Trade Ideas (Part III)

Stillwater · Post #981 » by **Stillwater** » Mon May 27, 2019 11:01 pm

I'm starting to think they are going to pull some rabbit out of a hat and trade TT and Smith this summer.

Revenged25 · Post #982 » by **Revenged25** » Mon May 27, 2019 11:41 pm

Stillwater wrote:I'm starting to think they are going to pull some rabbit out of a hat and trade TT and Smith this summer.

Well JR is a given, but TT is a little trickier. He's overpaid for sure, but he's still a very productive player that would probably get about 10-12 mil as FA. Maybe if a team like Sacremento strike out in FA for a center the Cavs could ship him out simply for cap space? Maybe not need to attach an asset and even if they do, they might be able to get away with just a 2nd at most, or even a swap of 2nds.

Stillwater · Post #983 » by **Stillwater** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:04 am

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:I'm starting to think they are going to pull some rabbit out of a hat and trade TT and Smith this summer.

Well JR is a given, but TT is a little trickier. He's overpaid for sure, but he's still a very productive player that would probably get about 10-12 mil as FA. Maybe if a team like Sacremento strike out in FA for a center the Cavs could ship him out simply for cap space? Maybe not need to attach an asset and even if they do, they might be able to get away with just a 2nd at most, or even a swap of 2nds.

I think TT is more appreciated than most think despite his contract, and really his contract is no longer an issue beinf ufa in 2020 if a team needs his services as a rental and has no intention of paying him nor would any other team the amount he made in CLE and could probably renegotiate a better 1 +1 or something with him if they wanted to keep him.
Not sure what they could get, but I bet a mid 1st is not out of the question if player(s) returning are deadweight or near end of rotation vets also ufa in 2020 that said trade team has no use for.

Post #984 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 31, 2019 4:50 pm

I don't see Altman making any major movers while Gilbert is recovering. I hadn't realized he was in the ICU.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nba/cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-owner-dan-gilbert-doing-as-well-as-he-can-be-after-stroke/95-336ab583-0d27-45d8-a390-c449eceb891d

JonFromVA · Post #985 » by **JonFromVA** » Fri May 31, 2019 7:07 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I don't see Altman making any major movers while Gilbert is recovering. I hadn't realized he was in the ICU.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nba/cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-owner-dan-gilbert-doing-as-well-as-he-can-be-after-stroke/95-336ab583-0d27-45d8-a390-c449eceb891d

We don't know enough.

For instance, Koby and Dan may have already discussed all the scenarios and reached some general agreement on approach to JR, the draft, free-agency, etc. Or maybe Dan has a contingency already in place to act on his behalf. Or Koby actually has authority. Or Dan is well enough to consider deals, etc, etc.

In any case, it should go better than that period last year when we didn't have a GM in place.

Post #986 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 31, 2019 7:14 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I don't see Altman making any major movers while Gilbert is recovering. I hadn't realized he was in the ICU.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nba/cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-owner-dan-gilbert-doing-as-well-as-he-can-be-after-stroke/95-336ab583-0d27-45d8-a390-c449eceb891d

We don't know enough.

For instance, Koby and Dan may have already discussed all the scenarios and reached some general agreement on approach to JR, the draft, free-agency, etc. Or maybe Dan has a contingency already in place to act on his behalf. Or Koby actually has authority. Or Dan is well enough to consider deals, etc, etc.

In any case, it should go better than that period last year when we didn't have a GM in place.

If you read the link, it sounds like Gilbert is on hiatus until further notice. So you're going to have a bunch of people who are going to be risk-adverse for fear that when he comes back, they'll be second guessed. Also, there's now zero chance that the Cavs re-enter the repeater tax as the minority owners presumably have more say with Gilbert out.

Mind_Odyssey · Post #987 » by **Mind_Odyssey** » Fri May 31, 2019 9:48 pm

I read a moronic trade of #5, Sexton, 26 for pick #3. It was too funny not to share.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838340-teams-that-should-trade-up-in-2019-nba-draft-for-dukes-rj-barrett#slide5

Stillwater · Post #988 » by **Stillwater** » Fri May 31, 2019 10:11 pm

The Gilbert situation is likely not going to change much as far as the scouting department is concerned or the information being fed to Coby, but if he cannot get Cohen to sign off on a trade it might be tricky... I think the overall feeling was RJ was the target before the tia/stroke symptoms or whatever happened to Gilbert, so it would not be that unusual for a trade to still take place if the end result was positive for the franchise. There isn't much chance at all imo that Gilbert's second doesn't have his best interest in mind regarding these things knowing he is always willing to shell out the money and for those under him to go against that theme if he is incapacitated at the time of the draft would actually be less likely.

