Where does LeBron's finals performance rank?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:06 pm
I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
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ninjamilk23 wrote:I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
BMatt07 wrote:It's way up there.
LeBron in the Finals this year lead all players on both teams in all five major statistical categories (points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.)
For comparisons sake, that has NEVER happened in NBA playoff history. LeBron just became the first player to do it, while coming back from a 3-1 series deficit.
That'll most likely never happen again.
ninjamilk23 wrote:I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
yoyoboy wrote:I'm biased so of course I'm going number one, but it's really not a stretch. The last 3 games of the Finals, with his back against the wall, he posted 36 ppg, 12 rpg, 10 apg, 3 spg, and 3 bpg, while shooting on 58.5% TS. That's in 3 straight elimination games, 2 on the road, against a 73-win team. And he managed to lead the Cavs to 3 straight wins...
Pennebaker wrote:ninjamilk23 wrote:I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
I don't have a link, but according to Real GM stats LeBron's finals PER was 33.4. The highest of his career. As a gauge, the highest of Michael Jordan's career was 34.1.
But neither LeBron or Jordan can match the two best Finals PERs of Shaquille O'Neal. 38.5 and 36.6. (Shaq might be a little bit underrated.)
These are the top 4 Finals PER marks of the last 30 some odd years.
ccameron wrote:Pennebaker wrote:ninjamilk23 wrote:I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
I don't have a link, but according to Real GM stats LeBron's finals PER was 33.4. The highest of his career. As a gauge, the highest of Michael Jordan's career was 34.1.
But neither LeBron or Jordan can match the two best Finals PERs of Shaquille O'Neal. 38.5 and 36.6. (Shaq might be a little bit underrated.)
These are the top 4 Finals PER marks of the last 30 some odd years.
You forgot Wade 2006 PER 33.8. Wade 2006 vs Lebron 2016 is a really interesting comparison. Both behind by 2 games (Cavs 1-3, Heat 0-2). Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder.
Wade: 34.7 points on 47%/7.8 rebounds/3.8 assists/2.7 steals /1.0 blocks (33.8 PER)
Lebron: 29.7 points on 49%/11.3 rebounds/8.9 assists/2.6 steals/2.3 blocks (33.4 PER)
Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder. Also, despite the fact that Wade's PER is slightly higher, I think Lebron's stats are more impressive, and leading in all the major statistical categories is absolutely crazy. But just as crazy is that the second leading scorer on the Heat in 2006 was Antoine Walker at 13.8 points (Shaq only averaged 13.7 points) -- Wade averaged 21 more points than the next leading scorer on his team, whereas Lebron had Kyrie playing out of his mind. So both Lebron and Wade shouldered a enormous loads in different ways.
I'm a huge Wade fan and I rank Wade's '06 finals as one of the greatest all time, but I'm not sure Lebron doesn't take this. It's definitely up there.
ninjamilk23 wrote:I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
NuggetsWY wrote:I've been a serious fan of the NBA since 1967. I don't care what the PER is or any other statistic. Leading the team back from a 3-1 deficit against the previous world champions leaves no doubt in my mind that this was the #1 performance of all time.
ccameron wrote:Pennebaker wrote:ninjamilk23 wrote:I'm having trouble finding the most accurate finals PER. Can anyone provide an accurate link where LeBron's 2016 performance rank as far a PER.
I don't have a link, but according to Real GM stats LeBron's finals PER was 33.4. The highest of his career. As a gauge, the highest of Michael Jordan's career was 34.1.
But neither LeBron or Jordan can match the two best Finals PERs of Shaquille O'Neal. 38.5 and 36.6. (Shaq might be a little bit underrated.)
These are the top 4 Finals PER marks of the last 30 some odd years.
You forgot Wade 2006 PER 33.8. Wade 2006 vs Lebron 2016 is a really interesting comparison. Both behind by 2 games (Cavs 1-3, Heat 0-2). Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder.
