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Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated)

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Since these threads have been combined who you got at 5

Culver
12
43%
Sekou
1
4%
Hunter
4
14%
Hayes
1
4%
Porter K
2
7%
Garland
2
7%
Bitdatze
1
4%
White
0
No votes
Bol
2
7%
other
3
11%
 
Total votes: 28

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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#301 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 9, 2019 8:16 pm

Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:This team could definitely benefit from his defense but his offensive skill set is too limited imo not being a good initiator(poor ball handler), basket attacking finisher(due to poor explosiveness and finesse) or long range shooter( high % but very low attempt rate)
To me Hunter is a lock down defender who couldn't be a 3rd option on a contender and is too old to believe he will add those skills.
I would take Sekou , Culver and even White before I took Hunter if Barrett is gone.


Both Butler and Leonard came into the league with limited offensive games. I don't know but it seems like the bad defenders never become good, or even passable defenders. I think I'd rather draft a guy who will give me elite defense but who has a limited offensive game, than draft the next TJ Warren or Clarkson at No. 5.

Culver is a solid defender and a better offensive prospect imo. Sekou is only 18 and already a better offensive player with the physical tools to become an elite defender despite only showing solid weak side blocking and ability to stay in front of anyone on the perimeter , should be the top target imo with Barrett probably gone at 3 or 4 and Culver taken too.
To me 5 is too high for a defensive specialist.


I get a bit of a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none vibe from Culver. I don't see a single skill I consider him elite at. He's a good defender for a guard. Is there anything else you'd say he's good at? He sees the floor okay. He's an okay passer. He's a meh shooter. His handle is alright. I worry he projects out to average starting 2 guard. Is that the guy you want to draft at No. 5?
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#302 » by Stillwater » Sun Jun 9, 2019 10:24 pm

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Both Butler and Leonard came into the league with limited offensive games. I don't know but it seems like the bad defenders never become good, or even passable defenders. I think I'd rather draft a guy who will give me elite defense but who has a limited offensive game, than draft the next TJ Warren or Clarkson at No. 5.

Culver is a solid defender and a better offensive prospect imo. Sekou is only 18 and already a better offensive player with the physical tools to become an elite defender despite only showing solid weak side blocking and ability to stay in front of anyone on the perimeter , should be the top target imo with Barrett probably gone at 3 or 4 and Culver taken too.
To me 5 is too high for a defensive specialist.


I get a bit of a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none vibe from Culver. I don't see a single skill I consider him elite at. He's a good defender for a guard. Is there anything else you'd say he's good at? He sees the floor okay. He's an okay passer. He's a meh shooter. His handle is alright. I worry he projects out to average starting 2 guard. Is that the guy you want to draft at No. 5?

He isn't elite at anything yet that much is true and I get what you are saying and my biggest concern with him is on ball skills are a little bit overrated having been in that role much of his sophomore season, but I think his BBiq is very high proven by his reads, passing etc. His ability to play off ball will have to be the judge of what most teams project his ceiling at unless they want him in a role similar to one he had last season like the Cavs likely will.
I think overall he might not be the best option at 5 and personally I would rather take Sekou or even Bol with clean medicals at 5 because I think both of them have higher ceilings than Hunter Culver and White but my feeling is this org will like Culvers versatility as a secondary playmaker on ball or as a catch and shoot off ball cutter with a baseline skillset with room for improvement as a shooter much in the same way as they like Barrett. Plus he is a work ethic machine and gym rat much in the same mold as Sexton
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#303 » by Stillwater » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:43 am

In this one the Cavs get the 13 from Miami and steal the guy I want at 5 after taking the last guy I would take at 5 based on his college campaign but one that has shown more in workouts than he showed at Duke and does have elite tools enough so that I'm starting to buy into the fact that this org will be high on him esp if Barrett and Culver are taken. I also have the Cavs trading out of the 26 to pick up 2 early 2nds where they grab a versatile center and a high caliber but injured 3&D prospect.
Sekou and Reddish will both see some time in the g-league whereas Fernando will be behind other bigs until they are moved and Okeke will probably redshirt most if not all of the season. These picks assure the Cavs steady progression going forward and remain in the top 10 next years draft where they can further bolster the roster..https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/599228/
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#304 » by Revenged25 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:35 am