Post #989 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:41 am

Stillwater wrote:The Gilbert situation is likely not going to change much as far as the scouting department is concerned or the information being fed to Coby, but if he cannot get Cohen to sign off on a trade it might be tricky... I think the overall feeling was RJ was the target before the tia/stroke symptoms or whatever happened to Gilbert, so it would not be that unusual for a trade to still take place if the end result was positive for the franchise. There isn't much chance at all imo that Gilbert's second doesn't have his best interest in mind regarding these things knowing he is always willing to shell out the money and for those under him to go against that theme if he is incapacitated at the time of the draft would actually be less likely.

It's usually the minority owners, who don't own casinos and mortgage companies, who take issue with shelling out the money.

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Post #990 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:51 am

Mind_Odyssey wrote:I read a moronic trade of #5, Sexton, 26 for pick #3. It was too funny not to share.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838340-teams-that-should-trade-up-in-2019-nba-draft-for-dukes-rj-barrett#slide5

Yeah, that's not a thing.

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JonFromVA · Post #991 » by **JonFromVA** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:11 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:The Gilbert situation is likely not going to change much as far as the scouting department is concerned or the information being fed to Coby, but if he cannot get Cohen to sign off on a trade it might be tricky... I think the overall feeling was RJ was the target before the tia/stroke symptoms or whatever happened to Gilbert, so it would not be that unusual for a trade to still take place if the end result was positive for the franchise. There isn't much chance at all imo that Gilbert's second doesn't have his best interest in mind regarding these things knowing he is always willing to shell out the money and for those under him to go against that theme if he is incapacitated at the time of the draft would actually be less likely.
It's usually the minority owners, who don't own casinos and mortgage companies, who take issue with shelling out the money.

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The minority owners don't gain power just because Dan is in a bed or even incapacitated. The controlling interest in the team still rests with the Gilbert family or their designated proxy.

Again we know little of what's already in place let alone Dan's condition. This could be a disaster or a blessing depending how prepared everyone is for dealing with this and who does or does not try to meddle.

Post #992 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:17 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:The Gilbert situation is likely not going to change much as far as the scouting department is concerned or the information being fed to Coby, but if he cannot get Cohen to sign off on a trade it might be tricky... I think the overall feeling was RJ was the target before the tia/stroke symptoms or whatever happened to Gilbert, so it would not be that unusual for a trade to still take place if the end result was positive for the franchise. There isn't much chance at all imo that Gilbert's second doesn't have his best interest in mind regarding these things knowing he is always willing to shell out the money and for those under him to go against that theme if he is incapacitated at the time of the draft would actually be less likely.
It's usually the minority owners, who don't own casinos and mortgage companies, who take issue with shelling out the money.

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The minority owners don't gain power just because Dan is in a bed or even incapacitated. The controlling interest in the team still rests with the Gilbert family or their designated proxy.

Again we know little of what's already in place let alone Dan's condition. This could be a disaster or a blessing depending how prepared everyone is for dealing with this and who does or does not try to meddle.

Part of the issue with Griffin was that the minority owners wanted more F.O. input and Griffin was trying to placate them while Gilbert was not.

I'll be shocked if the Cavs re-enter the tax this summer.

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dean456 · Post #993 » by **dean456** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:31 am

Stillwater wrote:SO with Miami wanting Conley, maybe the Cavs can swing a deal with Miami & Memphis.
Cavs take on 1 yr of Whiteside ( he has to opt in to his PO before the draft,which he should if he wants out of there for trade purposes as expected)
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7197239
Cavs send Love,Cedi and Zizic to Memphis along with the 5th pick
Cavs get #2 pick and the #13 pick from Miami & 1 yr of Whiteside.
Memphis sends Conley to Miami and the #2 pick to CLE
Memphis gets KLove,#5,Cedi and Zizic
Miami sends Whiteside and #13 to CLE
Miami gets Conley.
--
Unlikely I am sure, If Memphis is in Love with JA but not incredibly unrealistic for values sake if they still really like White or Garland
who they were pining for at 8 and scouted more heavily.
Cavs getting JA or Barrett and then picking up another rook at 13 by moving on from Love might seem weak at first, but given his contract and injury history they would have to pull the trigger if the offer existed.
I also see them moving Smith to BKN for Crabbe(1yr) 27th and 31st.
Thats 4 1st rounders and the first pick of the 2nd.
JA
Washington
Claxton
Bradzekis
Oni

