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So the question is do they stay in this game or fall apart in the 3rd.

Cavs can't get stops with IT on the floor in the 4th quarter against the Warriors. They need to trade him to a team that doesn't have to worry about a potential series with them.

Need to make some moves.

jbk1234 wrote:Cavs can't get stops with IT on the floor in the 4th quarter against the Warriors. They need to trade him to a team that doesn't have to worry about a potential series with them.

maybe we will (something tells me we won't find a return that justifies losing the offense he might provide if he returns to form) but when the team goes 6 of 23 in the 4th it looks like an offensive problem as well.
IT3 is always a defensive liability but if his offense isn't there by the deadline we won't get a late first and a g-league scrub for him because of the contract year and the remaining question of if he ever will return to MVP candidate Isaiah or anything close to that.

Lue needs to talk to our bench players about passing the ball to Korver when he's open, particularly after an offensive rebound, instead of taking bad shots themselves. Wade, Green, and Crowder all took 3 point shots instead of making the quick pass and it's just so stupid.

jbk1234 wrote:Lue needs to talk to our bench players about passing the ball to Korver when he's open, particularly after an offensive rebound, instead of taking bad shots themselves. Wade, Green, and Crowder all took 3 point shots instead of making the quick pass and it's just so stupid.

Crowder is a serial offender for this. Also burned love today the exact same way.

Dupp wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:Lue needs to talk to our bench players about passing the ball to Korver when he's open, particularly after an offensive rebound, instead of taking bad shots themselves. Wade, Green, and Crowder all took 3 point shots instead of making the quick pass and it's just so stupid.

Crowder is a serial offender for this. Also burned love today the exact same way.

Lue seems to be encouraging them to take "their" shots,to "do their job" which is reasonable but obviously a contributing factor to the problem when the shot is a less % one than Korver.
Crowder is just a bad fit on the first unit and has never been a solid passer as it pertains to seeing the floor so he has to shoot a higher % to be effective or attack the **** basket.
He still gets burned defensively a lot too.
I'm starting to feel as if we must trade him to make others better esp if we cannot get anyone of value for IT3 or don't plan to move him.
Crowder has a decent contract for the right team, unfortunately we ain't it.

Stillwater wrote:

Dupp wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:Lue needs to talk to our bench players about passing the ball to Korver when he's open, particularly after an offensive rebound, instead of taking bad shots themselves. Wade, Green, and Crowder all took 3 point shots instead of making the quick pass and it's just so stupid.

Crowder is a serial offender for this. Also burned love today the exact same way.

Lue seems to be encouraging them to take "their" shots,to "do their job" which is reasonable but obviously a contributing factor to the problem when the shot is a less % one than Korver.
Crowder is just a bad fit on the first unit and has never been a solid passer as it pertains to seeing the floor so he has to shoot a higher % to be effective or attack the **** basket.
He still gets burned defensively a lot too.
I'm starting to feel as if we must trade him to make others better esp if we cannot get anyone of value for IT3 or don't plan to move him.
Crowder has a decent contract for the right team, unfortunately we ain't it.

I feel like Crowder, IT, & Frye, if packaged together, would be really good value for a team looking to clear up cap space. George Hill or DeAndre Jordan come to mind if teams want that Brooklyn pick for eating TT's deal.

jbk1234 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:

Dupp wrote:

Crowder is a serial offender for this. Also burned love today the exact same way.

Lue seems to be encouraging them to take "their" shots,to "do their job" which is reasonable but obviously a contributing factor to the problem when the shot is a less % one than Korver.
Crowder is just a bad fit on the first unit and has never been a solid passer as it pertains to seeing the floor so he has to shoot a higher % to be effective or attack the **** basket.
He still gets burned defensively a lot too.
I'm starting to feel as if we must trade him to make others better esp if we cannot get anyone of value for IT3 or don't plan to move him.
Crowder has a decent contract for the right team, unfortunately we ain't it.

I feel like Crowder, IT, & Frye, if packaged together, would be really good value for a team looking to clear up cap space. George Hill or DeAndre Jordan come to mind if teams want that Brooklyn pick for eating TT's deal.

yeah makes sense too me.