Stillwater wrote:In this one the Cavs get the 13 from Miami and steal the guy I want at 5 after taking the last guy I would take at 5 based on his college campaign but one that has shown more in workouts than he showed at Duke and does have elite tools enough so that I'm starting to buy into the fact that this org will be high on him esp if Barrett and Culver are taken. I also have the Cavs trading out of the 26 to pick up 2 early 2nds where they grab a versatile center and a high caliber but injured 3&D prospect.
Sekou and Reddish will both see some time in the g-league whereas Fernando will be behind other bigs until they are moved and Okeke will probably redshirt most if not all of the season. These picks assure the Cavs steady progression going forward and remain in the top 10 next years draft where they can further bolster the roster..https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/599228/


I think Reddish and Sekou would make a great pairing in this draft I think and one I'm hoping for.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#305 » by Stillwater » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:37 am

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:In this one the Cavs get the 13 from Miami and steal the guy I want at 5 after taking the last guy I would take at 5 based on his college campaign but one that has shown more in workouts than he showed at Duke and does have elite tools enough so that I'm starting to buy into the fact that this org will be high on him esp if Barrett and Culver are taken. I also have the Cavs trading out of the 26 to pick up 2 early 2nds where they grab a versatile center and a high caliber but injured 3&D prospect.
Sekou and Reddish will both see some time in the g-league whereas Fernando will be behind other bigs until they are moved and Okeke will probably redshirt most if not all of the season. These picks assure the Cavs steady progression going forward and remain in the top 10 next years draft where they can further bolster the roster..https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/599228/


I think Reddish and Sekou would make a great pairing in this draft I think and one I'm hoping for.
yeah was not at all high on reddish during the season but after hearing he may have had legit reasons physically due to a core muscle issue that he got surgery for recently makes me think Cavs could consider it given Beilein would love having a prospect with his tools to work with.
i still wouldnt take him over Sekou but they might.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#306 » by Stillwater » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:24 am

IN this one Cavs go berzerker for high upside after ATL gets Beal from WAS who decide to retool with Wall out ...Cavs then trade down with WAS for 8 and 9 giving up the 5th and get the 13 from Miami for eating James Johnsons contract swap with J.R. Smith's deal.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#307 » by Revenged25 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:24 pm

Stillwater wrote:IN this one Cavs go berzerker for high upside after ATL gets Beal from WAS who decide to retool with Wall out ...Cavs then trade down with WAS for 8 and 9 giving up the 5th and get the 13 from Miami for eating James Johnsons contract swap with J.R. Smith's deal.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/599941/



I could live with that.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#308 » by Stillwater » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:54 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:IN this one Cavs go berzerker for high upside after ATL gets Beal from WAS who decide to retool with Wall out ...Cavs then trade down with WAS for 8 and 9 giving up the 5th and get the 13 from Miami for eating James Johnsons contract swap with J.R. Smith's deal.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/599941/



I could live with that.
lol
yeah its not likely but i was bored..
i think they will stay at 5 if they cant trade up for barrett or ja and probably are more likely to get 16 for eating a yr of Mozgov in a swap for smith and 26. i think they will take Culver,Hunter or White & maybe gamble on Reddish or Sekou then take an elite upside boom bust at 16 if one falls ...maybe Little KPorter or Bol falls to there. If not one of Chuma,Langford,Herro,Kabengele,Rui,Goga or my sleeper there: Jaylen Nowell
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#309 » by Revenged25 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:55 pm

Stillwater wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:IN this one Cavs go berzerker for high upside after ATL gets Beal from WAS who decide to retool with Wall out ...Cavs then trade down with WAS for 8 and 9 giving up the 5th and get the 13 from Miami for eating James Johnsons contract swap with J.R. Smith's deal.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/599941/



I could live with that.
lol
yeah its not likely but i was bored..
i think they will stay at 5 if they cant trade up for barrett or ja and probably are more likely to get 16 for eating a yr of Mozgov in a swap for smith and 26. i think they will take Culver,Hunter or White & maybe gamble on Reddish or Sekou then take an elite upside boom bust at 16 if one falls ...maybe Little KPorter or Bol falls to there. If not one of Chuma,Langford,Herro,Kabengele,Rui,Goga or my sleeper there: Jaylen Nowell


