Re: Cavs 2019 off-season
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:50 pm
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some decent film if unfamiliar with Macura
some decent film if unfamiliar with Macura
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Stillwater wrote:Richfield wrote:JP Macura signed to Exhibit 10 with Cavs.
I love that Cavs passed on one dimensional Bender for a more versatile player.
Not sure what he can do with this chance but I do know he's a fun player to watch and root for.
I am impressed with this front office a lot for this move...
Macura is one of the most overlooked solid young players in the league and it comes as no surprise
Charlotte failed to utilize him properly only using him twice... pathetic waste of a roster spot by them.
Those thinking he needs development are wrong. He is already NBA ready back up level player who is solid with no apparent weakness' just is not exceptional at any one thing either otherwise he would have been drafted in 2018.
Macura however was very reliable & was a strong presence in college making smart in game decisions and playing with Delly like tenacity.
Beilein type guy through and through with above avg shooting , cutting and passing tools along with good positional size off ball lateral quickness and decent above the rim pop athleticism and speed grabbing a lot of steals and turning them into transition points.
The biggest knocks on him in the draft imo aside from being a pretty strong draft in 2018, he never added much weight and likely won't with that frame, and he was already older. That being said I have no doubt he will emerge as a rotation player for this roster if they give him the chance.
Love this signing
JonFromVA wrote:Patience may be a virtue, but it sucks we have to wait to see what we've got in Garland and Porter Jr.
It's not a stretch to imagine Darius would have been the top PG prospect in the draft if he didn't get hurt, but it's just really rough to try to extrapolate that based on just 4.5-games.
Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.Stillwater wrote:JonFromVA wrote:Patience may be a virtue, but it sucks we have to wait to see what we've got in Garland and Porter Jr.
It's not a stretch to imagine Darius would have been the top PG prospect in the draft if he didn't get hurt, but it's just really rough to try to extrapolate that based on just 4.5-games.
I think it's pretty obvious the Front Office feels Garland is a good enough shooter regardless of if other aspects of his game transfer right away or not that he can play off Sexton from day 1. I also think they are hoping his playmaking ability is good enough they can use him in that lead ball handler role interchangeably knowing Sexton can also play off ball evident from time's he did well off ball last season.
KPJ needs some time probably , but I also would not be surprised if he gets plenty of PT along with interchanging rotations with Windler,Cedi and KPJ all rotating around between 2/3 and some 4 for Cedi
jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.Stillwater wrote:JonFromVA wrote:Patience may be a virtue, but it sucks we have to wait to see what we've got in Garland and Porter Jr.
It's not a stretch to imagine Darius would have been the top PG prospect in the draft if he didn't get hurt, but it's just really rough to try to extrapolate that based on just 4.5-games.
I think it's pretty obvious the Front Office feels Garland is a good enough shooter regardless of if other aspects of his game transfer right away or not that he can play off Sexton from day 1. I also think they are hoping his playmaking ability is good enough they can use him in that lead ball handler role interchangeably knowing Sexton can also play off ball evident from time's he did well off ball last season.
KPJ needs some time probably , but I also would not be surprised if he gets plenty of PT along with interchanging rotations with Windler,Cedi and KPJ all rotating around between 2/3 and some 4 for Cedi
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Worse case scenario, he's a rotation-level defensive wing. With Nwaba gone now, I think fans are about to get a hard look at why they're important to a balanced unit.Stillwater wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.Stillwater wrote:I think it's pretty obvious the Front Office feels Garland is a good enough shooter regardless of if other aspects of his game transfer right away or not that he can play off Sexton from day 1. I also think they are hoping his playmaking ability is good enough they can use him in that lead ball handler role interchangeably knowing Sexton can also play off ball evident from time's he did well off ball last season.
KPJ needs some time probably , but I also would not be surprised if he gets plenty of PT along with interchanging rotations with Windler,Cedi and KPJ all rotating around between 2/3 and some 4 for Cedi
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right but they are developing players who will get minutes over him at his optimal assignments defensively because they have better offensive upsides.