That trade doesn't really make sense for Memphis. Jarren Jackson Jr is Memphis's PF of the future so they likely wouldn't be interested in Love's long term deal at the cost of their #2 pick.

Miami have apparently told Whiteside that if he takes his player option that he would be shipped in a three team deal that would land Love in Phoenix. I don't know the validity of it but the guy who posted it was supposed to have some ties to our team.

If this is true I imagine it would look something like.

Cavs recieve - Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, PHX pick 6 and PHX pick 31

Phoenix recieve - Kevin Love

Miami recieve - Tristan Thompson and CAVS pick 26

Could be that or that minus the Pick 31 to you guys and Pick 26 to Miami. It's not the sexiest trade but I think it benefits every club.

Spoiler:

Stillwater · Post #994 » by **Stillwater** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:56 pm

dean456 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:SO with Miami wanting Conley, maybe the Cavs can swing a deal with Miami & Memphis.
Cavs take on 1 yr of Whiteside ( he has to opt in to his PO before the draft,which he should if he wants out of there for trade purposes as expected)
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7197239
Cavs send Love,Cedi and Zizic to Memphis along with the 5th pick
Cavs get #2 pick and the #13 pick from Miami & 1 yr of Whiteside.
Memphis sends Conley to Miami and the #2 pick to CLE
Memphis gets KLove,#5,Cedi and Zizic
Miami sends Whiteside and #13 to CLE
Miami gets Conley.
--
Unlikely I am sure, If Memphis is in Love with JA but not incredibly unrealistic for values sake if they still really like White or Garland
who they were pining for at 8 and scouted more heavily.
Cavs getting JA or Barrett and then picking up another rook at 13 by moving on from Love might seem weak at first, but given his contract and injury history they would have to pull the trigger if the offer existed.
I also see them moving Smith to BKN for Crabbe(1yr) 27th and 31st.
Thats 4 1st rounders and the first pick of the 2nd.
JA
Washington
Claxton
Bradzekis
Oni

That trade doesn't really make sense for Memphis. Jarren Jackson Jr is Memphis's PF of the future so they likely wouldn't be interested in Love's long term deal at the cost of their #2 pick.

Miami have apparently told Whiteside that if he takes his player option that he would be shipped in a three team deal that would land Love in Phoenix. I don't know the validity of it but the guy who posted it was supposed to have some ties to our team.

If this is true I imagine it would look something like.

Cavs recieve - Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, PHX pick 6 and PHX pick 31

Phoenix recieve - Kevin Love

Miami recieve - Tristan Thompson and CAVS pick 26

Could be that or that minus the Pick 31 to you guys and Pick 26 to Miami. It's not the sexiest trade but I think it benefits every club.

Spoiler:
PHX get their solution at PF to play alongside Ayton and PHX have shown interest in Love in the past. PHX could then use cap space to target their need at PG and resign Kelly Oubre Jr.

CLE Get off of Love's long term money and have the 5th, 6th and 31st/26th picks in the draft, they also add a 21yo SF in Jackson who showed signs of improvement last season, add Whiteside who will help with your defensive rebounding and shot blocking deficiencies for a year then he and TJ will expire with the rest of your current contracts outside of Sexton, Nance, Zizic, Jackson pick 5, pick 6 and pick 26/31 giving you somewhere around 70-80mil in cap space to build around that core.

Miami gets Thompson for our backup center role and an extra 1st rounder. The extra pick might not be a thing but we have been looking into guys in the 10-18 range and 25-35 range which leads me to believe we are trying to acquire an extra pick. But again might not be in this trade.

You guys could end up with something like,

Sexton/Delavedova/Knight
Culver/Clarkson/TJ/JR
Reddish/Jackson/Osman
Nance Jr/Henson/pick 26/31
Whiteside/Zizic

To me that's a solid core going forward for the cost of Love and Thompson and possibly moving down 5 picks late in the 1st round.

