Update: Coach Lue Fired.

[jbk1234]

It's early, but I have concerns. Second game in a row where the Cavs were up big early and the other team end up making huge runs on us. It seems like our opponents make adjustments to what we do well on offense and then we have no response.

I cannot believe we don't yet have an automatic response when teams run a quick double at K. Love with their center. This is his fourth season with him and it's obvious that opposing defenses don't worry about TT when he's not running a high PNR. The Hawks were called for one illegal defense and probably could've been called for about three more. Nance should start.

We're still switching everything even when it's clearly not working. K. Love is a bad help defender rotating out of the 4. Against a center like Len, he should probably play the 5. Let Nance rotate over on those high PNRs to protect the rim. This is the NBA. The other team is going score without resistance at the rim.

Officiating is an area where Lue's silence really hurts the team. If a 19 year old rookie, playing in his third game, is using his off arm to push away or hook the defender five or six plays in a row, you've got to say something. You should probably pick up a tech tbh.

Pace. I'm fine playing up temp but maybe slow it down when the the turnovers mount and other team is starting to run away with the game. I'm particularly worried about the fast pace with our second unit.

Again it's early but getting blown out by the Hawks in your home opener shouldn't be acceptable.

[Stillwater]

Yeah they are apparently not in game shape for this style of play despite it seeming so early on when they come into their 3rd game against one of the worst rosters in the league gifting them open 3's enough so that they beat their own franchise record of made 3's. Esp after playing so well (except in the 2nd)against 2 playoff teams. The switching killed us tonight. Young looked like the same young that nobody defended in the first half of the college season.

[Truthful1]

I am ok with the loss. I would like the Cavs to get a top 3 pick in the up coming draft. On the other hand, I still want the Cavs to be competitive every game and not get blown out, that is not acceptable and embarrassing. This season should make or break Lue if he is going to be the head coach going forward.


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[Stillwater]

I am ok with the loss. I would like the Cavs to get a top 3 pick in the up coming draft. On the other hand, I still want the Cavs to be competitive every game and not get blown out, that is not acceptable and embarrassing. This season should make or break Lue if he is going to be the head coach going forward.


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I am not one to jump to conclusions 3 games in. Here are the things I see:

Lue is not experimenting with lineups, he instead is using all kinds of line ups and will continue to mix it up to get all rotation players used to playing together allowing for mistakes as tools for teaching etc.

Switching on defense is going to be a 3-4 week struggle but one they feel is necessary for overall improvement long term, along with a necessity for continuing to improve this rosters ability to outrun other teams on both sides of the ball, which they clearly are not in shape for yet...at least not all of them.

The ball movement required for this system is going to have a lot of ups and downs probably for a couple months until it is 2nd nature.

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I don't think there is any more chance this team is in the top 10 for drafting purposes than I did before the season started. We played solid against 2 playoff teams and layed an egg against a tanker.

[Trailbreaker]

Yep, still too small of a sample size to really see how we’re doing.

[Truthful1]

I am ok with the loss. I would like the Cavs to get a top 3 pick in the up coming draft. On the other hand, I still want the Cavs to be competitive every game and not get blown out, that is not acceptable and embarrassing. This season should make or break Lue if he is going to be the head coach going forward.


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I am not one to jump to conclusions 3 games in. Here are the things I see:

Lue is not experimenting with lineups, he instead is using all kinds of line ups and will continue to mix it up to get all rotation players used to playing together allowing for mistakes as tools for teaching etc.

Switching on defense is going to be a 3-4 week struggle but one they feel is necessary for overall improvement long term, along with a necessity for continuing to improve this rosters ability to outrun other teams on both sides of the ball, which they clearly are not in shape for yet...at least not all of them.

The ball movement required for this system is going to have a lot of ups and downs probably for a couple months until it is 2nd nature.

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I don't think there is any more chance this team is in the top 10 for drafting purposes than I did before the season started. We played solid against 2 playoff teams and layed an egg against a tanker.

The switching on D drives me crazy and has the last few years. The guards are always getting stuck on bigs and TT loves to come out on guards just so they can embarrass him, but I think he prefers to guard smaller players since big men dominate him even worse.


