Our Roster

eltercero · Post #1 » by **eltercero** » Thu May 22, 2014 2:55 pm

I'm really excited about our roster next year. I'm hoping that we keep the #1 pick and draft either Embiid or Wiggins, so that our lineup next year looks something like this:
Kyrie/Delly/Jack
Dion/Miles/Felix
Deng or Ariza/Karasev/#33 Pick
Bennett/Tristan
Embiid/Zeller/Andy

Or:
Kyrie/Delly/Jack
Dion/Miles/Felix
Wiggins/Karasev/#33 Pick
Bennett/Tristan
Monroe or Gasol/Zeller/Andy

And in both of these scenarios, we would still have over $10 million in cap space left over assuming we don't pick up Andy's option. The future is looking bright gentlemen 8-)

Post #2 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:29 pm

Karasev is not a 3

mcfly1204 · Post #3 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:50 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Karasev is not a 3

What makes you say that? He is 6'7" with a 6'9"+ wingspan, and he reportedly put 10-15lbs. (can't recall the source at the moment) this past season.

eltercero · Post #4 » by **eltercero** » Thu May 22, 2014 7:01 pm

Once Karasev fills out, he will definitely be able to play the 3.

gflem · Post #5 » by **gflem** » Thu May 22, 2014 11:59 pm

You have high hopes for Bennett, no? I would say I hope that you are right, but if he starts in front of TT then Kyrie will have two players he wont pass the ball to in the starting lineup.

Dupp · Post #6 » by **Dupp** » Fri May 23, 2014 12:34 am

Our roster looked pretty good on paper last season too. One thing I'm not so sure about is fit. Also chemistry needs a lot of work, we were up there with the very worst as far as team chemistry was concerned last season. I really hope we cab get a decent coach.

Post #7 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Fri May 23, 2014 12:36 am

Even 10-15 pounds makes him too light to play the 3. He wasn't even really strong enough to play the 2 last year.

One Love · Post #8 » by **One Love** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:49 pm

Wiggins...

giannidemarco · Post #9 » by **giannidemarco** » Thu May 29, 2014 9:13 pm

The team needs some vets in the rotation, otherwise it'll be like the Chicago Bulls teams of the early 2000's when they had young talent, but never got anywhere.

2000-01 (record: 15-67)
C - Brad Miller
PF - Elton Brand, Marcus Fizer
SF - Ron Artest
SG - Ron Mercer
PG - Jamal Crawford

2001-02 (record: 21-61)
C - Brad Miller, Eddy Curry
PF - Tyson Chandler, Marcus Fizer
SF - Ron Artest, Trenton Hassell
SG - Ron Mercer, Eddie Robinson
PG - Jamal Crawford

2002-03 (record: 30-52)
C - Eddy Curry, Lonny Baxter
PF - Tyson Chandler, Marcus Fizer
SF - Trenton Hassell, Eddie Robinson
SG - Jamal Crawford, Roger Mason Jr.
PG - Jay Williams

2003-04 (record: 23-59)
C - Eddy Curry, Lonny Baxter
PF - Tyson Chandler, Marcus Fizer
SF - Chris Jeffries, Ronald Dupree, Linton Johnson
SG - Jamal Crawford, Eddie Robinson, Roger Mason Jr.
PG - Kirk Hinrich, Jannero Pargo

**EDIT: IMO, the Cavs should keep the 3 most promising prospects & surround them with vets that could still play. And in 4 years or so, those 3 prospects should be entering their prime & be able to take the reign in leadership.

Post #10 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:17 am

Or like the Cavs of 86-87 that started 4 rookies and another coming off the bench early. If they know how to play, they can play.

KI-DW-TT-AB · Post #11 » by **KI-DW-TT-AB** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:32 am

did those bulls have a single all star (at the time)?

kiwibrindle · Post #12 » by **kiwibrindle** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:09 am

I will be very very surprised there are not major major changes to this roster. Forget who's at each postion

Just compare the group of players at each spot against the league's players at that position:

Kyrie/Delly/Jack = better than average
Dion/Miles (if he resigns) /Karasev (not a 3)/Felix = average at best but not really
Deng (if he Signs) or Wiggins (if we Draft him) and nobody else worth a crap = average at best to possibly very very bad
Bennett/TT the stiff = okay we suck here
Embiid/Zeller/Andy = Without Embiid we suck here too and I love Andy "but its over Johnny over".

You all know this reality already. We are Mediocre at best and the strength is at the 1

Unless Griffin signs some FAs (& so far he has done okay).

