Cavs extend Love (4 years @$120 million)

[jbk1234]

[Patrick1978]

Hello guys
Magic fan here,coming in peace.
I just want to say that i like your team a lot and will follow you next season.
I am a big fan of collin sexton,he was one of my top 3 choices in the draft.
He will become a leader of your franchise .
I also like the potential of osman and zizic,they never had a real Opportunity but now i think their time has come.nance and clarkson are also good players.
Nice that Kevin Love stays with you,i always liked him.i think Love will flourish now with the departure of James.

[Revenged25]

I love Love, but that's about 5/yr more than I was thinking he was worth. Oh, well great to have him back. Really think we'll end up making the playoffs sitll, but man this kinda hurts contract wise.

[Dupp]

I hate this.

[jbk1234]

I hate this.

I have concerns that I could end up hating this but I'm not there yet. I never really wanted to bottom all the way out. Especially with the lottery odds being far less favorable to the worst teams in the league now. This is a branding exercise by Gilbert IMO. One that could've waited until the Cavs played a month or so into the season. Only one team in the entire NBA that extended early didn't regret it last year.

[yoyoboy]

I like Kevin but this is just horrible. I was afraid Gilbert would go this route. This isn't the move a team in our position should be making and we might've just set this franchise back another few years by paying a soon to be 30 year old with extensive injury history 30% of our cap for another 4 years... not to mention that while he's obviously a great player he's just not well suited to the versatile, speedy, lengthy new NBA.

This is how you become the Pistons. Or the Heat. Gilbert is desperate to prove the team can be relevant without LeBron. We were in a great position to accelerate the rebuild. Trade Love for a lottery pick and an expiring and this team would have about $50 million in cap space next summer with Hill and JR essentially coming off the books. Along with bringing in an almost certain to be top 5 pick. If we got even a pick in the 12-14 range with Love and then got a top 5 pick of our own (and let's be honest, Lue coaching rookie Sexton, second year Cedi and Zizic, awful JR, TT, and Clarkson, etc, is getting a top 5 pick), we could go into the 2019-20 season with:

Collin Sexton
RJ Barrett (top 5)
Cedi Osman
Jontay Porter (late lottery)
Ante Zizic

And about $45 million in cap space once the rookies are signed. And then preferably we would be bad for one more year, add another top 10 pick, and go into the 2020-21 season with just the rookie salaries of Sexton, Zizic, Barrett (in this example), Porter (obviously could be some other rookie), and whoever we would take in that draft on the books. We could resign Cedi to $15 mil/year (and I doubt it'll cost that much to retain him) and still have $70 million of cap space to sign 2 max guys and role players to add to that young group.

How do you become and remain a contender in the current NBA? You allocate your cap by only giving max contracts to guys who will be top 15ish players over the course of their contracts (which I'm sorry to say, Love is not) and then surrounding them with talented rookie salary players (who you can extend and go over the cap for later) and veteran ring chasers who you can swap in and out each year. Also giving long term, medium salaries to role players is what kills your flexibility and your title window as we saw with the Cavs when JR, Tristan, and Shump ate up our cap. Meanwhile, teams like Boston, Golden State, and Philly (well at least Hinkie did) understand how to properly build teams in the current NBA landscape, and unfortunately the Cavs' ownership and FO combo has proven to be years behind those guys.

Can't wait until we sign Hood to some ridiculous deal, so we can watch Love, Hood, and the overplayed vets lead us to the 9th-10th seed while we lose our pick to Atlanta and remain stuck in mediocrity for years.

[jbk1234]

I like Kevin but this is just horrible. I was afraid Gilbert would go this route. This isn't the move a team in our position should be making and we might've just set this franchise back another few years by paying a soon to be 30 year old with extensive injury history 30% of our cap for another 4 years... not to mention that while he's obviously a great player he's just not well suited to the versatile, speedy, lengthy new NBA.

