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Bradley Beal is a starter that shot 41% from the field and played 35 minutes per game last year. Waiters shot a better percentage and scored 2 points less in less minutes majority of it came off the bench. I much rather have waiters at this point.

Beal is better but it's funny that statistically they've been close and beal is an awesome prospect while waiters is apparently trash.

The biggest reason Waiters gets hated on is because of the whole locker room issue rumors as well as how he came off the bench.

Had he played 35 min a game as a starter and there were no questions about his character, he would easily be considered Beal's level.

I actually think Waiters is the better player. He was just handicapped by Byron Scott and Mike Brown. Of course his own attitude had a lot to do with it, but thinking highly of one's self comes along with many a player in many a sport. If he can find more consistency he'd shine a whole lot brighter. It's going to be hard to do as a fourth option. Unlike in the article, I think Beal looks even better than Waiters in the court of public opinion after this year because he'll be more of a focal point for his team.

I cringed when I heard Waiters was watching Miami Heat videos to learn how to play SG next to LeBron. The Heat didn't have a dynamic PG like Kyrie and we all know Waiters is no D-Wade.

If Waiters wants to fit in, he needs to learn how to be an efficient spot up 3-point shooter that gets half the looks he used to...

improvisor wrote:Bradley Beal is a starter that shot 41% from the field and played 35 minutes per game last year. Waiters shot a better percentage and scored 2 points less in less minutes majority of it came off the bench. I much rather have waiters at this point.

If you look at the advanced stats instead of just comparing field goal percentage, it should be obvious. Turnovers, rebounding, offensive and defensive rating, and especially win shares, should explain the story a little better. Beals efg and ts are slightly better, and really Dion is only better statistically in assists, which is negated by his higher turnover rate. Combine this with the fact that Dion is a year and a half older and it should be obvious why people think Beal is the superior prospect.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=waitedi01&y1=2014&p2=bealbr01&y2=2014

Mr Sixer wrote:

improvisor wrote:Bradley Beal is a starter that shot 41% from the field and played 35 minutes per game last year. Waiters shot a better percentage and scored 2 points less in less minutes majority of it came off the bench. I much rather have waiters at this point.

If you look at the advanced stats instead of just comparing field goal percentage, it should be obvious. Turnovers, rebounding, offensive and defensive rating, and especially win shares, should explain the story a little better. Beals efg and ts are slightly better, and really Dion is only better statistically in assists, which is negated by his higher turnover rate. Combine this with the fact that Dion is a year and a half older and it should be obvious why people think Beal is the superior prospect.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=waitedi01&y1=2014&p2=bealbr01&y2=2014

If we go by win shares . We got 2 of the top 3 players in the NBA. Is that true??? Love isn't the 3rd best player in the league.

Win shares,ows ,dws, ortg and drtg are estimates which shouldn't be mistaking as facts.Advance stats are meaningless imo because they aren't facts.

Fact is with less minutes. Waiters numbers are not much different and I personally rather have a player that can score more efficiently in less minutes. I like Beal but he's not way better than waiters like most think.

Btw defense is close to impossible to measure. Waiters improved last year, not bad considering he was a good defender in college using the Zone only.

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chaps316 wrote:I cringed when I heard Waiters was watching Miami Heat videos to learn how to play SG next to LeBron. The Heat didn't have a dynamic PG like Kyrie and we all know Waiters is no D-Wade.

If Waiters wants to fit in, he needs to learn how to be an efficient spot up 3-point shooter that gets half the looks he used to...

Waiters shot 41.9% from catch and shoot threes last season. Can't remember the sample size but it was over 150.

Dupp wrote:

chaps316 wrote:I cringed when I heard Waiters was watching Miami Heat videos to learn how to play SG next to LeBron. The Heat didn't have a dynamic PG like Kyrie and we all know Waiters is no D-Wade.

If Waiters wants to fit in, he needs to learn how to be an efficient spot up 3-point shooter that gets half the looks he used to...

Waiters shot 41.9% from catch and shoot threes last season. Can't remember the sample size but it was over 150.

I notice that a lot last year, even if you watch his highlight videos it shows a lot of his makes from 3 came from spotting up.

