Sexton, Summer League, and youngins

[Dupp]

So tell me about Sexton. Good pick? Did he go around his projected range? What’s he good and bad at?

[jbk1234]

Some pundits had him rated over Trae Young. He's a better two-way PG. He's athletic, but only 19 so he needs his body to fill out a little more. There are some concerns about his shooting which is why he dropped to us.

[Revenged25]

Some pundits had him rated over Trae Young. He's a better two-way PG. He's athletic, but only 19 so he needs his body to fill out a little more. There are some concerns about his shooting which is why he dropped to us.

I think the Eric Bledsoe comparison is fair though I think Bledsoe might've been a better shooter, at least once he got to the Suns. Maybe Mike Conley is a better comparison or a mix of Bledsoe/Conley?

[jbk1234]

Some pundits had him rated over Trae Young. He's a better two-way PG. He's athletic, but only 19 so he needs his body to fill out a little more. There are some concerns about his shooting which is why he dropped to us.

I think the Eric Bledsoe comparison is fair though I think Bledsoe might've been a better shooter, at least once he got to the Suns. Maybe Mike Conley is a better comparison or a mix of Bledsoe/Conley?

Supposedly, Sexton shot a lot better in his workout for the Cavs. In the one and done era, a lot of players improve their shot after coming out college. Frankly, Cedi needs to get in the gym and work on his this summer.

[Revenged25]

Some pundits had him rated over Trae Young. He's a better two-way PG. He's athletic, but only 19 so he needs his body to fill out a little more. There are some concerns about his shooting which is why he dropped to us.

I think the Eric Bledsoe comparison is fair though I think Bledsoe might've been a better shooter, at least once he got to the Suns. Maybe Mike Conley is a better comparison or a mix of Bledsoe/Conley?

Supposedly, Sexton shot a lot better in his workout for the Cavs. In the one and done era, a lot of players improve their shot after coming out college. Frankly, Cedi needs to get in the gym and work on his this summer.

That's good to hear. I thought Cedi was supposed to have a good shot when he came over. Did he regress or something? Though I do like the potential of Cedi/Nance/Zizic if they could ever get more time in a game to develop.

[jbk1234]

I think the Eric Bledsoe comparison is fair though I think Bledsoe might've been a better shooter, at least once he got to the Suns. Maybe Mike Conley is a better comparison or a mix of Bledsoe/Conley?

Supposedly, Sexton shot a lot better in his workout for the Cavs. In the one and done era, a lot of players improve their shot after coming out college. Frankly, Cedi needs to get in the gym and work on his this summer.

That's good to hear. I thought Cedi was supposed to have a good shot when he came over. Did he regress or something? Though I do like the potential of Cedi/Nance/Zizic if they could ever get more time in a game to develop.

I just don't think that Zizic has the lateral quickness to ever been anything other than a third-string center in the NBA. His PNR defense makes Love look like DPOY.

[Revenged25]

Supposedly, Sexton shot a lot better in his workout for the Cavs. In the one and done era, a lot of players improve their shot after coming out college. Frankly, Cedi needs to get in the gym and work on his this summer.

That's good to hear. I thought Cedi was supposed to have a good shot when he came over. Did he regress or something? Though I do like the potential of Cedi/Nance/Zizic if they could ever get more time in a game to develop.

I just don't think that Zizic has the lateral quickness to ever been anything other than a third-string center in the NBA. His PNR defense makes Love look like DPOY.

I agree that his lateral quickness is bad, but against teams with guys with actual bigs like Embiid/Gobert/Drummond he would get some good playing time to keep them from just dominating a smaller center, as well as teams that rely more on driving than outside shooting to be more of a rim protector, though that would mean playing more of a zone defense than straight man.

[Stillwater]

Sexton is the best pg in this draft imo.
the motor and fearlessness will go along wayhis ability to impact the game on both ends and his finishing ability are severely underrated,but that isn't touching on the high iq player that he is and not being the shooter Young is was used to paint a picture that he is a bad shooter, which is not at all the case.
He is very vocal knows how to play the game and is hungry.
I give him a 90% odds of exceeding expectations and will be considered as a steal for us down the road.
[if he isn't traded]
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/video/teams/cavaliers/2018/06/11/2134447/1528739688438-180611-sexton-draft-2134447
regarding the 2nd round and not acquiring any picks, I am not happy in that regard esp with the likes of Thomas and Bates Diop both being 1st round talent and would have been worth getting.
The good thing for a few hours was several solid sg or swingman prospects went undrafted, but
of course a couple I wanted us to go after have been picked up for sl by other orgs. GSW of all rosters picked up Kendrick Nunn an offensive machine which really held my interest , Rockets picked up Gary CLark a really under rated floor stretcher. Alkins went to Toronto etc.
We apparently have picked up the less recruited big ten player Dakota Mathias the local product 3 point specialist.
here is a link from BR :https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782402-undrafted-nba-free-agents-2018-latest-details-on-top-rookie-signings
here is some info on Mathias: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dakota-mathias-1.html
3 point specialist. Maybe some insurance if Korver is getting traded.

