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Trade Ideas (Part III)

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1441 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jan 2, 2021 6:18 pm

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:What about trading Drummond for Westbrook?

Westbrook and Love could be a good tandem.
Lol, no. The Cavs are set at guard and there's no way we're eating all that salary for free.


Heh, the assumption has been the opposite that we'd be dealing Kevin to join Russ somewhere, I'm just not sure what would work out salary-wise with the Wizards unless they do entertain trading Beal and then perhaps Love could come back to them in a 3-way.


I would so not take back Wiggins for Love, and as that would be the likely framework, I don't have much interest. Kevin needs to get healthy, get on the court, and be provided an opportunity to be a significant part of the offense. The 2021 FA class could be a real stinker and so long as he has a good season, Love will have trade value this summer to a team that can't afford to wait.
It is highly unlikely that the Cavs will agree with your Kevin Love evaluation for the purpose of a trade.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1442 » by Stillwater » Sat Jan 2, 2021 11:18 pm

I cant see KLove getting moved for what he is worth to CLE at all. I think he either stays full deal or is " done a favor" and sent to somewhere he wants for an expiring and a meh pick or two
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1443 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:45 pm

Wonder what you will be able to get for Kevin Porter after this news broke...
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1444 » by mg » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:46 pm

Welp @jbk sadly it does look like KPJ is on the chopping block/trade block per Vardon's tweet today. Sad to say but Fedor is just a mouthpiece for the team and has zero inside info. With that said I hope the young man gets his life together. He has so much natural talent but just has maturity issues at this point.

I still believe in him but he might have to land with an org who has veteran leaders and who can be patient with the kid. We have too many 20 year olds on this team and are still trying to set a culture so not a good fit at this point (sadly).
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1445 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:47 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Wonder what you will be able to get for Kevin Porter after this news broke...


To put it charitably, Vardon is a bit of a sensationalist so I'm not entirely sure I believe they've reached that point. Hopefully, this is just double secret probation.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1446 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:34 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Wonder what you will be able to get for Kevin Porter after this news broke...


To put it charitably, Vardon is a bit of a sensationalist so I'm not entirely sure I believe they've reached that point. Hopefully, this is just double secret probation.


Jason Lloyd is reporting KPJ went off in the locker room when he found out his locker had been moved and they're trying to trade him. So double secret probation has been spent ... it appears.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1447 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:48 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Wonder what you will be able to get for Kevin Porter after this news broke...


To put it charitably, Vardon is a bit of a sensationalist so I'm not entirely sure I believe they've reached that point. Hopefully, this is just double secret probation.


Jason Lloyd is reporting KPJ went off in the locker room when he found out his locker had been moved and they're trying to trade him. So double secret probation has been spent ... it appears.


I updated the reporting in the other thread.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1448 » by Stillwater » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:10 pm

There are a few scenarios where I can see somebody taking a chance on him esp teams on the West coast closer to his home network which he really seems to need imo. Portland as part of a Javale trade for either Collins or just KPJ straight up for Nassir Little would seem possible.
Some other possibilities might be to LAL with a 2nd rounder for THT where he would have a lot of help from Lebrons camp to get him inline.
more likely scenarios :
GSW could send the expiring of Chriss who is out for the season and the GSW 22 2nd.
Miami sends KZ Okpala straight up or maybe Cavs have to throw in a future 2nd.
Boston for their 21 2nd and the draft right to Yam Mader.
To BKN for Reggie Perry
To Denver for PJ Dozier
To PHO for Tyshon Alexander and Naders expiring
To IND for Cassius Stanley
To NOP for the Cavs own 21 2nd rights returned
and there is obviously also the possibility he is waived at which point I will turn my back on the Cavs as that would be the worse thing that could happen given how patient they have been with him and how much potential he has.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1449 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:33 pm

We'll be lucky not to have to give up assets to trade Kevin at this point. The arrest, the gun charge, the weed, the outburst a the hotel, whatever has happened that hasn't been leaked, and what has including his problems at USC that caused him to drop in the first place.

