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Trade Ideas (Part III)

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1161 » by substancej » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:09 pm

I think we have to come to terms with the fact that Sexton is both a great player and not a fit for the rebuild. In my opinion the front office should do him a favor and trade him to a team where he can be a starting point guard instead of a potential 6th man. I don't think it's fair to him or KPJ to keep both around. Of course this idea is completely negated if Garland ends up being a bust.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1162 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 5:44 pm

substancej wrote:I think we have to come to terms with the fact that Sexton is both a great player and not a fit for the rebuild. In my opinion the front office should do him a favor and trade him to a team where he can be a starting point guard instead of a potential 6th man. I don't think it's fair to him or KPJ to keep both around. Of course this idea is completely negated if Garland ends up being a bust.


Yeah, it's way, way to early to make any moves like this. We don't know if any of the guys we drafted can play in the NBA. Also, Fox made a big jump his second year. We don't know whether Sexton will ultimately end up being the better player.

Finally, the Cavs shouldn't be trading anyone because of fairness. Having a really good sixth man on a rookie-scale contract is valuable. You only trade any of them because a team like Orlando wants to swap young front court help for young back court help.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1163 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:37 am

Some pretty serious on/off numbers for Love last year.

https://www.fearthesword.com/2019/7/11/20690250/kevin-love-possible-trade-cleveland-cavaliers

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1164 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:22 pm

There's a rumor that were trying to get Steven Adams. I'm pretty meh on the idea. I can live with we're only trading expiring contracts (not JR). But we better not be one of these dumb teams that sends picks to OKC for guys who looked like they were out of gas last year.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1165 » by Stillwater » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 pm

jbk1234 wrote:There's a rumor that were trying to get Steven Adams. I'm pretty meh on the idea. I can live with we're only trading expiring contracts (not JR). But we better not be one of these dumb teams that sends picks to OKC for guys who looked like they were out of gas last year.

I mean if all OKC wants is salary space than the only deal with CLE that makes sense is
Smith and Henson for Adams no picks involved.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1166 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:27 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:There's a rumor that were trying to get Steven Adams. I'm pretty meh on the idea. I can live with we're only trading expiring contracts (not JR). But we better not be one of these dumb teams that sends picks to OKC for guys who looked like they were out of gas last year.

I mean if all OKC wants is salary space than the only deal with CLE that makes sense is
Smith and Henson for Adams no picks involved.


Even giving up Smith is stupid IMO. We're going to be a repeater tax team so we can land an old school center coming off a bad year at $27M per? We're doing them a favor by getting them out of the second year of his deal. Also, OKC is rebuilding now. It's worth asking, if they don't want him, why not, and why should a rebuilding Cavs team want him? We're not four years into a rebuild here.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1167 » by Stillwater » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:35 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:There's a rumor that were trying to get Steven Adams. I'm pretty meh on the idea. I can live with we're only trading expiring contracts (not JR). But we better not be one of these dumb teams that sends picks to OKC for guys who looked like they were out of gas last year.

I mean if all OKC wants is salary space than the only deal with CLE that makes sense is
Smith and Henson for Adams no picks involved.


Even giving up Smith is stupid IMO. We're going to be a repeater tax team so we can land an old school center coming off a bad year at $27M per? We're doing them a favor by getting them out of the second year of his deal. Also, OKC is rebuilding now. It's worth asking, if they don't want him, why not, and why should a rebuilding Cavs team want him? We're not four years into a rebuild here.

Makes sense to me... I don't really know what all they plan to do to get back under the tax as the season goes on if they move Smith at this point, but it's pretty obvious they were not willing to eat bad contracts for meh picks.
Depends on what they think of Adams. Is he fast enough for the pace we will use? doubtful.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1168 » by Richfield » Sat Aug 3, 2019 3:18 pm

Question:

Is Brandon Knight tradable?

Which type of teams would want him? Contenders with backup guard needs? Salary dumps? Other?

What could Cavs acquire in return?

Expiring contract 15.6M

2018-2019 Season:

23 mpg
45% 2pt
37% 3pt
50% eFG
78% ft
2 rpg
2.3 apg
0.7 spg
1 topg
8.5 ppg
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1169 » by Richfield » Sat Aug 3, 2019 3:24 pm

I think it will be an interesting trade deadline season for the Cavaliers.

Lots of expiring contracts. Many of which still have clear basketball value. Lots of teams trying to get an edge in a wide open playoff race. New contenders. Nobody sure what will happen in the West. No clear favorite in either conference.

Cavs with some vets with playoff experience, should be able to cash in a little bit, no?
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1170 » by Revenged25 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 5:05 pm

I think Knight could be used to take on a salary dump + asset. I think Clarkson will get moved to a contender to be a 6th man on their playoff run and we end up taking back a salary dump + better asset.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1171 » by jbk1234 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 5:54 pm

I think people are going to be disappointed in what, if anything, expiring contracts return this season. There are more expiring contracts available league-wide than good players heading for F.A. in 2020. The Knicks and Hornets are going to be looking to do the same thing. You're going to have to take on a really bad contract that runs through 2021 and I have mixed feelings about doing that to say the least.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1172 » by Richfield » Sat Aug 3, 2019 7:13 pm

Revenged25 wrote:I think Knight could be used to take on a salary dump + asset. I think Clarkson will get moved to a contender to be a 6th man on their playoff run and we end up taking back a salary dump + better asset.


Lets call it a middle to late first rounder for Clarkson to the team that needs that microwave scoring bump (with defense).
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1173 » by Stillwater » Sat Aug 3, 2019 7:46 pm

Unless they think they will have to overpay to keep him next summer, I don't think CLE gets an offer they like for JC at the DL assuming his role is lessoned this season. I think they will try to retain him.
It's a crapshoot what Beilein focus' on I mean you cannot build up trade values of expiring's and still develop young talent all at the same time at least not while expecting to build any chemistry for the players considered part of any long term plan.

If they were going to move JC they could have done it this summer when his value was up and if those offers were bad they will be worse at the dl...
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1174 » by jbk1234 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:11 am

Richfield wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:I think Knight could be used to take on a salary dump + asset. I think Clarkson will get moved to a contender to be a 6th man on their playoff run and we end up taking back a salary dump + better asset.


Lets call it a middle to late first rounder for Clarkson to the team that needs that microwave scoring bump (with defense).
I think people are overrating what Clarkson and TT will bring back in a trade. If we get a good second round pick and an expiring contract, we need to take it. Nobody is looking for cap space next summer and I hope we don't take back deals that run into 2021 in order to get a late first.

TT and Clarkson are both solid, even good, role players who are making about 150-200% of their market value. No one is trading a good asset for the right to pay them next summer. If they weren't on expiring contracts, we'd probably have to attach an asset to move them.

If they could've been moved for cap space this summer, they probably would have been. Both the Knicks and Kings had cap space to take TT and they went in another direction. The Cavs cutting JR is likely related to how soft the market was for TT and Clarkson.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1175 » by Stillwater » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:40 pm

I'd like to think there is a good chance somebody will be calling for 1 or both of them due to their own rosters injuries or lack of depth ,and a late first might not be worth as much as a early 2nd for the team needing one of these players... depends on desire to get guaranteed contracts off their books too. So it's not entirely out of the question. I could also see scenarios where they take back a longer contract role player sf/pf defender as compensation attached to a expiring
but I agree the odds are not great the returns will be substantial to the point they may remain in the Cavs plans long term even though the odds either want to return are slim given the Klutch representation will try to get them more $ than CLE will or at least should dish out.
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