're right.

14 1st round exist,
4 semi
3 conf finals
1 finals

that's pretty bad.

He's definitely a good coach, made the playoffs nearly every year, but he justifiably got skewered a lot of years for his mistakes. The most notable one was him not switching Gary Payton onto Michael Jordan in the '96 Finals until Game 4, if I'm not mistaken. Payton is one of the very, very best defensive guards of all-time and possibly the best, and he didn't make that adjustment until that late. Payton relatively shut Mike down in the games he did guard him. I hate to point to a single adjustment as the difference-maker, but it's not inconceivable that the Sonics could've won the title if he had actually thought to put one of the greatest defensive guards in history on the greatest player of all-time sooner. He held him to 6 for 19 in game 4 and 5 for 19 in game 6.

Karl's teams rarely played good defense. They could out score opponents in the regular season and then lost in the playoffs.

Frankly, what the Cavs are going to do with Kyrie this off season matters far more than whether Griffin or Brown return. You can't determine what type of franchise you are going to have unless you have first determined whether Kyrie is your franchise player.

Awesome then perfect, we just fuse together Mike Brown & George Karl.

mcfly1204 wrote:

gflem wrote:

Niko23 wrote:A non winner coming to a franchise and a city that has never won.....ummm. My take is that we hope Pop retires, Mike Brown calls Pop and begs him to be President. DG stays as GM. = Profit.

Still a better coach than M Brown ever was or will be. Never had a talent like Lebron, so those wins on M Brown's resume come with an asterisk imo.

Is this a serious statement? Very few have coached a player of LeBron's caliber, but Karl coached some excellent players in their prime.

World B. Free
Shawn Kemp
Gary Payton
Ray Allen
Carmelo Anthony

Totally serious. Outside of the rings Allen got with Boston, I believe Lebron has more rings than all the other combined. Karl never had a player as talented as Lebron, or even Kobe for that matter. All the players you listed were or are great players, I'm not disputing that, but Melo?
How did his team do in the playoffs this year? And Karl took a team that started 2-19 with Free and actually made the playoffs. I don't think Karl would be a bad choice, but I don't think he and Brown could co-exist due to the difference in philosophies. Oh, and Karl never got fired 5 games into a season.

Thing is, the coaching aspect shouldn't be all that relevant since he's interested in president position.

He might not be good at making decisions under pressure, & with the president position the focus is always more on long term.

But he obviously does have a great basketball mind.

I'm not sure he's the best guy for the job, but it would be nice for him to get a shot at redemption in Cleveland. His Cavs teams were atrociously mismanaged.