Mr Sixer wrote:

improvisor wrote:Bradley Beal is a starter that shot 41% from the field and played 35 minutes per game last year. Waiters shot a better percentage and scored 2 points less in less minutes majority of it came off the bench. I much rather have waiters at this point.

If you look at the advanced stats instead of just comparing field goal percentage, it should be obvious. Turnovers, rebounding, offensive and defensive rating, and especially win shares, should explain the story a little better. Beals efg and ts are slightly better, and really Dion is only better statistically in assists, which is negated by his higher turnover rate. Combine this with the fact that Dion is a year and a half older and it should be obvious why people think Beal is the superior prospect.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=waitedi01&y1=2014&p2=bealbr01&y2=2014

And Beal doesn't have half the handle or ability to create his own shot that Dion does. If Beal doesn't get open off the ball, he generally doesn't get open.

improvisor wrote:If we go by win shares . We got 2 of the top 3 players in the NBA. Is that true??? Love isn't the 3rd best player in the league.

Love at least has an argument for being in the top 3. We couldn't field a good enough team around him, but once he's playing for you guys you'll see just how good he is. I'd say after LBJ/Durant then there's a legit case for quite a few people(Curry, CP3, WB, Howard, Love, Griffin) to be #3, just depends how that person is playing at the time.

Edit: You could add Klay Thompson into this discussion with Beal/Waiters. Posted a similar PER, probably because he doesn't do much in the stat sheet besides score, and doesn't get to the line.

moss_is_1 wrote:

improvisor wrote:If we go by win shares . We got 2 of the top 3 players in the NBA. Is that true??? Love isn't the 3rd best player in the league.

Love at least has an argument for being in the top 3. We couldn't field a good enough team around him, but once he's playing for you guys you'll see just how good he is. I'd say after LBJ/Durant then there's a legit case for quite a few people(Curry, CP3, WB, Howard, Love, Griffin) to be #3, just depends how that person is playing at the time.

Edit: You could add Klay Thompson into this discussion with Beal/Waiters. Posted a similar PER, probably because he doesn't do much in the stat sheet besides score, and doesn't get to the line.

Love is a good player but I don't see him as a top 3 player. Top 10 yes.

I believe if Beal isn't starting and get less minutes his production will drop.12-14 pts and 3-4 rebounds and 2-4 assist which is still good but I doubt it will be as good as waiters numbers.

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Heat3Peat wrote:The biggest reason Waiters gets hated on is because of the whole locker room issue rumors as well as how he came off the bench.

Had he played 35 min a game as a starter and there were no questions about his character, he would easily be considered Beal's level.

No.

Biggest reason Waiters gets hated on is because Cleveland drafted him over Barnes/Thomas Robinson/Drummond/Lillard/etc.

Had OKC done the same thing, they would've been called geniuses.

As I recall exact same thing happen with Westbrook.

We're still looking for all this proof from these geniuses that Barnes etc are better than Waiters. Many of these idiots are silent now or moved on to some other reason to hate on Waiters.

TheOUTLAW wrote:We're still looking for all this proof from these geniuses that Barnes etc are better than Waiters. Many of these idiots are silent now or moved on to some other reason to hate on Waiters.

This looks like OKC drafting Westbrook more so each passing day.

OKC passed on K Love & Brook Lopez, but avoided numerous busts starting with Bayless who was mock draft projection at #4.

We passed on Lillard & Drummond, but avoided numerous busts starting with Thomas Robinson who was suppose to go as high as 2nd, but not lower than 4th.

K Love is clearly better than Westbrook, as Lillard is than Waiters, but neither were good fits for their roster at the time.

Drummond is better than Waiters, but this is just after 2 seasons, & after 2 seasons everyone had Brook above Westbrook, although this is no longer the case.

Will it be same for Waiters? It remains to be seen. Only thing I know for sure is that 3% will increase for Waiters.

Afterall OJ Mayo stats were more impressive than Westbrook's were after the 2nd season.

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:

TheOUTLAW wrote:We're still looking for all this proof from these geniuses that Barnes etc are better than Waiters. Many of these idiots are silent now or moved on to some other reason to hate on Waiters.