Cedi is on his last leg with this roster imo as a potential long term answer at the 3 and if his shot has not dramatically improved this summer i definitely see him losing minutes at the 2/3 to the rooks.
jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.Stillwater wrote:JonFromVA wrote:Patience may be a virtue, but it sucks we have to wait to see what we've got in Garland and Porter Jr.
It's not a stretch to imagine Darius would have been the top PG prospect in the draft if he didn't get hurt, but it's just really rough to try to extrapolate that based on just 4.5-games.
I think it's pretty obvious the Front Office feels Garland is a good enough shooter regardless of if other aspects of his game transfer right away or not that he can play off Sexton from day 1. I also think they are hoping his playmaking ability is good enough they can use him in that lead ball handler role interchangeably knowing Sexton can also play off ball evident from time's he did well off ball last season.
KPJ needs some time probably , but I also would not be surprised if he gets plenty of PT along with interchanging rotations with Windler,Cedi and KPJ all rotating around between 2/3 and some 4 for Cedi
jbk1234 wrote:Worse case scenario, he's a rotation-level defensive wing. With Nwaba gone now, I think fans are about to get a hard look at why they're important to a balanced unit.Stillwater wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.
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right but they are developing players who will get minutes over him at his optimal assignments defensively because they have better offensive upsides.
Cedi is on his last leg with this roster imo as a potential long term answer at the 3 and if his shot has not dramatically improved this summer i definitely see him losing minutes at the 2/3 to the rooks.
Moving your only wing defender to a position he can't play well is dumb and the results will be a layup drill for the other team.
I'm also not sure the Cavs should be gifting rookie big minutes or starting roles at the 3 if they can't defend the position. Part of development should involve playing guys in the role you foresee them playing long term. The Cavs sill never be a playoff team if none of the guys starting 1-3 can defend the position.
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Cedi was at the 4 because Love was hurt, we had already traded Dekker, and we had yet to sign Chriss.Stillwater wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Worse case scenario, he's a rotation-level defensive wing. With Nwaba gone now, I think fans are about to get a hard look at why they're important to a balanced unit.Stillwater wrote:right but they are developing players who will get minutes over him at his optimal assignments defensively because they have better offensive upsides.
Cedi is on his last leg with this roster imo as a potential long term answer at the 3 and if his shot has not dramatically improved this summer i definitely see him losing minutes at the 2/3 to the rooks.
Moving your only wing defender to a position he can't play well is dumb and the results will be a layup drill for the other team.
I'm also not sure the Cavs should be gifting rookie big minutes or starting roles at the 3 if they can't defend the position. Part of development should involve playing guys in the role you foresee them playing long term. The Cavs sill never be a playoff team if none of the guys starting 1-3 can defend the position.
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If it were me I would plan to use Cedi in a point forward role on the second unit with shooters around him after the deadline when hopefully bKnight is gone.
I don't like Cedi at the 4 either, but we saw it last year at times due his shooting oh and that word "tank" we all hate.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.Stillwater wrote:I think it's pretty obvious the Front Office feels Garland is a good enough shooter regardless of if other aspects of his game transfer right away or not that he can play off Sexton from day 1. I also think they are hoping his playmaking ability is good enough they can use him in that lead ball handler role interchangeably knowing Sexton can also play off ball evident from time's he did well off ball last season.
KPJ needs some time probably , but I also would not be surprised if he gets plenty of PT along with interchanging rotations with Windler,Cedi and KPJ all rotating around between 2/3 and some 4 for Cedi
And Kevin isn't a Center and doesn't like playing Center, but putting 4 or 5 shooters on the floor is such an effective offensive weapon - Beilein may be tempted to see how it looks and may end up liking how it looks compared to the alternatives.
Heck, asking Windler or Porter Jr to defend SF's at this point in their career is a stretch just like asking Sexton to defend SG's.
We know Beilein values shooting, we just don't know how much it and finding minutes for the kids is going to trump other concerns at this point.