This is how you become the Pistons. Or the Heat. Gilbert is desperate to prove the team can be relevant without LeBron. We were in a great position to accelerate the rebuild. Trade Love for a lottery pick and an expiring and this team would have about $50 million in cap space next summer with Hill and JR essentially coming off the books. Along with bringing in an almost certain to be top 5 pick. If we got even a pick in the 12-14 range with Love and then got a top 5 pick of our own (and let's be honest, Lue coaching rookie Sexton, second year Cedi and Zizic, awful JR, TT, and Clarkson, etc, is getting a top 5 pick), we could go into the 2019-20 season with:

Collin Sexton
RJ Barrett (top 5)
Cedi Osman
Jontay Porter (late lottery)
Ante Zizic

And about $45 million in cap space once the rookies are signed. And then preferably we would be bad for one more year, add another top 10 pick, and go into the 2020-21 season with just the rookie salaries of Sexton, Zizic, Barrett (in this example), Porter (obviously could be some other rookie), and whoever we would take in that draft on the books. We could resign Cedi to $15 mil/year (and I doubt it'll cost that much to retain him) and still have $70 million of cap space to sign 2 max guys and role players to add to that young group.

How do you become and remain a contender in the current NBA? You allocate your cap by only giving max contracts to guys who will be top 15ish players over the course of their contracts (which I'm sorry to say, Love is not) and then surrounding them with talented rookie salary players (who you can extend and go over the cap for later) and veteran ring chasers who you can swap in and out each year. Also giving long term, medium salaries to role players is what kills your flexibility and your title window as we saw with the Cavs when JR, Tristan, and Shump ate up our cap. Meanwhile, teams like Boston, Golden State, and Philly (well at least Hinkie did) understand how to properly build teams in the current NBA landscape, and unfortunately the Cavs' ownership and FO combo has proven to be years behind those guys.

Can't wait until we sign Hood to some ridiculous deal, so we can watch Love, Hood, and the overplayed vets lead us to the 9th-10th seed while we lose our pick to Atlanta and remain stuck in mediocrity for years.

A couple things: (1) The odds of the Cavs getting Barrett were really, really low. He's likely going to be the No. 1 pick and even if you finish dead last, you don't have favorable odds of getting the No. 1 pick under the new system. (2) I strongly suspect there was no late-lottery pick offers for Love. At least not one without us taking back really bad players on really bad contracts. The last draft was about 8 or 9 deep and teams still didn't trade their late lottery picks for win-now pieces. (3) We'll still have plenty of cap space in 2019 & 2020 so long as we don't make another questionable signing.

In sum, while I have concerns about committing that much money to Love without even watching the Cavs play this season, these uber-optimistic alternatives don't exist in reality. Cavs could've sucked hard for three years and ended up with another set of TT, Waiters, Bennett, Zeller, and Karasev.

The Bucks just let Jabari walk. Wiggins might have neutral value on his current contract. None of Ben Simmons, Fultz, nor Ball can presently make an outside jump shot. The Nets are looking to get any value they can in a Russell trade before he becomes a RFA. These are the guys who haven't completely busted. People need to pump the brakes on the draft as the answer to the all the Cavs problems.

[gflem]

Depending on how the season goes, this may actually make Love more valuable in a future trade. He is now locked up for 4 additional years after this season. Ask yourself, is this contract worse than the one TT signed a few years back?
Going forward 30 mil a year for a 20/10 All Star stretch 4 may be a bit of a bargain. Anyhow, it allows Sexton to get acclimated without having to be the face of the franchise from day one, or being the focal point of the opposing teams defense. I also appreciate Love for not being a selfish whiner like Kyrie and to some extent Lebron. He at least is willing to commit to a retooling of the team without making every decision that the team may want to make a decision about his future with the team.

[Franco]

I get a day on work without internet (and let me tell you, paperwork is ****), and when I get back home this is what waiting for me?

I don’t even...

[Dupp]

Is there team or player option fourth year?

[jbk1234]

Is there team or player option fourth year?

I haven't seen anything on that but Love declined next year's P.O. as part of the deal so while this is being reported as a 4 year extension, it's actually three years beyond what the Cavs were obligated to pay.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/07/kevin_love_cavaliers_extension.html

[Dupp]

Is there team or player option fourth year?