Wade: 34.7 points on 47%/7.8 rebounds/3.8 assists/2.7 steals /1.0 blocks (33.8 PER)
Lebron: 29.7 points on 49%/11.3 rebounds/8.9 assists/2.6 steals/2.3 blocks (33.4 PER)
Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder. Also, despite the fact that Wade's PER is slightly higher, I think Lebron's stats are more impressive, and leading in all the major statistical categories is absolutely crazy. But just as crazy is that the second leading scorer on the Heat in 2006 was Antoine Walker at 13.8 points (Shaq only averaged 13.7 points) -- Wade averaged 21 more points than the next leading scorer on his team, whereas Lebron had Kyrie playing out of his mind. So both Lebron and Wade shouldered a enormous loads in different ways.
I'm a huge Wade fan and I rank Wade's '06 finals as one of the greatest all time, but I'm not sure Lebron doesn't take this. It's definitely up there.
Pennebaker wrote:ccameron wrote:Pennebaker wrote:
I don't have a link, but according to Real GM stats LeBron's finals PER was 33.4. The highest of his career. As a gauge, the highest of Michael Jordan's career was 34.1.
But neither LeBron or Jordan can match the two best Finals PERs of Shaquille O'Neal. 38.5 and 36.6. (Shaq might be a little bit underrated.)
These are the top 4 Finals PER marks of the last 30 some odd years.
You forgot Wade 2006 PER 33.8. Wade 2006 vs Lebron 2016 is a really interesting comparison. Both behind by 2 games (Cavs 1-3, Heat 0-2). Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder.
Wade: 34.7 points on 47%/7.8 rebounds/3.8 assists/2.7 steals /1.0 blocks (33.8 PER)
Lebron: 29.7 points on 49%/11.3 rebounds/8.9 assists/2.6 steals/2.3 blocks (33.4 PER)
Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder. Also, despite the fact that Wade's PER is slightly higher, I think Lebron's stats are more impressive, and leading in all the major statistical categories is absolutely crazy. But just as crazy is that the second leading scorer on the Heat in 2006 was Antoine Walker at 13.8 points (Shaq only averaged 13.7 points) -- Wade averaged 21 more points than the next leading scorer on his team, whereas Lebron had Kyrie playing out of his mind. So both Lebron and Wade shouldered a enormous loads in different ways.
I'm a huge Wade fan and I rank Wade's '06 finals as one of the greatest all time, but I'm not sure Lebron doesn't take this. It's definitely up there.
Well according to Real GM Wade's Finals PER in 2005-2006 was 30.5. Where did you get 33.8?
One can give LeBron the nod simply because he had less hall-of-fame help. Tyron Lue is not Pat Riley. He didn't have Hall of Fame veterans like a Shaq or a Zo or The Glove to lean on. We don't even have to measure performance.
ccameron wrote:Pennebaker wrote:ccameron wrote:
You forgot Wade 2006 PER 33.8. Wade 2006 vs Lebron 2016 is a really interesting comparison. Both behind by 2 games (Cavs 1-3, Heat 0-2). Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder.
Wade: 34.7 points on 47%/7.8 rebounds/3.8 assists/2.7 steals /1.0 blocks (33.8 PER)
Lebron: 29.7 points on 49%/11.3 rebounds/8.9 assists/2.6 steals/2.3 blocks (33.4 PER)
Being down 0-2 is daunting, but facing elimination is harder. Also, despite the fact that Wade's PER is slightly higher, I think Lebron's stats are more impressive, and leading in all the major statistical categories is absolutely crazy. But just as crazy is that the second leading scorer on the Heat in 2006 was Antoine Walker at 13.8 points (Shaq only averaged 13.7 points) -- Wade averaged 21 more points than the next leading scorer on his team, whereas Lebron had Kyrie playing out of his mind. So both Lebron and Wade shouldered a enormous loads in different ways.
I'm a huge Wade fan and I rank Wade's '06 finals as one of the greatest all time, but I'm not sure Lebron doesn't take this. It's definitely up there.
Well according to Real GM Wade's Finals PER in 2005-2006 was 30.5. Where did you get 33.8?
One can give LeBron the nod simply because he had less hall-of-fame help. Tyron Lue is not Pat Riley. He didn't have Hall of Fame veterans like a Shaq or a Zo or The Glove to lean on. We don't even have to measure performance.
I got it from here:
http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, but I think if we are talking about who had more help, the Hall of fame players on 2006 were well past their prime, and didn't really show up in the finals. Wade arguably had less help in that series than Lebron. Perfomance wise I can se Lebron getting the nod, but not based on the narrative of having less help.