Best Cavs lineup

[KingKyrie1]

I can't track this lineup but I believe the best lineup Cleveland can throw out there is
PG:Kyrie SG:Dellavedova SF:Shumpert PF:Lebron C:Love
This lineup offensively is as potent as it gets, one player must be open at the 3pt line every time, you don't give up rebounds since Kevin Love and LBJ are great rebounders.
you force teams to go small at the 4 which makes LBJ dominate even more at the 4 in rebounds and in the post.
Cleveland can switch everything, Love may not not be the best rim protector (I don't think TT is better at that) but Love isn't slow laterally, he can stay with the attacker most times than not.

I really want to see this lineup more and I believe if the guards play defense with great intensity they can limit the penetrations by the guards.
Mozgov not starting and the way he has been playing reminds me of last season on defense, way too many easy baskets under the rim and this is mostly TT's fault, he can not protect the rim at all, so why not make the offense even more potent if you don't necessarily sacrafice the defense..?

[lambchop]

makes sense on paper. But love tends to be a non factor at times. Sometimes even misses point blank layups. With tt you have MUCH better defense, especially on the pick n roll. Plus tt crashes the offensive glass and you can use him and delly in the pick n roll, which draws defenders in cause of the threat of either dellys strange floaters or TTs alley oops, and ultimately leaves the 3 point line open for jr, kyrie, (bron) or cutting opportunities for bron.

[yoyoboy]

I don't know. Personally I like Kyrie-Delly-LeBron-Love-Tristan. Shumpert might be able to replace Delly occasionally, but his lack of playmaking and shooting hurts, despite his defensive ability. And Love can't play center for too long without getting exposed on defense. Having both Tristan and Love in there attracts so much defensive attention, whether that be on the three point line attached to Love or on TT to stop him from gobbling up offensive boards. In these last 2 seasons, that lineup posts a 138 ORTG and an 89 DRTG.

It's weird though. The lineup of Kyrie-Delly-Shumpert-LeBron-Love that you posted has played a grand total of 6 minutes since the start of last season. In that tiny sample size, they posted a 120 ORTG and an 87 DRTG. I don't expect that defensive rating to remain stable over a larger sample, but why the hell do we not use that lineup more often for an offensive punch?

[jbk1234]

Put LBJ at center and Love at PF instead. That's a nightmare for the other team defensively.

[KingKyrie1]

I don't know. Personally I like Kyrie-Delly-LeBron-Love-Tristan. Shumpert might be able to replace Delly occasionally, but his lack of playmaking and shooting hurts, despite his defensive ability. And Love can't play center for too long without getting exposed on defense. Having both Tristan and Love in there attracts so much defensive attention, whether that be on the three point line attached to Love or on TT to stop him from gobbling up offensive boards. In these last 2 seasons, that lineup posts a 138 ORTG and an 89 DRTG.

It's weird though. The lineup of Kyrie-Delly-Shumpert-LeBron-Love that you posted has played a grand total of 6 minutes since the start of last season. In that tiny sample size, they posted a 120 ORTG and an 87 DRTG. I don't expect that defensive rating to remain stable over a larger sample, but why the hell do we not use that lineup more often for an offensive punch?

serious question, are you guys disappointed by our overpayment and the way we shipped Zeller and our 1st round pick to relieve the cap space for Lebron? I mean why just not ship Jarrett Jack to Minnesota instead? I'm sure they would agreed toinclude him in the deal for Wiggins.
Every move in retrospect and at the time seems like a huge overpay considering we have exceptions that could easily net us good players on overpaid contracts if we just add a draft pick.
Right now this TPE isn't that useful but if we had our own pick we could probably net John Henson from the bucks or some other agile rim protector.

And I honestly think draft picks are valuable to contenders that are just a piece from being perfect, for example GSW picked Green 5th @ 2nd round and Ezeli at 30th in the 1st round, Ibaka at 24 and other great players that I believe can contribute right away or situationaly in the right system and team so giving away alot of early 2nds shipping players with positive value and a pick to relieve cap space without checking all options frustrates me.
I'm really big fan and I find holes in our team that would have been easily fixed and put us as title favourites, I know I keep repeating this but I need to vent to keep sane but most people think is that we are all in, but we could have been all in and stil lretain important assets..