We're just left to guess since we got no crumbs out of Summer league.
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.
And Kevin isn't a Center and doesn't like playing Center, but putting 4 or 5 shooters on the floor is such an effective offensive weapon - Beilein may be tempted to see how it looks and may end up liking how it looks compared to the alternatives.
Heck, asking Windler or Porter Jr to defend SF's at this point in their career is a stretch just like asking Sexton to defend SG's.
We know Beilein values shooting, we just don't know how much it and finding minutes for the kids is going to trump other concerns at this point.
We're just left to guess since we got no crumbs out of Summer league.
I think the advantage added by a 5th shooter is far outweighed by the disadvantage of playing three guys out of position and running out the defensive version of the Washington Generals. But's that just me.
substancej wrote:In my opinion, even playing Cedi at the 3 is a mistake. So putting him at the 4 means he wouldn't get many rebounds, nor would he be able to play any D on someone like Blake. He's a good oversized 2.
Stillwater wrote:These Cavs are going to be better at moving the ball than we have seen on this roster in a long time. They are going to struggle defensively until the guards get stronger and improve techniques and positioning as well as getting owned in the paint yet again unless Henson gets minutes and does a better job of protecting the rim from what we have gotten lately.
I am not incredibly concerned about the defense on the perimeter yet as I think that Windler and KPJ are athletic enough and fast enough to reach a high level defensively after awhile.
JonFromVA wrote:Stillwater wrote:These Cavs are going to be better at moving the ball than we have seen on this roster in a long time. They are going to struggle defensively until the guards get stronger and improve techniques and positioning as well as getting owned in the paint yet again unless Henson gets minutes and does a better job of protecting the rim from what we have gotten lately.
I am not incredibly concerned about the defense on the perimeter yet as I think that Windler and KPJ are athletic enough and fast enough to reach a high level defensively after awhile.
Well, they'll sure try. Which players actually fit what Beilein wants to run is tbd.
If they don't quite get it, and we don't clear space; we'll see a lot of the old passing the ball around and nothing happening until someone forces up a contested shot.
Garland and Porter might just be good at that, but ... it's presumably not what we're shooting for.
Stillwater wrote:JonFromVA wrote:Stillwater wrote:These Cavs are going to be better at moving the ball than we have seen on this roster in a long time. They are going to struggle defensively until the guards get stronger and improve techniques and positioning as well as getting owned in the paint yet again unless Henson gets minutes and does a better job of protecting the rim from what we have gotten lately.
I am not incredibly concerned about the defense on the perimeter yet as I think that Windler and KPJ are athletic enough and fast enough to reach a high level defensively after awhile.
Well, they'll sure try. Which players actually fit what Beilein wants to run is tbd.
If they don't quite get it, and we don't clear space; we'll see a lot of the old passing the ball around and nothing happening until someone forces up a contested shot.
Garland and Porter might just be good at that, but ... it's presumably not what we're shooting for.
I mean both Garland and KPJ are already iso threats so when the ball is moving they become even more lethal if defenders don't stay attached because of the movement. This will be esp true if Sexton is pushing the pace scoring better in the paint and still hitting long range shots at a 40% clip.I also see Windler as a more than capable ball mover and high IQ presence to help keep the offense moving and not get stifled.
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Cedi is not a 4. That should be obvious by now. I hate forcing young guys to play out of position.
And Kevin isn't a Center and doesn't like playing Center, but putting 4 or 5 shooters on the floor is such an effective offensive weapon - Beilein may be tempted to see how it looks and may end up liking how it looks compared to the alternatives.
Heck, asking Windler or Porter Jr to defend SF's at this point in their career is a stretch just like asking Sexton to defend SG's.
We know Beilein values shooting, we just don't know how much it and finding minutes for the kids is going to trump other concerns at this point.
We're just left to guess since we got no crumbs out of Summer league.
I think the advantage added by a 5th shooter is far outweighed by the disadvantage of playing three guys out of position and running out the defensive version of the Washington Generals. But's that just me.