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[Stillwater]

I am ok with the loss. I would like the Cavs to get a top 3 pick in the up coming draft. On the other hand, I still want the Cavs to be competitive every game and not get blown out, that is not acceptable and embarrassing. This season should make or break Lue if he is going to be the head coach going forward.


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I am not one to jump to conclusions 3 games in. Here are the things I see:

Lue is not experimenting with lineups, he instead is using all kinds of line ups and will continue to mix it up to get all rotation players used to playing together allowing for mistakes as tools for teaching etc.

Switching on defense is going to be a 3-4 week struggle but one they feel is necessary for overall improvement long term, along with a necessity for continuing to improve this rosters ability to outrun other teams on both sides of the ball, which they clearly are not in shape for yet...at least not all of them.

The ball movement required for this system is going to have a lot of ups and downs probably for a couple months until it is 2nd nature.

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I don't think there is any more chance this team is in the top 10 for drafting purposes than I did before the season started. We played solid against 2 playoff teams and layed an egg against a tanker.

The switching on D drives me crazy and has the last few years. The guards are always getting stuck on bigs and TT loves to come out on guards just so they can embarrass him, but I think he prefers to guard smaller players since big men dominate him even worse.


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As exposed as he is offensively let's not pretend tt isn't a solid defender. If he wasn't he'd be outta the league already. The problem isn't that they are switching it's the lack of execution because they are not in good enough shape to do it at the pace they are working to master. It's going to take some time

[jbk1234]

I am not one to jump to conclusions 3 games in. Here are the things I see:

Lue is not experimenting with lineups, he instead is using all kinds of line ups and will continue to mix it up to get all rotation players used to playing together allowing for mistakes as tools for teaching etc.

Switching on defense is going to be a 3-4 week struggle but one they feel is necessary for overall improvement long term, along with a necessity for continuing to improve this rosters ability to outrun other teams on both sides of the ball, which they clearly are not in shape for yet...at least not all of them.

The ball movement required for this system is going to have a lot of ups and downs probably for a couple months until it is 2nd nature.

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I don't think there is any more chance this team is in the top 10 for drafting purposes than I did before the season started. We played solid against 2 playoff teams and layed an egg against a tanker.

The switching on D drives me crazy and has the last few years. The guards are always getting stuck on bigs and TT loves to come out on guards just so they can embarrass him, but I think he prefers to guard smaller players since big men dominate him even worse.


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As exposed as he is offensively let's not pretend tt isn't a solid defender. If he wasn't he'd be outta the league already. The problem isn't that they are switching it's the lack of execution because they are not in good enough shape to do it at the pace they are working to master. It's going to take some time

TT's a pretty awful post defender against anyone taller than him and he's most effective on the perimeter if the Cavs run an occasional trap with him. When it's just isolation, he's just okay out there.

[Stillwater]

The switching on D drives me crazy and has the last few years. The guards are always getting stuck on bigs and TT loves to come out on guards just so they can embarrass him, but I think he prefers to guard smaller players since big men dominate him even worse.


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As exposed as he is offensively let's not pretend tt isn't a solid defender. If he wasn't he'd be outta the league already. The problem isn't that they are switching it's the lack of execution because they are not in good enough shape to do it at the pace they are working to master. It's going to take some time

TT's a pretty awful post defender against anyone taller than him and he's most effective on the perimeter if the Cavs run an occasional trap with him. When it's just isolation, he's just okay out there.

I think his biggest problem in the post is simply lack of interest in expending the energy to block shots not an inability to do it. I mean that's all he did his rookie season.

[tundraknight]

Lue has always been a garbage coach.

He was just Lebrons puppet.

He looks completely lost without him. And he’s probably wondering if he’ll wake up the next day and be jobless.

If we’re going to try and find a way to look at the glass half full instead of half empty, at least Lue will make a good Tank Commander if he’s not fired anytime soon.

[Stillwater]

Lue has always been a garbage coach.

He was just Lebrons puppet.

He looks completely lost without him. And he’s probably wondering if he’ll wake up the next day and be jobless.

If we’re going to try and find a way to look at the glass half full instead of half empty, at least Lue will make a good Tank Commander if he’s not fired anytime soon.