Based on the ATL/BRK trade, I'm not even sure if the Cavs would be required to give up #26, at least without getting another asset in return.
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Post#310 » by Stillwater » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:02 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
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I could live with that.
lol
yeah its not likely but i was bored..
i think they will stay at 5 if they cant trade up for barrett or ja and probably are more likely to get 16 for eating a yr of Mozgov in a swap for smith and 26. i think they will take Culver,Hunter or White & maybe gamble on Reddish or Sekou then take an elite upside boom bust at 16 if one falls ...maybe Little KPorter or Bol falls to there. If not one of Chuma,Langford,Herro,Kabengele,Rui,Goga or my sleeper there: Jaylen Nowell


Based on the ATL/BRK trade, I'm not even sure if the Cavs would be required to give up #26, at least without getting another asset in return.

Hopefully not but realistically for tax reasons would probably not want 3 1sts. Unless they are confident to get under the tax moving other players. I mean if ORL gave up more than 16 so they could get 26 it would be a future 2nd or a young player like Frazier and the ORL 2nd at 46th in 2019.
Obviously #13 from Miami is the ultimate goal before the draft so they can use it and 5 to move up to #3 or walk away with 2 lottery prospects..
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#311 » by Revenged25 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Stillwater wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:lol
yeah its not likely but i was bored..
i think they will stay at 5 if they cant trade up for barrett or ja and probably are more likely to get 16 for eating a yr of Mozgov in a swap for smith and 26. i think they will take Culver,Hunter or White & maybe gamble on Reddish or Sekou then take an elite upside boom bust at 16 if one falls ...maybe Little KPorter or Bol falls to there. If not one of Chuma,Langford,Herro,Kabengele,Rui,Goga or my sleeper there: Jaylen Nowell


Based on the ATL/BRK trade, I'm not even sure if the Cavs would be required to give up #26, at least without getting another asset in return.

Hopefully not but realistically for tax reasons would probably not want 3 1sts. Unless they are confident to get under the tax moving other players. I mean if ORL gave up more than 16 so they could get 26 it would be a future 2nd or a young player like Frazier and the ORL 2nd at 46th in 2019.
Obviously #13 from Miami is the ultimate goal before the draft so they can use it and 5 to move up to #3 or walk away with 2 lottery prospects..


Well if the Cavs got the #16, or #13 even, while still keeping the #26, I would expect them to try and use them to move up into/higher into the lottery, or packaged with another player for a better return + cap savings. Maybe TT + 26 for Eric Gordon for example, or something else along those lines.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#312 » by Stillwater » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:14 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Based on the ATL/BRK trade, I'm not even sure if the Cavs would be required to give up #26, at least without getting another asset in return.

Hopefully not but realistically for tax reasons would probably not want 3 1sts. Unless they are confident to get under the tax moving other players. I mean if ORL gave up more than 16 so they could get 26 it would be a future 2nd or a young player like Frazier and the ORL 2nd at 46th in 2019.
Obviously #13 from Miami is the ultimate goal before the draft so they can use it and 5 to move up to #3 or walk away with 2 lottery prospects..


Well if the Cavs got the #16, or #13 even, while still keeping the #26, I would expect them to try and use them to move up into/higher into the lottery, or packaged with another player for a better return + cap savings. Maybe TT + 26 for Eric Gordon for example, or something else along those lines.

Well lets say they get a pre draft deal done moving Smith , and after acquiring the 13 or 16 will still likely have to wait until on the clock draft plays to move up based on players available etc. I mean trading 5 and 13 for 3 is a longshot before the draft where NY will be fielding all offers depending on who is there. There is still a possibility Memphis takes somebody besides JA even though the odds are stacked against it.
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Post#313 » by Stillwater » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:55 am