If his talent was otherworldly, that would be one thing ... but he had like 3 games worth talking about last season and wracked up a ton of negative minutes which is typical of a a player with a high-volume playstyle that lacks talent/experience.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1450 » by Stillwater » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:38 pm

JonFromVA wrote:We'll be lucky not to have to give up assets to trade Kevin at this point. The arrest, the gun charge, the weed, the outburst a the hotel, whatever has happened that hasn't been leaked, and what has including his problems at USC that caused him to drop in the first place.

If his talent was otherworldly, that would be one thing ... but he had like 3 games worth talking about last season and wracked up a ton of negative minutes which is typical of a a player with a high-volume playstyle that lacks talent/experience.

You are throwing him under the bus wow why am not surprised you have the outlook that its all his fault smh
imo the org failed him as much as he failed himself.
They might not get much for him, but thats a given thanks to the way this has been handled.
There is no way he isnt worth at least those players or picks I have listed the post before yours even knowing the off court issues most of which were thrown out and or dismissed as bs .
Its just another case of he said she said on the punching a woman story which I am inclined to think is somebody trying to get hush $.
I hope you can understand that blaming KPJ which is what you are doing is probably not a good practice without knowing the facts.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1451 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:45 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:We'll be lucky not to have to give up assets to trade Kevin at this point. The arrest, the gun charge, the weed, the outburst a the hotel, whatever has happened that hasn't been leaked, and what has including his problems at USC that caused him to drop in the first place.

If his talent was otherworldly, that would be one thing ... but he had like 3 games worth talking about last season and wracked up a ton of negative minutes which is typical of a a player with a high-volume playstyle that lacks talent/experience.

You are throwing him under the bus wow why am not surprised you have the outlook that its all his fault smh
imo the org failed him as much as he failed himself.
They might not get much for him, but thats a given thanks to the way this has been handled.
There is no way he isnt worth at least those players or picks I have listed the post before yours even knowing the off court issues most of which were thrown out and or dismissed as bs .
Its just another case of he said she said on the punching a woman story which I am inclined to think is somebody trying to get hush $.
I hope you can understand that blaming KPJ which is what you are doing is probably not a good practice without knowing the facts.


I know way too many facts.

Dude was blessed to make it to the NBA and be offered a job that could have left his family rich for generations.

The things he's done are not acceptable. He's thrown himself under the bus, and while it doesn't matter what you or I think, the sooner he realizes, the sooner maybe he can get some help and straighten out his life.

Unfortunately, some people have to hit rock bottom to figure things out, and others never do.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1452 » by Harper4Ferry? » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:00 am

Porter/Prince/Drummond to Charlotte for Rozier/Zeller/Monk maybe? Prince and Rozier kinda offset each other next season. They could probably use Dre. We open up a spot for Allen. Zeller/Monk both expiring, Porter kind of in whatever ever land now.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1453 » by Stillwater » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 am

Harper4Ferry? wrote:Porter/Prince/Drummond to Charlotte for Rozier/Zeller/Monk maybe? Prince and Rozier kinda offset each other next season. They could probably use Dre. We open up a spot for Allen. Zeller/Monk both expiring, Porter kind of in whatever ever land now.

I dont see them waiting to make any deal. They have to be able to include him in a deal with players that can be traded this week imo and unless I missed something they cant trade Prince right away.
I am looking at the Portland deal as the best case with Mcgee tbh they need a iso scorer with CJ hurt and they need a better rim protector than Kanter + Nurk is injured AND Carmelo has been mentoring KPJ this offseason apparently etc.
Just seems like the inevitable given he would also be very close to home after the deal too.
I would def consider it if they will part with Collins and a 2nd. but would just take Little for KPJ if they dont want Javale
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1454 » by Stillwater » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:30 am

If they move him alone I could see NY having interest in taking a flier in exchange either the Cha or the Detroit 21 2nd they own to prevent him from joining a different roster after being wavied. I think the Cavs should jump on any early 21 2nd pick offers imo if no decent player returns are offered.
I also do think the Nets are a reasonable landing spot where he would be less likely to be disgruntled behind 3 superstars etc. and relish the idea of backing them up. They could offer CLE the rights to the ATL 21 2nd but they also have some players the Cavs would want in either Reggie Perry a nice rookie PF or maybe the Cavs can add yet another center in Claxton given Dre and Javale are gone next summer anyway.
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