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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1241 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 12:05 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Cook and McKinnie were waived. There may be a trade incoming.

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No other reason to waive McKinnie who it's reported the Cavs want to resign if he clears waivers.
I mean there's really no reason to waive either one. We saved a couple million with the Clarkson trade.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1242 » by Stillwater » Tue Jan 7, 2020 7:00 am

Also just added another guard from Canton to the briefly available two way spot ... Maybe they are trading Garland and Sexton after Exums break out game lol that's about as much as they had to go on with Garland. I actually wouldn't be surprised if one did get traded esp if they won't trade love for salary relief and 2nds
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1243 » by gflem » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:08 pm

Wiretap is saying that the Pels may be looking for vet help. TT would be a great fit there. They definitely have the draft assets I would be looking for if I were the Cavs GM.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1244 » by Stillwater » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:12 am

gflem wrote:Wiretap is saying that the Pels may be looking for vet help. TT would be a great fit there. They definitely have the draft assets I would be looking for if I were the Cavs GM.
Edit:typo

I guess TT could make some sense but Favors is back and Hayes is doing pretty good down there as a rook and is the future at the 5 for them. Maybe Griff would want to bring in TT for that vet leader presence if he is delusional enough to think he can make them a "good" playoff team this season. I don't doubt TT could help them get to the playoffs but they'd be facing a 1 or 2 seed and would not be playing long. I dont buy Griff would give up enough either in that scenario...but hey one could only hope
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1245 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:08 am

Or maybe Henson is being held on the bench because he's about to be traded or there's actual interest in Zizic and he's being showcased. Dunno what's going on but guys previously buried on the bench are stepping in and helping.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1246 » by snowman » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:59 pm

Would you guys be willing to give up either of Sexton or Garland if you could move Love to Boston for Hayward and a vet backup point guard?
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1247 » by Revenged25 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:01 pm

snowman wrote:Would you guys be willing to give up either of Sexton or Garland if you could move Love to Boston for Hayward and a vet backup point guard?


How many 1sts are Bos adding in as well?
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1248 » by snowman » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:05 pm

possibly 1, Bucks 2020 1st. Just a thought
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1249 » by Revenged25 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:11 pm

snowman wrote:possibly 1, Bucks 2020 1st. Just a thought


Not even close. I'm guessing you see Love as a negative asset, Cavs don't. So I could see a possible Love for Hayward swap working, but they aren't going to be attaching value of any kind to Love in a trade. Sending out Garland/Sexton along with Love would mean they are getting a lot better assets in return.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1250 » by gflem » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:54 pm

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snowman wrote:possibly 1, Bucks 2020 1st. Just a thought


Not even close. I'm guessing you see Love as a negative asset, Cavs don't. So I could see a possible Love for Hayward swap working, but they aren't going to be attaching value of any kind to Love in a trade. Sending out Garland/Sexton along with Love would mean they are getting a lot better assets in return.

Yeah, the Bucks pick doesn't move the needle for me. And, it would be Sexton in that type of deal not Garland imo. Don't really care if we get a vet pg, we already have two on the roster.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1251 » by Stillwater » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:22 pm

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snowman wrote:possibly 1, Bucks 2020 1st. Just a thought


Not even close. I'm guessing you see Love as a negative asset, Cavs don't. So I could see a possible Love for Hayward swap working, but they aren't going to be attaching value of any kind to Love in a trade. Sending out Garland/Sexton along with Love would mean they are getting a lot better assets in return.

Yeah, the Bucks pick doesn't move the needle for me. And, it would be Sexton in that type of deal not Garland imo. Don't really care if we get a vet pg, we already have two on the roster.

almost a negative chance Koby ever deals with Dannyboy again tbh
Hayward has his good and bad but I think Boston is fine with him for now, and really don't need a KLove type player. What they need is Giannis to go west
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1252 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:29 pm

snowman wrote:Would you guys be willing to give up either of Sexton or Garland if you could move Love to Boston for Hayward and a vet backup point guard?


First off, Garland is unavailable. He's literally the only player on the roster who the Cavs have proclaimed is unavailable.