As was said in the waterboy: "oh no we suck again"

Best Wishes My friends!

mcfly1204 · Post #13 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri May 30, 2014 4:52 pm

Kyrie/Dellavedova: above average
Dion/Jack: average, with potential to be above average
FA or trade/Karasev: TBD, currently well below avearge
Bennett/TT: slighly below average, with the potential to be above average
Embiid/Andy/Zeller: average, with the potential to be well above average

giannidemarco · Post #14 » by **giannidemarco** » Fri May 30, 2014 9:54 pm

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:did those bulls have a single all star (at the time)?

Elton Brand averaged 20pts & 10rebs his first 2 seasons w/ the Bulls, which are all-star numbers -- but he got outvoted by highly endorsed athletes & was passed over as a reserve for players on better teams which is fair.

giannidemarco · Post #15 » by **giannidemarco** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:19 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Or like the Cavs of 86-87 that started 4 rookies and another coming off the bench early. If they know how to play, they can play.

Their first impressive season was in 1988-89 (record: 57-25) and they had 4-5 vets in the rotation (Larry Nance, Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo, and Darnell Valentine/Tree Rollins as end of the rotation players).

I believe the team should follow that same 1988-89 model of a young core w/ productive vets:
C - Brad Daughtery, Tree Rollins
PF - Larry Nance, Hot Rod Williams
SF - Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo
SG - Ron Harper, Darnell Valentine
PG - Mark Price

Post #16 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 31, 2014 12:40 am

giannidemarco wrote:
TheOUTLAW wrote:Or like the Cavs of 86-87 that started 4 rookies and another coming off the bench early. If they know how to play, they can play.

Their first impressive season was in 1988-89 (record: 57-25) and they had 4-5 vets in the rotation (Larry Nance, Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo, and Darnell Valentine/Tree Rollins as end of the rotation players).

I believe the team should follow that same 1988-89 model of a young core w/ productive vets:
C - Brad Daughtery, Tree Rollins
PF - Larry Nance, Hot Rod Williams
SF - Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo
SG - Ron Harper, Darnell Valentine
PG - Mark Price

Darnell Valentine? You clearly are not a Cavs fan.

giannidemarco · Post #17 » by **giannidemarco** » Sat May 31, 2014 4:35 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:
giannidemarco wrote:
TheOUTLAW wrote:Or like the Cavs of 86-87 that started 4 rookies and another coming off the bench early. If they know how to play, they can play.

Their first impressive season was in 1988-89 (record: 57-25) and they had 4-5 vets in the rotation (Larry Nance, Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo, and Darnell Valentine/Tree Rollins as end of the rotation players).

I believe the team should follow that same 1988-89 model of a young core w/ productive vets:
C - Brad Daughtery, Tree Rollins
PF - Larry Nance, Hot Rod Williams
SF - Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo
SG - Ron Harper, Darnell Valentine
PG - Mark Price

Darnell Valentine? You clearly are not a Cavs fan.

Well I was really young when this core was is place & I only remember Mark Price, Hot Rod Williams, and Brad Daughtery... but Darnell Valentine was 8th on the team in minutes played (for the Cavs in 1988-89), so I'd count him as an end of rotation vet. Also, before they added the veteran players, the Cavs 1986-87 record was just 31 Wins - 51 Losses

kiwibrindle · Post #18 » by **kiwibrindle** » Sat May 31, 2014 11:59 am

[quote="TheOUTLAW"][quote="giannidemarco"][quote="TheOUTLAW"]Or like the Cavs of 86-87 that started 4 rookies and another coming off the bench early. If they know how to play, they can play.[/quote]

Their first impressive season was in 1988-89 (record: 57-25) and they had 4-5 vets in the rotation (Larry Nance, Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo, and Darnell Valentine/Tree Rollins as end of the rotation players).

I believe the team should follow that same 1988-89 model of a young core w/ productive vets:
C - Brad Daughtery, Tree Rollins
PF - Larry Nance, Hot Rod Williams
SF - Mike Sanders, Craig Ehlo
SG - Ron Harper, Darnell Valentine
PG - Mark Price[/quote]h

Darnell Valentine? You clearly are not a Cavs fan.[/quote]

Proven we were good before Danny Ferry came here Ever since we have had the "Curse" of Danny Ferry!

Bad karma equals :
- trading the only defender who could keep Jorden at 20 a game for the son of another GM's son.

Just think about everything that has happened bad ever since

It can all be tied to Ferry

The shot
Mike Brown twice
No help for Ladouchebag while he was here
GMs that suck and can't draft

It's the Curse!

Post #19 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:45 pm

There is no way that the Stepien era could be described as anything but a curse and it preceded all this.

giannidemarco · Post #20 » by **giannidemarco** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 5:27 am

Yeah, I liked the CAVS in the mid 90s w/Terrell Brandon as the lead guard. I wish they never traded him; it would have been awesome if the front office drafted Peja Stojakovic or Jermaine O'Neal instead of Vitaly Potapenko with the #12 pick in '96... They made the right choice w/ Zydrunas Ilgauskas at #20 though. Solid core that would have been.