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Stillwater wrote:? what is the point of this

Pop Daddy wrote:

Stillwater wrote:? what is the point of this

to try and figure out why David Griffin said what he did at this time. But I guess the real root of it, was he is saying what Durant said "no one wants to play with lebron" but you are probably mad cause you disagree

Pop Daddy wrote:Lebron makes it so you could never have long term success, and he kills all the joy of working in the league , but I dont want to get him and his people too mad at me, so I will hold back a bit

gflem wrote:I think what he was trying to say is that once Lebron decided to come back he lost his ability to guide the franchise back to prominence his way. He could not build a lasting program ala the Spurs. His vision was thrown out the window, and Lebron's opinion on how to move forward, who to sign took precedence over everything else.
He sounded bitter about the loss of power, but how could the team, and ownership say no to Lebron coming back? His comments are a bit holier than thou to me, if he really felt so castrated by Lebron's return, he should have bailed immediately. I always respected the job he did, and will always give him credit for the moves he made in order to get this team to a title and four straight finals appearances, and NO, Lebron didnt do it by himself, but he looks a bit like a whiner after these comments to me, like someone who was willing to accept the accolades he got at the time but would rather have come close his way than win it all while catering to what Lebron wanted/needed.

gflem wrote:I think what he was trying to say is that once Lebron decided to come back he lost his ability to guide the franchise back to prominence his way. He could not build a lasting program ala the Spurs. His vision was thrown out the window, and Lebron's opinion on how to move forward, who to sign took precedence over everything else.
He sounded bitter about the loss of power, but how could the team, and ownership say no to Lebron coming back? His comments are a bit holier than thou to me, if he really felt so castrated by Lebron's return, he should have bailed immediately. I always respected the job he did, and will always give him credit for the moves he made in order to get this team to a title and four straight finals appearances, and NO, Lebron didnt do it by himself, but he looks a bit like a whiner after these comments to me, like someone who was willing to accept the accolades he got at the time but would rather have come close his way than win it all while catering to what Lebron wanted/needed.

JonFromVA wrote:

gflem wrote:I think what he was trying to say is that once Lebron decided to come back he lost his ability to guide the franchise back to prominence his way.

I don't know that Griff has the first clue how to build a long lasting program ala the Spurs. Maybe he would have enjoyed the chance to try to figure it out all the while under little pressure to win. But if he had a little Pops in his head asking him constantly "What would the Spurs do" ... he sure wasn't listening to it, or convincing others in the organization to.

His main focus was to deal with locker-room chemistry issues, and that was trivial for LeBron to manipulate; but did he do anything to stop LeBron's manipulations? Hardly. He was just out of his league.

And that's really on Dan.

Ferry? Grant? Griff? Lue? Altman? Blatt? Brown? ... what the heck did any of those guys know about building a championship?

The only reason they were shocked James returned in 2014 was because they'd bungled their opportunity to build a young promising team on the rise. Chris Grant knew there was a chance James would return ... Rich Paul had told him. So yeah, he invites James to Z's retirement ceremony. Unfortunately, that and collecting picks were about the only thing he got right.

So, really ... what exactly were any of them qualified to do besides tank, sell off assets, and kowtow to James?

gflem wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

gflem wrote:I think what he was trying to say is that once Lebron decided to come back he lost his ability to guide the franchise back to prominence his way.

I don't know that Griff has the first clue how to build a long lasting program ala the Spurs. Maybe he would have enjoyed the chance to try to figure it out all the while under little pressure to win. But if he had a little Pops in his head asking him constantly "What would the Spurs do" ... he sure wasn't listening to it, or convincing others in the organization to.

His main focus was to deal with locker-room chemistry issues, and that was trivial for LeBron to manipulate; but did he do anything to stop LeBron's manipulations? Hardly. He was just out of his league.

And that's really on Dan.

Ferry? Grant? Griff? Lue? Altman? Blatt? Brown? ... what the heck did any of those guys know about building a championship?

The only reason they were shocked James returned in 2014 was because they'd bungled their opportunity to build a young promising team on the rise. Chris Grant knew there was a chance James would return ... Rich Paul had told him. So yeah, he invites James to Z's retirement ceremony. Unfortunately, that and collecting picks were about the only thing he got right.

So, really ... what exactly were any of them qualified to do besides tank, sell off assets, and kowtow to James?

I dont disagree with anything you said here. I just think that in his mind he had a plan and that Lebron returning blew that plan up. In some way he should be thanking Lebron but he just doesnt seem to see it that way.