There is zero chance the Cavs attach value to Love to move him. They have plenty of cap space and he's the best player we can presently put on the court. We'll play the long game if it comes to that. Also the Cavs currently have three vet PGs on the roster and Exum is under contract for next season as well. If you're talking about Wanamaker just leave him out altogether, cut him, do whatever you want, but don't send him back here.

If Boston wanted to trade Love for Hayward straight up, and the Cavs could get value for Hayward from a third team, I'd be intrigued. But Hayward would opt out this summer with the quickness if he were on a rebuilding roster.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1253 » by snowman » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:33 pm

Thanks for the comments guys, I appreciate it. Maybe we can trade ideas on something else later on. Good luck guys.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1254 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:18 am

I feel like I'm going to be angry if TT is still on the roster after the deadline. It won't necessarily be his fault but I really want there to be a zero percent chance that we hand him a big contract this summer. He's strictly a small ball 5 and you can't pay guys like that the money he wants. Also, we need more rim protection than he offers. The reality is that between Garland and Love, you need a center who can really keep opposing teams honest at the rim. This is before you even get into his offensive limitations. I've just really soured on retaining him after that report came out stating that he wants a max to stay.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1255 » by Stillwater » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:57 pm

Given the odds Love are traded before this summer are looking a bit unlikely, I think they will force the issue and take a similar package for TT as they got for JC.
If they do decide to keep him for his leadership then Love probably got moved this week .
I would think somebody would give up a late first for TT that the Cavs could then add to an outgoing Love so they can at least get a rotation player back.but I think that's only if behind closed doors he's forcing a trade.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1256 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:28 pm

Let's be honest, if a player like TT is asking for max money to stay, he's requested a trade.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1257 » by Stillwater » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:26 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Let's be honest, if a player like TT is asking for max money to stay, he's requested a trade.

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Lol I meant if love is trying to force the issue not TT.
TT could easily get them a late first being an expiring not to mention it being a weaker than normal draft by the looks of it so far.
I do think Altman might take a couple 2nd instead just to get it done so they don't get left w nothing.
Keeping TT only makes sense is if he tests the market and realized all he will get is a reasonable deal not a Max.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1258 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:47 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Let's be honest, if a player like TT is asking for max money to stay, he's requested a trade.

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Lol I meant if love is trying to force the issue not TT.
TT could easily get them a late first being an expiring not to mention it being a weaker than normal draft by the looks of it so far.
I do think Altman might take a couple 2nd instead just to get it done so they don't get left w nothing.
Keeping TT only makes sense is if he tests the market and realized all he will get is a reasonable deal not a Max.
If it could be done easily, TT would be gone. We're playing out a string here.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1259 » by Stillwater » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:59 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Let's be honest, if a player like TT is asking for max money to stay, he's requested a trade.

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Lol I meant if love is trying to force the issue not TT.
TT could easily get them a late first being an expiring not to mention it being a weaker than normal draft by the looks of it so far.
I do think Altman might take a couple 2nd instead just to get it done so they don't get left w nothing.
Keeping TT only makes sense is if he tests the market and realized all he will get is a reasonable deal not a Max.
If it could be done easily, TT would be gone. We're playing out a string here.

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Too many 11th hour deadline deals take place to believe it's anything more than them being reluctant to trade him just yet but like I said he may take 2 2nds just to get it done this week or next since that's probably the most that been offered despite it not being the most teams would give up.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#1260 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:33 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Lol I meant if love is trying to force the issue not TT.
TT could easily get them a late first being an expiring not to mention it being a weaker than normal draft by the looks of it so far.
I do think Altman might take a couple 2nd instead just to get it done so they don't get left w nothing.
Keeping TT only makes sense is if he tests the market and realized all he will get is a reasonable deal not a Max.
If it could be done easily, TT would be gone. We're playing out a string here.

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Too many 11th hour deadline deals take place to believe it's anything more than them being reluctant to trade him just yet but like I said he may take 2 2nds just to get it done this week or next since that's probably the most that been offered despite it not being the most teams would give up.
I suspect other teams are reluctant to give up a first tbh. Any time you trade for a guy TT's age on an expiring contract, you always ask to speak with their agent re their next contract. Other teams probably view him as a rental.

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