[yoyoboy]

I don't know. Personally I like Kyrie-Delly-LeBron-Love-Tristan. Shumpert might be able to replace Delly occasionally, but his lack of playmaking and shooting hurts, despite his defensive ability. And Love can't play center for too long without getting exposed on defense. Having both Tristan and Love in there attracts so much defensive attention, whether that be on the three point line attached to Love or on TT to stop him from gobbling up offensive boards. In these last 2 seasons, that lineup posts a 138 ORTG and an 89 DRTG.

It's weird though. The lineup of Kyrie-Delly-Shumpert-LeBron-Love that you posted has played a grand total of 6 minutes since the start of last season. In that tiny sample size, they posted a 120 ORTG and an 87 DRTG. I don't expect that defensive rating to remain stable over a larger sample, but why the hell do we not use that lineup more often for an offensive punch?

serious question, are you guys disappointed by our overpayment and the way we shipped Zeller and our 1st round pick to relieve the cap space for Lebron? I mean why just not ship Jarrett Jack to Minnesota instead? I'm sure they would agreed toinclude him in the deal for Wiggins.
Every move in retrospect and at the time seems like a huge overpay considering we have exceptions that could easily net us good players on overpaid contracts if we just add a draft pick.
Right now this TPE isn't that useful but if we had our own pick we could probably net John Henson from the bucks or some other agile rim protector.

And I honestly think draft picks are valuable to contenders that are just a piece from being perfect, for example GSW picked Green 5th @ 2nd round and Ezeli at 30th in the 1st round, Ibaka at 24 and other great players that I believe can contribute right away or situationaly in the right system and team so giving away alot of early 2nds shipping players with positive value and a pick to relieve cap space without checking all options frustrates me.
I'm really big fan and I find holes in our team that would have been easily fixed and put us as title favourites, I know I keep repeating this but I need to vent to keep sane but most people think is that we are all in, but we could have been all in and stil lretain important assets..

I'm not too mad about giving up Zeller, but I definitely think the first round pick was an overkill. We shouldn't have had to include the pick in the package, and it does suck considering the draft is how you add young talent to a contender and bolster the future. The Spurs' title window looked to be closing and then they added Kawhi with a mid first-rounder. Those picks can come in handy.

[KingKyrie1]

I don't know. Personally I like Kyrie-Delly-LeBron-Love-Tristan. Shumpert might be able to replace Delly occasionally, but his lack of playmaking and shooting hurts, despite his defensive ability. And Love can't play center for too long without getting exposed on defense. Having both Tristan and Love in there attracts so much defensive attention, whether that be on the three point line attached to Love or on TT to stop him from gobbling up offensive boards. In these last 2 seasons, that lineup posts a 138 ORTG and an 89 DRTG.

It's weird though. The lineup of Kyrie-Delly-Shumpert-LeBron-Love that you posted has played a grand total of 6 minutes since the start of last season. In that tiny sample size, they posted a 120 ORTG and an 87 DRTG. I don't expect that defensive rating to remain stable over a larger sample, but why the hell do we not use that lineup more often for an offensive punch?

serious question, are you guys disappointed by our overpayment and the way we shipped Zeller and our 1st round pick to relieve the cap space for Lebron? I mean why just not ship Jarrett Jack to Minnesota instead? I'm sure they would agreed toinclude him in the deal for Wiggins.
Every move in retrospect and at the time seems like a huge overpay considering we have exceptions that could easily net us good players on overpaid contracts if we just add a draft pick.
Right now this TPE isn't that useful but if we had our own pick we could probably net John Henson from the bucks or some other agile rim protector.

And I honestly think draft picks are valuable to contenders that are just a piece from being perfect, for example GSW picked Green 5th @ 2nd round and Ezeli at 30th in the 1st round, Ibaka at 24 and other great players that I believe can contribute right away or situationaly in the right system and team so giving away alot of early 2nds shipping players with positive value and a pick to relieve cap space without checking all options frustrates me.
I'm really big fan and I find holes in our team that would have been easily fixed and put us as title favourites, I know I keep repeating this but I need to vent to keep sane but most people think is that we are all in, but we could have been all in and stil lretain important assets..

I'm not too mad about giving up Zeller, but I definitely think the first round pick was an overkill. We shouldn't have had to include the pick in the package, and it does suck considering the draft is how you add young talent to a contender and bolster the future. The Spurs' title window looked to be closing and then they added Kawhi with a mid first-rounder. Those picks can come in handy.

