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Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sun Dec 9, 2018 5:32 pm
by EvanZ
Hey so I'm embarking on a litte project to compile fanbase approval ratings for the rookies your team drafted (or traded for on Draft night). Very simple poll like a Presidential approval. Use whatever subjective or objective criteria you feel is necessary to decide.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sun Dec 9, 2018 5:40 pm
by Stillwater
You won't get many real cavs fans votes here since most have bailed during the aftermath of another James deparature.
Sexton is progressing ahead of schedule, and only a Cavs hater would say otherwise at this juncture.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sun Dec 9, 2018 6:17 pm
by EvanZ
Stillwater wrote:You won't get many real cavs fans votes here since most have bailed during the aftermath of another James deparature.
Sexton is progressing ahead of schedule, and only a Cavs hater would say otherwise at this juncture.
Why would "real" Cavs fans ever bail? I was a "real" Warriors fan for 30 years in good times and bad (mostly bad). It's the bandwagoners that come and go depending on success.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sun Dec 9, 2018 9:42 pm
by Stillwater
EvanZ wrote:Stillwater wrote:You won't get many real cavs fans votes here since most have bailed during the aftermath of another James deparature.
Sexton is progressing ahead of schedule, and only a Cavs hater would say otherwise at this juncture.
Why would "real" Cavs fans ever bail? I was a "real" Warriors fan for 30 years in good times and bad (mostly bad). It's the bandwagoners that come and go depending on success.
Band wagoners were the majority of posters on these forums imo in last few years. There is a CLE site for die-hards to pump their chests together with little rational debate and there are no real discussions at all right now on here besides a few of us.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sun Dec 9, 2018 9:43 pm
by Stillwater
Who disapproved and made no comment... like I said Cavs haters will kill this poll.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:02 pm
by cavs4872
Leaning towards approve, but can't give it 100%, so undecided.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:23 pm
by JonFromVA
I approve. Collin has a lot of stuff to work on, but he's already shown he belongs in the league. What's not to like about Collin at #8?
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:25 am
by jbk1234
EvanZ wrote:Stillwater wrote:You won't get many real cavs fans votes here since most have bailed during the aftermath of another James deparature.
Sexton is progressing ahead of schedule, and only a Cavs hater would say otherwise at this juncture.
Why would "real" Cavs fans ever bail? I was a "real" Warriors fan for 30 years in good times and bad (mostly bad). It's the bandwagoners that come and go depending on success.
This is inappropriate Stillwater and you know better. A lot of Cavs fans primarily use RealCavsFan.comAs far as Sexton, he was a great pick. The only other guy available in that range was even a consideration is Bridges.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:41 am
by Stillwater
^yep some drop off in Cavs fans on here is to be expected I guess during a losing season...is all I meant.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:36 pm
by JonFromVA
Stillwater wrote:^yep some drop off in Cavs fans on here is to be expected I guess during a losing season...is all I meant.
RCF gets a massive drop off as well. A lot of fans will simply tune out a tank, and that's not exclusive to RealGM.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:03 pm
by Stillwater
JonFromVA wrote:Stillwater wrote:^yep some drop off in Cavs fans on here is to be expected I guess during a losing season...is all I meant.
RCF gets a massive drop off as well. A lot of fans will simply tune out a tank, and that's not exclusive to RealGM.
Makes sense I guess.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:14 pm
by JonFromVA
Also while Collin is doing pretty well as a rookie, he hasn't seemed to capture the attention of the fan base like Irving or James did once upon a time. I think a lot of fans wrote him off because they were hoping for ... somebody else in the draft. Not that SGA, Wendell Carter or Michael Porter Jr would be drawing hordes down to the Q... Even if Trae Young fell to us, fans were pretty divisive with him, and would be going back & forth non-stop between his terrible shooting .vs. his promising play-making.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:21 pm
by Stillwater
Most fans I speak to outside of online forums know damn well the draft although a great way to acquire future assets is not something they get too excited about, because unless you are drafting a upperclassman who can come in right away and produce ( which is usually not the case for teams in the lottery) There is always a delay in the type of return the org gets and so drafting a player with Sextons work ethic etc is far more hopeful than say a great shooter with a bad motor.