In this one Cavs are able to get two lottery picks by trading down with ATL who were high on Reddish and Hunter and so with Reddish surprisingly going 4th to Pels, They agree to move up to ensure they got Hunter.
Cavs also decide to take on 1 yr of Mozgov from ORL who needs the space to chase DLo and Cavs give up the 26 to get it as well.
Cavs walk away with Sekou whos stock is on the rise, White who slides some and KPJ who although not without risk has elite upside.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/601602/
I would much rather they walked away from this draft with this package of high upside players that are all versatile position defenders and interchangeable in a Beilein system than Culver or Hunter at 5 and probably a much lesser ceiling player late.
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Post#314 » by Stillwater » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:23 pm

In this one Cavs make surprise picks as they cannot get ATL to give up 8 and 10 so they just take the guy they really wanted at 8 despite not being the highest on their board at 5 much to the surprise of many...but did have a standout combine is an elite explosive athlete was a preseason top 5 pick and despite his struggles in ROY Williams system is more than capable of being a Jalen Brown type player at the next level and higher upside than Hunter,Culver etc.
They also get the ORL pick by eating Mozgov's 1 yr albatross for Smith and take a freakish body wing with underrated off ball skills.
Then late they get a steal 4/5 shot blocker that can defend the 3 as well and shoot the 3 with ease.https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/601966/
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Post#315 » by King Ken » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:27 pm

Stillwater wouldn't it be better if you focused on your team's picks and not ours which you highly likely won't get.
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Post#316 » by Stillwater » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:54 pm

King Ken wrote:Stillwater wouldn't it be better if you focused on your team's picks and not ours which you highly likely won't get.

Nope since there was always a chance ATL is looking to move up I figure CLE would consider it depending on who is gone needing more pieces than ATL . But yeah the difference between players at 5 and 8 isn't much on paper unless PHO trades out and CHI takes a wing, leaving them less options and moving up is just a matter of ensuring a guy higher on the ATL big board and nothing more really of incentive for them.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#317 » by King Ken » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:00 pm

Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:Stillwater wouldn't it be better if you focused on your team's picks and not ours which you highly likely won't get.

Nope since there was always a chance ATL is looking to move up I figure CLE would consider it depending on who is gone needing more pieces than ATL . But yeah the difference between players at 5 and 8 isn't much on paper unless PHO trades out and CHI takes a wing, leaving them less options and moving up is just a matter of ensuring a guy higher on the ATL big board and nothing more really of incentive for them.

There is a chance you can get AD, you create posts all day drawing up AD to CLE ideas?
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#318 » by Stillwater » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:21 am

King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:Stillwater wouldn't it be better if you focused on your team's picks and not ours which you highly likely won't get.

Nope since there was always a chance ATL is looking to move up I figure CLE would consider it depending on who is gone needing more pieces than ATL . But yeah the difference between players at 5 and 8 isn't much on paper unless PHO trades out and CHI takes a wing, leaving them less options and moving up is just a matter of ensuring a guy higher on the ATL big board and nothing more really of incentive for them.

There is a chance you can get AD, you create posts all day drawing up AD to CLE ideas?

This is the Cavs thread , if you don't like my mock drafts that include high possibility moves by orgs In the lottery than go back to the hawks thread.
I personally hope they just draft with some balls at 5 instead of the safe pick and then a trade down wouldn't be necessary... but when it's all said and done it very easily could happen that ATL moves up and gets the high floor Hunter at 5 and CLE gets the stud future all star at 8.
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Re: Stillwater's monster draft thread (consolidated) 

Post#319 » by Stillwater » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:49 pm

IN this one Cavs keep 5th and take Coby White and move up to 16 from 26 for Rui also picking up the 46th to use on a project big.
There is a lot of shuffling in the top 4 with WAS sending Beal to Pels facilitating and AD trade then trading to #2 for the 4 they get from sending Beal and #9 and a future all to get Barrett.
ATL moves up a couple spots to secure Reddish from PHO who has no PG options left on the board.
Boston gets 15th for 20 and 22 from DET.
OKC gets Lavine for 21st a future top 5 protected and Schroeder
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Post#320 » by Stillwater » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:15 pm

Cavs take Culver at 5 Sekou falls into their lap at 13 from Miami and Kabengele is a steal at 26.
Now that Pels have the 4th I think anything goes there where they could be picking for somebody else
as trade bait or for themselves with intention of flipping Ball but the latter seems more difficult but I have them moving Ball to CHI for 7 and Dunnhttps://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/602513/
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