I'm not that mad about Zeller as a player, more so as an asset, he was on a cheap contract, he has range and he would have made us seem less desperate to acquire a Center so we wouldn't have had to overpay for Mozgov like we did.
This Memphis pick will be a lottery pick, i'm certain and the Miami pick we added to acquire Love will probably be in the 17-22 range so that's a good place to pick a rotational player that we need.
And then we add our pick that we "traded" to add to the TPE now that's a perfect team,

I'm not really mad we traded Wiggins, not at all.. just that we gave too much and got too little aswell.
So we lost almost every trade by a big margin, the Dion Waiters trade was the saving grace though.

I have a problem, I just dwell too much on the past on these scenerios, it's driving me crazy man, could have been a perfect team.
It's like, I feel the Cavs are vulnerable, something is missing.

[TheOUTLAW]

serious question, are you guys disappointed by our overpayment and the way we shipped Zeller and our 1st round pick to relieve the cap space for Lebron? I mean why just not ship Jarrett Jack to Minnesota instead? I'm sure they would agreed toinclude him in the deal for Wiggins.
Every move in retrospect and at the time seems like a huge overpay considering we have exceptions that could easily net us good players on overpaid contracts if we just add a draft pick.
Right now this TPE isn't that useful but if we had our own pick we could probably net John Henson from the bucks or some other agile rim protector.

And I honestly think draft picks are valuable to contenders that are just a piece from being perfect, for example GSW picked Green 5th @ 2nd round and Ezeli at 30th in the 1st round, Ibaka at 24 and other great players that I believe can contribute right away or situationaly in the right system and team so giving away alot of early 2nds shipping players with positive value and a pick to relieve cap space without checking all options frustrates me.
I'm really big fan and I find holes in our team that would have been easily fixed and put us as title favourites, I know I keep repeating this but I need to vent to keep sane but most people think is that we are all in, but we could have been all in and stil lretain important assets..

I'm not too mad about giving up Zeller, but I definitely think the first round pick was an overkill. We shouldn't have had to include the pick in the package, and it does suck considering the draft is how you add young talent to a contender and bolster the future. The Spurs' title window looked to be closing and then they added Kawhi with a mid first-rounder. Those picks can come in handy.

I'm not that mad about Zeller as a player, more so as an asset, he was on a cheap contract, he has range and he would have made us seem less desperate to acquire a Center so we wouldn't have had to overpay for Mozgov like we did.
This Memphis pick will be a lottery pick, i'm certain and the Miami pick we added to acquire Love will probably be in the 17-22 range so that's a good place to pick a rotational player that we need.
And then we add our pick that we "traded" to add to the TPE now that's a perfect team,

I'm not really mad we traded Wiggins, not at all.. just that we gave too much and got too little aswell.
So we lost almost every trade by a big margin, the Dion Waiters trade was the saving grace though.

I have a problem, I just dwell too much on the past on these scenerios, it's driving me crazy man, could have been a perfect team.
It's like, I feel the Cavs are vulnerable, something is missing.

I think you are overvaluing what we gave up. not to mention you seem to be saying the exact thing in every post. You can't get a mulligan, it is what it is no matter how much you mention it.

[KingKyrie1]

I'm not too mad about giving up Zeller, but I definitely think the first round pick was an overkill. We shouldn't have had to include the pick in the package, and it does suck considering the draft is how you add young talent to a contender and bolster the future. The Spurs' title window looked to be closing and then they added Kawhi with a mid first-rounder. Those picks can come in handy.

I'm not that mad about Zeller as a player, more so as an asset, he was on a cheap contract, he has range and he would have made us seem less desperate to acquire a Center so we wouldn't have had to overpay for Mozgov like we did.
This Memphis pick will be a lottery pick, i'm certain and the Miami pick we added to acquire Love will probably be in the 17-22 range so that's a good place to pick a rotational player that we need.
And then we add our pick that we "traded" to add to the TPE now that's a perfect team,

I'm not really mad we traded Wiggins, not at all.. just that we gave too much and got too little aswell.
So we lost almost every trade by a big margin, the Dion Waiters trade was the saving grace though.

I have a problem, I just dwell too much on the past on these scenerios, it's driving me crazy man, could have been a perfect team.
It's like, I feel the Cavs are vulnerable, something is missing.