I think if Lebron was staying and had said as much, without the successful moving of the pick they would have drafted Mikal to provide immediate help. Drafting Sexton was the smartest move they could have made esp considering Lebron left.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:59 am
by JonFromVA
Stillwater wrote:Most fans I speak to outside of online forums know damn well the draft although a great way to acquire future assets is not something they get too excited about, because unless you are drafting a upperclassman who can come in right away and produce ( which is usually not the case for teams in the lottery) There is always a delay in the type of return the org gets and so drafting a player with Sextons work ethic etc is far more hopeful than say a great shooter with a bad motor.
I think if Lebron was staying and had said as much, without the successful moving of the pick they would have drafted Mikal to provide immediate help. Drafting Sexton was the smartest move they could have made esp considering Lebron left.
You may be right, but I would have hoped they still drafted Sexton. The Cavs never have anything left in the tank when LeBron leaves, because they never pay anything forward. You've got to take the hit on young talent, coach 'em up, find ways they can help, and then you get your payoff later.
The Spurs "wasted" a season of Tim Duncan and David Robinson the year they drafted Parker as they lost in the second round; but Pops stuck with him and they won a championship the following season. Ginobili was a 25 year old rookie that season still learning the NBA, but Pops actually increased his minutes during the playoffs.
We desperately need a real GM, a real coach, a real scouting dept, and a commitment to player development.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Mon Apr 1, 2019 5:18 pm
by Jamaaliver
An excerpt:
Collin Sexton, if we’re honest, belongs on NBA’s all-rookie first team
Three months ago Cavaliers coach Larry Drew probably would not have voted for Collin Sexton.
Same for his teammates.
Sexton’s a lock to make one of the two teams. But, if we’re all being honest here, he should be chosen in the top five. Why? He convinced his toughest critics.
“One hundred percent, I respect how he’s responded,” Kevin Love said.
Sexton’s accomplishments as a rookie, from a historical context, should make him a shoo-in for first team.
Sexton has his warts. He’s played every game for a bad team, as in, the third-worst in the NBA. He’s a point guard and he really struggles to move the ball, averaging just 2.8 assists, and his defensive rating (117.0) is among the worst in the league. Then again, he plays for the worst defensive team in the league overall. It’s no surprise that a shortish, wiry, barely 20-year-old has had some rough nights in the pick-and-roll.
“He’s had a great second half,” Love said. “It’s all about how you finish, too. He’s had some statistics for rookies that nobody, that few guys have done. Like I said, you trend like that in your rookie year and you can’t name enough guys at the top, I think for sure.
The Athletic
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Thu Apr 4, 2019 4:37 am
by WestbrookLove
I like Collin and thought the knee-jerk criticism he received from many fans early on was shallow. Unlike, say, a certain Andrew Wiggins, this guy has a motor and cares. He's clearly willing to learn and get better.
That being said, I'm still not sure what his NBA ceiling is. I want to see him more with Love next season. Want to see how he continues to develop.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:17 pm
by gflem
WestbrookLove wrote:I like Collin and thought the knee-jerk criticism he received from many fans early on was shallow. Unlike, say, a certain Andrew Wiggins, this guy has a motor and cares. He's clearly willing to learn and get better.
That being said, I'm still not sure what his NBA ceiling is. I want to see him more with Love next season. Want to see how he continues to develop.
I agree with you on his ceiling. I thought for the first 2/3 of the season he would be nothing more than a poor man's Jeff Teague, but I didnt think it would be fair to a 20 year old to say something like that. But he seems to have figured out a few things. His shooting has been far better than the experts predicted, so in all I think his rookie season has been promising for us Cavs fans.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:23 pm
by Stillwater
Cavs need a 19 year old LOB catching Machine that can run with Sexton...his dime rate would have been blown up just like Youngs was with Collins in ATL. Young is overrated and it's so bad now I even want to believe I've missed something.
Sexton was and remains the better prospect once he develops as he has already shown the work ethic and results etc
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Tue Apr 9, 2019 7:34 pm
by Jamaaliver
^Snatch up Jaxson Hayes as your lob threat and let this develop into the next great rivalry in the East.
Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:49 pm
by Stillwater
Jamaaliver wrote:^Snatch up Jaxson Hayes as your lob threat and let this develop into the next great rivalry in the East.
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