This looks like OKC drafting Westbrook more so each passing day.

OKC passed on K Love & Brook Lopez, but avoided numerous busts starting with Bayless who was mock draft projection at #4.

We passed on Lillard & Drummond, but avoided numerous busts starting with Thomas Robinson who was suppose to go as high as 2nd, but not lower than 4th.

K Love is clearly better than Westbrook, as Lillard is than Waiters, but neither were good fits for their roster at the time.

Drummond is better than Waiters, but this is just after 2 seasons, & after 2 seasons everyone had Brook above Westbrook, although this is no longer the case.

Will it be same for Waiters? It remains to be seen. Only thing I know for sure is that 3% will increase for Waiters.

Afterall OJ Mayo stats were more impressive than Westbrook's were after the 2nd season.

Strong avatar.

Just because Westbrook defied most statistics and became a stellar player after an inefficient rookie year doesn't mean that Waiters will do the same thing. It's like saying 2nd rounders have a good chance of becoming Hall of Famers and using Manu as an example.

Mr Sixer wrote:

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:

TheOUTLAW wrote:We're still looking for all this proof from these geniuses that Barnes etc are better than Waiters. Many of these idiots are silent now or moved on to some other reason to hate on Waiters.

This looks like OKC drafting Westbrook more so each passing day.

OKC passed on K Love & Brook Lopez, but avoided numerous busts starting with Bayless who was mock draft projection at #4.

We passed on Lillard & Drummond, but avoided numerous busts starting with Thomas Robinson who was suppose to go as high as 2nd, but not lower than 4th.

K Love is clearly better than Westbrook, as Lillard is than Waiters, but neither were good fits for their roster at the time.

Drummond is better than Waiters, but this is just after 2 seasons, & after 2 seasons everyone had Brook above Westbrook, although this is no longer the case.

Will it be same for Waiters? It remains to be seen. Only thing I know for sure is that 3% will increase for Waiters.

Afterall OJ Mayo stats were more impressive than Westbrook's were after the 2nd season.

Strong avatar.

Just because Westbrook defied most statistics and became a stellar player after an inefficient rookie year doesn't mean that Waiters will do the same thing. It's like saying 2nd rounders have a good chance of becoming Hall of Famers and using Manu as an example.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but RW took a leap whereas DW is just trending upward. RW's percentages his first two seasons make Waiters look like Mark Price. Hell, Waiters's post All-Star break numbers from last season are better than RW's breakout year.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Mr Sixer wrote:

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:This looks like OKC drafting Westbrook more so each passing day.

OKC passed on K Love & Brook Lopez, but avoided numerous busts starting with Bayless who was mock draft projection at #4.

We passed on Lillard & Drummond, but avoided numerous busts starting with Thomas Robinson who was suppose to go as high as 2nd, but not lower than 4th.

K Love is clearly better than Westbrook, as Lillard is than Waiters, but neither were good fits for their roster at the time.

Drummond is better than Waiters, but this is just after 2 seasons, & after 2 seasons everyone had Brook above Westbrook, although this is no longer the case.

Will it be same for Waiters? It remains to be seen. Only thing I know for sure is that 3% will increase for Waiters.

Afterall OJ Mayo stats were more impressive than Westbrook's were after the 2nd season.

Strong avatar.

Just because Westbrook defied most statistics and became a stellar player after an inefficient rookie year doesn't mean that Waiters will do the same thing. It's like saying 2nd rounders have a good chance of becoming Hall of Famers and using Manu as an example.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but RW took a leap whereas DW is just trending upward. RW's percentages his first two seasons make Waiters look like Mark Price. Hell, Waiters's post All-Star break numbers from last season are better than RW's breakout year.

Okay, keep believing that sixth man Waiters is going to be as good as Westbrook because of his post all star break stretch of one season. You're lucky that he played well, or his season averages would have been horrible. You ever heard of regressing to the mean? It happens when you're not playing well also.

Jeez you Cav fans are delusional about Waiters's value. He went from being compared to Beal (where he clearly does not have nearly as much value) to Westbrook.

I don't think anyone said waiters is or will be as good as Westbrook.