JJJ is a 5 going forward but yeah memphis trading out was always a longshot.
that trade you mentioned is interesting but not likely cavs are eating whiteside & johnson even at 1 yr only assuring staying in tax 2 years with no kevin love just for the 6th and jackson who by most accounts is a bust. maybe but thompson is better than whiteside as well.

dean456 · Post #995 » by **dean456** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 4:03 pm

dean456 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
That trade doesn't really make sense for Memphis. Jarren Jackson Jr is Memphis's PF of the future so they likely wouldn't be interested in Love's long term deal at the cost of their #2 pick.

Miami have apparently told Whiteside that if he takes his player option that he would be shipped in a three team deal that would land Love in Phoenix. I don't know the validity of it but the guy who posted it was supposed to have some ties to our team.

If this is true I imagine it would look something like.

Cavs recieve - Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, PHX pick 6 and PHX pick 31

Phoenix recieve - Kevin Love

Miami recieve - Tristan Thompson and CAVS pick 26

Could be that or that minus the Pick 31 to you guys and Pick 26 to Miami. It's not the sexiest trade but I think it benefits every club.

Spoiler:
PHX get their solution at PF to play alongside Ayton and PHX have shown interest in Love in the past. PHX could then use cap space to target their need at PG and resign Kelly Oubre Jr.

CLE Get off of Love's long term money and have the 5th, 6th and 31st/26th picks in the draft, they also add a 21yo SF in Jackson who showed signs of improvement last season, add Whiteside who will help with your defensive rebounding and shot blocking deficiencies for a year then he and TJ will expire with the rest of your current contracts outside of Sexton, Nance, Zizic, Jackson pick 5, pick 6 and pick 26/31 giving you somewhere around 70-80mil in cap space to build around that core.

Miami gets Thompson for our backup center role and an extra 1st rounder. The extra pick might not be a thing but we have been looking into guys in the 10-18 range and 25-35 range which leads me to believe we are trying to acquire an extra pick. But again might not be in this trade.

You guys could end up with something like,

Sexton/Delavedova/Knight
Culver/Clarkson/TJ/JR
Reddish/Jackson/Osman
Nance Jr/Henson/pick 26/31
Whiteside/Zizic

To me that's a solid core going forward for the cost of Love and Thompson and possibly moving down 5 picks late in the 1st round.

JJJ is a 5 going forward but yeah memphis trading out was always a longshot.
that trade you mentioned is interesting but not likely cavs are eating whiteside & johnson even at 1 yr only assuring staying in tax 2 years with no kevin love just for the 6th and jackson who by most accounts is a bust. maybe but thompson is better than whiteside as well.

I think you are valuing Love and Thompson a little high.

Love's a 31yo with a 4 year almost max contract who's coming off a 22 game season.

I don't expect you to not value your guy more highly but for arguments sake I would say that Whiteside has out scored, rebounded, blocked and shot more efficiently than Thompson almost every season they've both been playing. Whiteside produced better than Thompson in less minutes per game and shot more efficiently in a larger sample size of games this season alone. Granted Thompson is a more mobile defender but other than that Whiteside is the better player. I think you would notice a big difference if you guys acquired him.

I understand your skepticism of Jackson but it might be a bit premature to call him a bust at 21yo after playing his first two seasons sharing minutes between 4 other SF's in TJ Warren, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges and Derrick Jones Jr three of whom played 29-31mpg. Also you have Booker dominating the scoring on that team.

Stillwater · Post #996 » by **Stillwater** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 5:15 pm

dean456 wrote:
dean456 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
That trade doesn't really make sense for Memphis. Jarren Jackson Jr is Memphis's PF of the future so they likely wouldn't be interested in Love's long term deal at the cost of their #2 pick.

Miami have apparently told Whiteside that if he takes his player option that he would be shipped in a three team deal that would land Love in Phoenix. I don't know the validity of it but the guy who posted it was supposed to have some ties to our team.

If this is true I imagine it would look something like.

Cavs recieve - Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, PHX pick 6 and PHX pick 31

Phoenix recieve - Kevin Love

Miami recieve - Tristan Thompson and CAVS pick 26

Could be that or that minus the Pick 31 to you guys and Pick 26 to Miami. It's not the sexiest trade but I think it benefits every club.