I haven't seen anything on that but Love declined next year's P.O. as part of the deal so while this is being reported as a 4 year extension, it's actually three years beyond what the Cavs were obligated to pay.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/07/kevin_love_cavaliers_extension.html

Well I do like 4/120 better that 5/144 or whatever it was but still...

[jbk1234]

Is there team or player option fourth year?

I haven't seen anything on that but Love declined next year's P.O. as part of the deal so while this is being reported as a 4 year extension, it's actually three years beyond what the Cavs were obligated to pay.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/07/kevin_love_cavaliers_extension.html

Well I do like 4/120 better that 5/144 or whatever it was but still...

Yeah if the last year has an ETO, that would be even better.

[Dupp]

I haven't seen anything on that but Love declined next year's P.O. as part of the deal so while this is being reported as a 4 year extension, it's actually three years beyond what the Cavs were obligated to pay.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/07/kevin_love_cavaliers_extension.html

Well I do like 4/120 better that 5/144 or whatever it was but still...

Yeah if the last year has an ETO, that would be even better.

We’re gonna struggle a lot more than management think imo. As it looks now they are looking like they want to remain semi competitive. I doubt that happens this season. Will management change their mind and decide to full rebuild I don’t know but I hope so and believe we will be forced to do that whether we want to or not.

The problem is if love plays well enough to be a trade asset we probably keep him. If he’s playing bad with the team we’re gonna struggle to move him.

[Dupp]

Also is that Steph curry in the hard hat in the op?

[jbk1234]

Well I do like 4/120 better that 5/144 or whatever it was but still...

Yeah if the last year has an ETO, that would be even better.

We’re gonna struggle a lot more than management think imo. As it looks now they are looking like they want to remain semi competitive. I doubt that happens this season. Will management change their mind and decide to full rebuild I don’t know but I hope so and believe we will be forced to do that whether we want to or not.

The problem is if love plays well enough to be a trade asset we probably keep him. If he’s playing bad with the team we’re gonna struggle to move him.

I can talk myself into a scenario where it's okay even if the Cavs struggle somewhat this year and next. There's the David Lee comp with GS where he allowed them to play relatively decent basketball until the young players were ready to step up.

I just think that extending him before you've even played a month of regular season ball without LBJ, was dumb given the actual contract that was offered. I watched all these teams offer stupid extensions to young guys before they were RFAs last season. The Cavs seemed not have learned from that. It's a risk you don't need to take now, more data would be helpful in analyzing that risk, and if the player wants to extend before you have to commit, that player should share in the risk. There's very little sharing of the risk reflected in Love's extension.

[Stillwater]

I hate this.

Why does you team icon change all of the time...? I saw a raptors icon earlier on the GB.
This was the right move

[Dupp]

I hate this.

Why does you team icon change all of the time...? I saw a raptors icon earlier on the GB.
This was the right move

Just to be a douche really.

Eh I don’t think so but we’ll see I guess. Best case we still jumped the gun on timing.

[Stillwater]

I hate this.

Why does you team icon change all of the time...? I saw a raptors icon earlier on the GB.
This was the right move

Just to be a douche really.

Eh I don’t think so but we’ll see I guess. Best case we still jumped the gun on timing.

yeah the timing seems a little premature, but it sends a message to any remaining fa we are committed to staying a playoff team and working our way back to relevance over the development of current young players in the next couple seasons.

[Dupp]

Why does you team icon change all of the time...? I saw a raptors icon earlier on the GB.
This was the right move

Just to be a douche really.

Eh I don’t think so but we’ll see I guess. Best case we still jumped the gun on timing.

yeah the timing seems a little premature, but it sends a message to any remaining fa we are committed to staying a playoff team and working our way back to relevance over the development of current young players in the next couple seasons.

I think with some of our contracts we’re gonna really suck for a year at least anyway. Maybe even two. So I guess if we want to stay relevant we’ll have two prospects to go forward with along with what we already have.

Atlanta ain’t getting that pick next year unless we have goat level tanking by teams like last season.