I don't think you can fault the Coach for players not playing up to snuff... we will see after 20 games if they still are too gassed to play this system defensively if Lue gets the pink slip in favor of a boring old school system coach that doesn't have any experience. I'm inclined to think the team will get it together by then and Lue will come out of this looking smart.

[jbk1234]

I'm never going to see a starting unit with Love and Nance so long as Lue is the coach.

[Truthful1]

Lue sucks but tank commander he can be....lol. The Cavs were like 9-1 when he was out last year, then he came back and we know what happened after that. No chance at even winning one game in the finals. A line up I want to see is Nance, Love, Osman, Smith, & Sexton. Although shooting guard is a toss up, but I am done with Hood already.


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[tundraknight]

I would like the Cavs to get a top 3 pick in the up coming draft.

If the Cavaliers continue to lose many games this season and end up with a Top 3 Pick, which player would you like to Draft?

I’ve seen some fans say RJ Barrett would look good in a Cavaliers Jersey. Others mentioned Zion Williamson who is a very rare talent for his body type and an electrifying athlete. It’s going to be fun watching Duke games because all 3 of those top recruits are projected to be in the Top 5.

Also look out for UNC’s Nassir Little. Has great length, plays with a high motor and aggression. He has the tools and potential to become an elite 2 way player.

[Stillwater]

I don't buy the Cavs are going to lose like this for much longer, they are improving every game.
But if they have injuries that are long lasting it's not out of the question they make deadline moves to weaken the roster this season but retaining the young core and adding assets via trades for the future. At which point they could tank the last month to ensure the 9-10th spot instead of the 12-14 spot where it is forfeited.
If they do that the only hope of a stud pick is winning a top 2 pick imo.
I mean at 9 or 10 you are probably looking at long term project bigs in Bol Bol or Bassey as the best options.
Best case in that scenario is they get a sleeper w/ Kevin Porter or Grimes still on the board.

[Stillwater]

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Way too soon for this...so much for being optimistic on the team playing at the fast pace and eventually making it work for 4 quarters.
I now see this as the org deciding to tank hard, soon they will be trading everyone not named Sexton,Nance and Osman.
**** pathetic

[jbk1234]

I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, it's pretty early in the season to fire your coach, guys are still playing hard for the most part, and there was going to be an obvious adjustment period. On the other hand, I really do think that Drew is the better coach. If we had lost that Pacers series last year, I would've fired Lue then

Seton and Cedi turning the ball over at a fast pace is something that could conceivably get better over time. But there are things that have been a problem for years, or that seem so obviously not fixable, and you just have the feeling that Lue doesn't get it. The Cavs should have a series of set responses when other teams run a quick double at K. Love. Too often his teammates just stand there watching. Without a player like Kyrie or LBJ to run the high PNR with, TT isn't a starter in the NBA. You can't routinely play 4 on 5 offensively and be a winning team.

I also suspect that Lue's reticence with the refs is a problem. If one coach is yelling all the time, and one coach is quiet, it's human to think that you're erring in favor of the coach who isn't saying anything.

[Truthful1]

I would like the Cavs to get a top 3 pick in the up coming draft.

If the Cavaliers continue to lose many games this season and end up with a Top 3 Pick, which player would you like to Draft?

I’ve seen some fans say RJ Barrett would look good in a Cavaliers Jersey. Others mentioned Zion Williamson who is a very rare talent for his body type and an electrifying athlete. It’s going to be fun watching Duke games because all 3 of those top recruits are projected to be in the Top 5.

Also look out for UNC’s Nassir Little. Has great length, plays with a high motor and aggression. He has the tools and potential to become an elite 2 way player.

My early choice is Williamson. Size, strength, athleticism and talented.


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[Truthful1]

Both of Lebron's people, Lue and Damien Jones gone. Hopefully, TT is next. Lue should have never got his job back anyway when he was out and Drew had the 9-1 record going. I hope to see better lineups now.


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[gflem]

I am surprised this happened so early, but this is likely a good thing. Wiretap says the players are pissed. Well, they should be pissed about losing every game, and they have contributed to this so....