Spoiler:
PHX get their solution at PF to play alongside Ayton and PHX have shown interest in Love in the past. PHX could then use cap space to target their need at PG and resign Kelly Oubre Jr.

CLE Get off of Love's long term money and have the 5th, 6th and 31st/26th picks in the draft, they also add a 21yo SF in Jackson who showed signs of improvement last season, add Whiteside who will help with your defensive rebounding and shot blocking deficiencies for a year then he and TJ will expire with the rest of your current contracts outside of Sexton, Nance, Zizic, Jackson pick 5, pick 6 and pick 26/31 giving you somewhere around 70-80mil in cap space to build around that core.

Miami gets Thompson for our backup center role and an extra 1st rounder. The extra pick might not be a thing but we have been looking into guys in the 10-18 range and 25-35 range which leads me to believe we are trying to acquire an extra pick. But again might not be in this trade.

You guys could end up with something like,

Sexton/Delavedova/Knight
Culver/Clarkson/TJ/JR
Reddish/Jackson/Osman
Nance Jr/Henson/pick 26/31
Whiteside/Zizic

To me that's a solid core going forward for the cost of Love and Thompson and possibly moving down 5 picks late in the 1st round.

JJJ is a 5 going forward but yeah memphis trading out was always a longshot.
that trade you mentioned is interesting but not likely cavs are eating whiteside & johnson even at 1 yr only assuring staying in tax 2 years with no kevin love just for the 6th and jackson who by most accounts is a bust. maybe but thompson is better than whiteside as well.

I think you are valuing Love and Thompson a little high.

Love's a 31yo with a 4 year almost max contract who's coming off a 22 game season.

I don't expect you to not value your guy more highly but for arguments sake I would say that Whiteside has out scored, rebounded, blocked and shot more efficiently than Thompson almost every season they've both been playing. Whiteside produced better than Thompson in less minutes per game and shot more efficiently in a larger sample size of games this season alone. Granted Thompson is a more mobile defender but other than that Whiteside is the better player. I think you would notice a big difference if you guys acquired him.

I understand your skepticism of Jackson but it might be a bit premature to call him a bust at 21yo after playing his first two seasons sharing minutes between 4 other SF's in TJ Warren, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges and Derrick Jones Jr three of whom played 29-31mpg. Also you have Booker dominating the scoring on that team.

Fair enough , just don't see the value on par with this orgs intentions

Post #997 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 6:56 pm

dean456 wrote:
dean456 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
That trade doesn't really make sense for Memphis. Jarren Jackson Jr is Memphis's PF of the future so they likely wouldn't be interested in Love's long term deal at the cost of their #2 pick.

Miami have apparently told Whiteside that if he takes his player option that he would be shipped in a three team deal that would land Love in Phoenix. I don't know the validity of it but the guy who posted it was supposed to have some ties to our team.

If this is true I imagine it would look something like.

Cavs recieve - Josh Jackson, Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, PHX pick 6 and PHX pick 31

Phoenix recieve - Kevin Love

Miami recieve - Tristan Thompson and CAVS pick 26

Could be that or that minus the Pick 31 to you guys and Pick 26 to Miami. It's not the sexiest trade but I think it benefits every club.

Spoiler:
PHX get their solution at PF to play alongside Ayton and PHX have shown interest in Love in the past. PHX could then use cap space to target their need at PG and resign Kelly Oubre Jr.

CLE Get off of Love's long term money and have the 5th, 6th and 31st/26th picks in the draft, they also add a 21yo SF in Jackson who showed signs of improvement last season, add Whiteside who will help with your defensive rebounding and shot blocking deficiencies for a year then he and TJ will expire with the rest of your current contracts outside of Sexton, Nance, Zizic, Jackson pick 5, pick 6 and pick 26/31 giving you somewhere around 70-80mil in cap space to build around that core.

Miami gets Thompson for our backup center role and an extra 1st rounder. The extra pick might not be a thing but we have been looking into guys in the 10-18 range and 25-35 range which leads me to believe we are trying to acquire an extra pick. But again might not be in this trade.