[tundraknight]

Much like De'Aaron Fox in last year's draft, Sexton's appeal lies primarily in his relentless, almost maniacal effort. Even though Sexton has his deficiencies compared with other lottery-level guards (subpar 3-point shooter, bad assist/turnover ratio), his upside as a perennial All-Defensive Team selection is what sets him apart. He was forced to carry an unsustainable workload at Alabama, so perhaps his shooting/efficiency numbers improve as he finds his NBA niche. He provides a much-needed injection of youth, athleticism, and defensive intensity to the Cavs. I hear the Cavs may have one other pending roster decision that may prove to be significant.

^ This draft analysis is from nbadraft.net

[Trailbreaker]

Seems like we did well for an eighth pick. Really any extra help will be great if LeBron stays and if he goes then Sexton seems to be a good building block.

[No-Man]

So tell me about Sexton. Good pick? Did he go around his projected range? What’s he good and bad at?

really good at transition play, can surprise people with quicks, smart decisions with open space and def finishing
really good at finding open lanes in the halfcourt, almost like a RB, think Le'Veon Bell with his body control horizontally, ability to stop and go, move around guys, issue is, he gets to the middle but has no real burst unless he can take extra steps (like in transition, continuing acceleration) and he doesn't have craft around the rim, he got to the line a ton but it's unlikely to translate, he was just throwing himself at people hoping it will work
physical player, can run some PnR, not an advanced passer, but if he sees it, he can make it, much better in transition there obviously
issues on terms of been a full-time high usg% Guard, you want him with another initiator on your team 100%, he is not a guy that's good at controlling the tempo and the game
also an issue running PnR is that players can go under, his pull-up is hit&miss, much better from long 2 range, but that's not as useful, pretty rigid and mechanical, I think he is going to be a fine off-ball shooter in time, not diverse but able to spot up and attack close-outs

defense is super overrated, misses rotations, attack without regard for team defense, very on-ball focus, can have some presence there, but for the most part he needs real coaching and understanding

I like some of his foundation, but to me it's hard to envision his ceiling as a real difference maker as a PG, he is strong and has a nice frame, but not as big as PGs nor as explosive as PGs with his skills limitations.
He has some similarities with Eric Bledsoe, not as a strong, and Jeff Teague, but not as quick, so think something in between as a ceiling, might have a couple seasons in his prime as a top50 if lucky, maybe an All Star if in the right team (think Teague).

Issue is that if you are paying those guys from what they think they are worth, and with Sexton's pedigree and how the media likes him, he is likely to be overpaid his whole career, like if you can have some dudes for the minimum like certain rookies, or even MLE guys like Darren Collison, that's better allocation of resources than paying Jeff Teague (using him as a parallel) what he got, or Bledsoe.

If Sexton pans out, I'd trade him quick for a better asset.

[Stillwater]

So tell me about Sexton. Good pick? Did he go around his projected range? What’s he good and bad at?

really good at transition play, can surprise people with quicks, smart decisions with open space and def finishing
really good at finding open lanes in the halfcourt, almost like a RB, think Le'Veon Bell with his body control horizontally, ability to stop and go, move around guys, issue is, he gets to the middle but has no real burst unless he can take extra steps (like in transition, continuing acceleration) and he doesn't have craft around the rim, he got to the line a ton but it's unlikely to translate, he was just throwing himself at people hoping it will work
physical player, can run some PnR, not an advanced passer, but if he sees it, he can make it, much better in transition there obviously
issues on terms of been a full-time high usg% Guard, you want him with another initiator on your team 100%, he is not a guy that's good at controlling the tempo and the game
also an issue running PnR is that players can go under, his pull-up is hit&miss, much better from long 2 range, but that's not as useful, pretty rigid and mechanical, I think he is going to be a fine off-ball shooter in time, not diverse but able to spot up and attack close-outs

defense is super overrated, misses rotations, attack without regard for team defense, very on-ball focus, can have some presence there, but for the most part he needs real coaching and understanding

I like some of his foundation, but to me it's hard to envision his ceiling as a real difference maker as a PG, he is strong and has a nice frame, but not as big as PGs nor as explosive as PGs with his skills limitations.
He has some similarities with Eric Bledsoe, not as a strong, and Jeff Teague, but not as quick, so think something in between as a ceiling, might have a couple seasons in his prime as a top50 if lucky, maybe an All Star if in the right team (think Teague).