I think you are overvaluing what we gave up. not to mention you seem to be saying the exact thing in every post. You can't get a mulligan, it is what it is no matter how much you mention it.

I know man, i'm sorry that I keep saying the exact same thing.
it's **** up.

[mjj0062]

C - TT
PF - Lebron
SF - Shump
SG - JR
PG - Kyrie

I love this lineup. Blatt played it last game vs the Wizards. The overall team quickness and speed is insane, I bet it will turn out to be elite on defense to if given a big enough sample size.

[big_ticket]

hi guys,just watched lebron vs the 76ers,looks like he got his hops back...

[KingKyrie1]

He hasn't lost his hops but he his 1st step is slower the last couple years.

[yoyoboy]

hi guys,just watched lebron vs the 76ers,looks like he got his hops back...

When he wants to he can get up nearly as high as he's ever been able to get up. His end-to-end court speed is still insane. And of course he's still as strong as an ox. The only major physical differences I see between young LeBron and current LeBron are his endurance and his quickness. His first step isn't quite as explosive as it used to be, meaning he can't really blow by defenders as easily, and he also doesn't have the energy to give 110% every game without breaking a sweat like he did during his first stint here.

His jump shot was on point last night. I'm really hoping it's a sign that it's here to stay, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he reverted back to shooting 20% from three and 60% from the line by next week.

[FrontPageNews]

When moz is playing right I love this lineup

Kyrie
JR
Shump
Bron
Moz


It gives us so much defensive versatility as long as Lebron is locked in. He's our best 4 by far. When he wants he's our best rebounder and probably our best rim protector. Then Shump stripping the ball and on the other side Kyrie and JR can hit anything.

[big_ticket]

on point guys,if lebron decide to attack the rim no one cant stop the L-train haha,
i watched bron since his rookie year but damn we have a very unique player..maybe one of the best not named MJ

[miltk]

lebron has to shed his ego to maintain his 27pp. he has love and irving, he doesn't need to drop 27 on anyone.

have lebron concentrate on D and STOP draymond at all costs, put their best defender on curry or thompson (although i think curry is unstoppable so maybe just stay on thompson), let curry get his 40 which he will get anyway, and let the rest(ie irving and love) do the rest.

i think smith will find a way to f**k up so keep a close eye on him and be ready with the hook.

ultimately it's all on lebron changing his game

[anatomicbomb]

Now that the trade deadline has passed and most of the anticipated end-of-season veteran signings are out of the way, here's the lineup I like for the Cavaliers:

Starters
5 - Frye
4 - Love
3 - James
2 - Shumpert
1 - Irving

They can play LebronBall more easily than the current starting unit, because Shumpert and Frye are reliable on both ends, and don't need the ball to stay focused and ready. Additionally, in Frye, you get a 5 that can play outside, making him better than Mozgov at LebronBall, and you also get more size than playing another guard, so Love doesn't have to slide to the 5 (it's icky). Frye and Shumpert don't have the best 3-point shooting numbers over their careers, but with the space, passing, and timing of James and Irving, they should be getting excellent looks at the basket. Late game, they can consider bringing in Williams (when he comes back) at the 2, for more ball handling skill and better decision making than Shumpert.

Bench
5 - Mozgov
4 - Thompson
3 - Jefferson
2 - Smith
1 - Dellavedova

This unit plays different sets on offense than the starters: Running offense through the low and mid post, with weak-side dives and lots of offensive rebounding. By coming off the bench, Smith's frenetic energy can affect the rhythm of the game, helping him to create offense when the primary breaks down, and on second-shot opportunities. Dellavedova can decide how the ball gets to the post, and feed off Smith's energy on both ends. Mozgov and Thompson can freely use their fouls on defense, and bully weaker second-string frontcourts on offense. Jones can fill in wing minutes here and there. If Williams can return at 100%, he can run the second unit at the 1, giving it more offensive punch and dynamism (assuming he's able to return at 100%) than with Dellavedova.

[wilt chamberlin]

irving
smith
james
love
thompson!

[DrmmondFTCoach]

LeBron
Delly
Delly
Delly
Delly

And 3 delly refs

[Rastas]

LeBron
Delly
Delly
Delly
Delly

And 3 delly refs

Can we trade a couple of Delly's in for 1 extra Lebron?