You guys could end up with something like,

Sexton/Delavedova/Knight
Culver/Clarkson/TJ/JR
Reddish/Jackson/Osman
Nance Jr/Henson/pick 26/31
Whiteside/Zizic

To me that's a solid core going forward for the cost of Love and Thompson and possibly moving down 5 picks late in the 1st round.

JJJ is a 5 going forward but yeah memphis trading out was always a longshot.
that trade you mentioned is interesting but not likely cavs are eating whiteside & johnson even at 1 yr only assuring staying in tax 2 years with no kevin love just for the 6th and jackson who by most accounts is a bust. maybe but thompson is better than whiteside as well.

I think you are valuing Love and Thompson a little high.

Love's a 31yo with a 4 year almost max contract who's coming off a 22 game season.

I don't expect you to not value your guy more highly but for arguments sake I would say that Whiteside has out scored, rebounded, blocked and shot more efficiently than Thompson almost every season they've both been playing. Whiteside produced better than Thompson in less minutes per game and shot more efficiently in a larger sample size of games this season alone. Granted Thompson is a more mobile defender but other than that Whiteside is the better player. I think you would notice a big difference if you guys acquired him.

I understand your skepticism of Jackson but it might be a bit premature to call him a bust at 21yo after playing his first two seasons sharing minutes between 4 other SF's in TJ Warren, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges and Derrick Jones Jr three of whom played 29-31mpg. Also you have Booker dominating the scoring on that team.

I'm very skeptical that the Heat would net a first in a TT for Whiteside swap. If anything, No. 26 would be going back to the Suns. Frankly, this sounds like the Heat are trying to push him to opt out with the threat that he'll be traded to a rebuilding team. We'll see what happens when he opts in.

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dean456 · Post #998 » by **dean456** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 8:20 am

jbk1234 wrote:
dean456 wrote:
dean456 wrote:JJJ is a 5 going forward but yeah memphis trading out was always a longshot.
that trade you mentioned is interesting but not likely cavs are eating whiteside & johnson even at 1 yr only assuring staying in tax 2 years with no kevin love just for the 6th and jackson who by most accounts is a bust. maybe but thompson is better than whiteside as well.

I think you are valuing Love and Thompson a little high.

Love's a 31yo with a 4 year almost max contract who's coming off a 22 game season.

I don't expect you to not value your guy more highly but for arguments sake I would say that Whiteside has out scored, rebounded, blocked and shot more efficiently than Thompson almost every season they've both been playing. Whiteside produced better than Thompson in less minutes per game and shot more efficiently in a larger sample size of games this season alone. Granted Thompson is a more mobile defender but other than that Whiteside is the better player. I think you would notice a big difference if you guys acquired him.

I understand your skepticism of Jackson but it might be a bit premature to call him a bust at 21yo after playing his first two seasons sharing minutes between 4 other SF's in TJ Warren, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges and Derrick Jones Jr three of whom played 29-31mpg. Also you have Booker dominating the scoring on that team.
I'm very skeptical that the Heat would net a first in a TT for Whiteside swap. If anything, No. 26 would be going back to the Suns. Frankly, this sounds like the Heat are trying to push him to opt out with the threat that he'll be traded to a rebuilding team. We'll see what happens when he opts in.

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Yeah you are probably right like I said I wasn't sure about the picks but at the very least If something was going to go down between our 3 teams with Love and Whiteside this would be the players I would imagine being involved in it.

Post #999 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 8:35 pm

The T&T board is bad this time of year. Fans want to dump salary for peanuts even though this is the hardest time of year to do that. They want to upgrade their rosters without attaching picks or offering salary relief. It's essentially just wishcasting.

Revenged25 · Post #1000 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 8:47 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The T&T board is bad this time of year. Fans want to dump salary for peanuts even though this is the hardest time of year to do that. They want to upgrade their rosters without attaching picks or offering salary relief. It's essentially just wishcasting.

Yup, at least people are starting to listen to us when we tell them why trades are bad.

But looking at the Bulls wanting to go PG more than likely, what about #5 & Delly for #7, Dunn, and Hutchinson. Dropping back 2 spots the Cavs still drop about 3-4 mil in salary, get a SF prospect in Hutchinson, and do their own tire kicking of Dunn before likely letting him walk in FA after being a top 5 pick in 2016, meanwhile the Bulls get a vet PG and either their pick of Garland/White or whichever one remaining if the Lakers pick one.