Issue is that if you are paying those guys from what they think they are worth, and with Sexton's pedigree and how the media likes him, he is likely to be overpaid his whole career, like if you can have some dudes for the minimum like certain rookies, or even MLE guys like Darren Collison, that's better allocation of resources than paying Jeff Teague (using him as a parallel) what he got, or Bledsoe.

If Sexton pans out, I'd trade him quick for a better asset.

The best scorers in the league always come in to it with a high level mid range game and he has that.
His ability to collapse defenses will definitely make his ability as a creator for others more obvious with more spacing
in the pros. He won't have to force the issue or take over games with solid players around him either, but can be relied a pon to do so as needed.
I think a lot of your critiques about his apparent limitations are short sighted, and although he has to become better like any rookie, the sky is the limit with the new Cav.
The great thing about Sexton is his work ethic is on par with the likes of Lillard another guard people liked to think wouldn't live up to the expectations.

[No-Man]

Lillard is significantly more explosive around the rim, like Sexton has no burst vertically unless he is on the move, a miles better shooter, and has some sick moves in PnR, I like Sexton but for him to be great he is going to need to become a bonkers shooter, I just don't think he has the physical goods otherwise really

He is just fine there, and with his skills, fine isn't gonna cut it to be a stud player.

[Stillwater]

Lillard is significantly more explosive around the rim, like Sexton has no burst vertically unless he is on the move, a miles better shooter, and has some sick moves in PnR, I like Sexton but for him to be great he is going to need to become a bonkers shooter, I just don't think he has the physical goods otherwise really

He is just fine there, and with his skills, fine isn't gonna cut it to be a stud player.

Clearly you are just making **** up now...keep dreaming

[No-Man]

Lillard is significantly more explosive around the rim, like Sexton has no burst vertically unless he is on the move, a miles better shooter, and has some sick moves in PnR, I like Sexton but for him to be great he is going to need to become a bonkers shooter, I just don't think he has the physical goods otherwise really

He is just fine there, and with his skills, fine isn't gonna cut it to be a stud player.

Clearly you are just making **** up now...keep dreaming

Man, I have literally watched every finish that Sexton has attempted this year at Alabama in synergy, when he can load up on the open court and can take that force from running into blowing by guys cause of eating space, he can rise and finish, in half-court? no chance, he is basically trying to buy FTs, he isn't going to be finishing over guys in the NBA out of PnR

He is a solid athlete with some really cool coordination and instinctual plays in terms of carving space or recognizing patterns to drive, but not a nuclear guy that can load up and soar, like a Dennis Smith

[Stillwater]

Lillard is significantly more explosive around the rim, like Sexton has no burst vertically unless he is on the move, a miles better shooter, and has some sick moves in PnR, I like Sexton but for him to be great he is going to need to become a bonkers shooter, I just don't think he has the physical goods otherwise really

He is just fine there, and with his skills, fine isn't gonna cut it to be a stud player.

Clearly you are just making **** up now...keep dreaming

Man, I have literally watched every finish that Sexton has attempted this year at Alabama in synergy, when he can load up on the open court and can take that force from running into blowing by guys cause of eating space, he can rise and finish, in half-court? no chance, he is basically trying to buy FTs, he isn't going to be finishing over guys in the NBA out of PnR

He is a solid athlete with some really cool coordination and instinctual plays in terms of carving space or recognizing patterns to drive, but not a nuclear guy that can load up and soar, like a Dennis Smith

I disagree he cannot ,despite being able to blow by defenders and use his athleticism to create angles etc, Sexton showed he is one of the most explosive players in space esp off of two feet in this draft. Watch more film.

[No-Man]

In space man, in the halfcourt you don't get that often esp with his lack of pull-up

he is really good at using angles and getting around bodies when he is on the ground, in the air,.... nope, he lacks that type of burst

[Stillwater]

http://nba.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/teams/cavaliers/2018/06/23/2152231/caption/1529760708115-180623_fred_peice_01-2152231_1280x720.mp4

[KuruptedCav]

Think a poor man’s Kyrie. He’s always playing downhill and can get to the rim almost at will; but he doesn’t have the creativity or finishing ability (who does?). I’d expect Brandon Knight/Eric Bledsoe potential.

I’m disappointed the Cavs didn’t acquire a pick to grab Khyri Thomas who I thought would have been an excellent 3D PG, but I can understand not wanting two rookie PGs.

Excited to see Billy Preston in summer league. He has next level potential.


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[afarmenian]

Reminds me a bit of D wade the way he attacks, pretty powerful finisher, fearless but not out of control. Of course is not a great comparison overall Wade is bigger and always had the advanced post game and strength to punish guards down low. I like his dog and i like his competitiveness.

I don't like that we still have no center and not a lot of wing size/athleticism past lebron