Game 3: Cleveland Cavaliers (1-1) @ Milwaukee Bucks (1-1) - 8:00 PM

ducler · Post #1 » by **ducler** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:41 pm

Post #2 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:56 pm

Bucks going to be mad after losing to the Heat in overtime. This could get ugly quick.

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Stillwater · Post #3 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:06 am

I think we can hang with them for awhile, but Henson is hurt again already...so probably wont get enough stops in the paint to get the win.

Post #4 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:12 am

I think Sexton should guard Bledsoe. Put Garland on Matthews.

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Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:28 am

We going to play Cedi 48 minutes this game?

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Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:37 am

One of my pet peeves about NBA officiating is how they announce POE before the season and the officials go back to calling the game the same as ever before the first week is over. That change of pivot foot travel by Lopez was obvious and went uncalled.

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Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:43 am

I don't really care about a single travel call but did we really have watch 80 of them in the preseason if this is how it was going to be? Also Gianis commits a lot of uncalled offensive fouls. A lot. He's not LBJ. He's not looking to pass.

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engelmartin · Post #8 » by **engelmartin** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:10 am

Made this for you guys:

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:15 am

They're playing the same defense against as Orlando. We're going to have to win or lose with Sexton and Garland shooting more threes in order to drag that defense out of the paint.

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Post #10 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:27 am

Maybe more of that TT/Love high PNR because Lopez really doesn't want to leave the key.

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Post #11 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:52 am

It's still really, really early but we have too many poor defenders.

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Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:58 am

We should give it seven more games but Garland might have to come off the bench.

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Stillwater · Post #13 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:09 am

Clarkson remains good enough for this org to justify giving him a fair offer to continue in his 6 man role. if there are no damn good dl offers. im guessing given the Klutch rep change he will bail, but might be the Cavs that offer the most.
Garland doesnt look strong too me at all. i think maybe they are pushing him or hes pushing himself too much before in nba game shape.
his defense might be worse than Sextons was to start his rookie season. but at least garland has decent length similar to sexton where he can maybe become passable as a defender as Sexton is already turning the corner in that regard

Stillwater · Post #14 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:11 am

jbk1234 wrote:We should give it seven more games but Garland might have to come off the bench.

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if hes not phsically ready maybe otherwise i think they leave him in the fire and see if he develops.

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:49 am

Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:We should give it seven more games but Garland might have to come off the bench.

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if hes not phsically ready maybe otherwise i think they leave him in the fire and see if he develops.

Leaving Sexton in the fire was one thing when Love was hurt and you had guys like Hood or Burks on the roster who were at least passable defenders in the back court. But a starting unit whose defense is this poor is a bit demoralizing.

I'd probably bring Garland in as a sixth man and start Clarkson. Revisit around mid-season. Our young guys have a long way to go. It's not just game shape, their frames need to fill out a bit.

Someone would have to get traded for me to consider re-signing Clarkson. Right now I'm not 100% sold as Sexton or Garland as guys with high ceilings as starters and I'm less than 50% confident that they can realistically start together. There's a decent chance one of them will be our sixth man long-term.

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Revenged25 · Post #16 » by **Revenged25** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:59 pm

This team is young and it showed this game. There was a lot of good stuff to take away from the game and a lot of bad stuff that can be chalked up to youth/inexperience that can be worked on over the next 2-3 years.

If TT can continue to show off the new offensive skills he's added to his game we might be able to get a pretty good return for him at the DL. With what he's shown in the first 3 games, he is definitely worth his contract and possibly more.

Post #17 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:52 pm

Revenged25 wrote:This team is young and it showed this game. There was a lot of good stuff to take away from the game and a lot of bad stuff that can be chalked up to youth/inexperience that can be worked on over the next 2-3 years.

If TT can continue to show off the new offensive skills he's added to his game we might be able to get a pretty good return for him at the DL. With what he's shown in the first 3 games, he is definitely worth his contract and possibly more.

I'm willing to give it more time but I just don't think you can hide Sexton, Garland, and Love on defense. Hiding a single guy on defense is easy enough. Hiding two is really, really hard. You can't hide three. It's not possible. The premise is unworkable.

Revenged25 · Post #18 » by **Revenged25** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:37 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:This team is young and it showed this game. There was a lot of good stuff to take away from the game and a lot of bad stuff that can be chalked up to youth/inexperience that can be worked on over the next 2-3 years.

If TT can continue to show off the new offensive skills he's added to his game we might be able to get a pretty good return for him at the DL. With what he's shown in the first 3 games, he is definitely worth his contract and possibly more.

I'm willing to give it more time but I just don't think you can hide Sexton, Garland, and Love on defense. Hiding a single guy on defense is easy enough. Hiding two is really, really hard. You can't hide three. It's not possible. The premise is unworkable.

Sexton has looked a lot better defensively, though inconsistent still, and Garland is still a rookie. Love I think is getting his defensive deficiencies exaggerated right now. He's not a defensive stalwart by any means, but as long as who he is on isn't vastly more athletic or just straight up stronger than him, he does well enough to make them work for it. If you are talking about Love getting switched onto guards, well most bigs struggle with that, and those that don't are typically bad offensively. It's a trade-off.

The big thing I saw against the Bucks defensively that I would like them to fix is how they seemed to let the ball carrier get next to them and open up an easy bucket driving from 5+ feet behind the 3pt line straight to the hoop with no one rotating to contest it in the paint. It happened quite a few times and either they need to have someone rotating to contest or they need to get back and squared up faster so that drive isn't available to be exploited.

Granted Orlando and Milwaukee are both great teams and they have some good length, so it's going to be especially hard for this roster to deal with them, but simple things like that will go a long way in improving the defense.

Post #19 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:This team is young and it showed this game. There was a lot of good stuff to take away from the game and a lot of bad stuff that can be chalked up to youth/inexperience that can be worked on over the next 2-3 years.

If TT can continue to show off the new offensive skills he's added to his game we might be able to get a pretty good return for him at the DL. With what he's shown in the first 3 games, he is definitely worth his contract and possibly more.

I'm willing to give it more time but I just don't think you can hide Sexton, Garland, and Love on defense. Hiding a single guy on defense is easy enough. Hiding two is really, really hard. You can't hide three. It's not possible. The premise is unworkable.

Sexton has looked a lot better defensively, though inconsistent still, and Garland is still a rookie. Love I think is getting his defensive deficiencies exaggerated right now. He's not a defensive stalwart by any means, but as long as who he is on isn't vastly more athletic or just straight up stronger than him, he does well enough to make them work for it. If you are talking about Love getting switched onto guards, well most bigs struggle with that, and those that don't are typically bad offensively. It's a trade-off.

The big thing I saw against the Bucks defensively that I would like them to fix is how they seemed to let the ball carrier get next to them and open up an easy bucket driving from 5+ feet behind the 3pt line straight to the hoop with no one rotating to contest it in the paint. It happened quite a few times and either they need to have someone rotating to contest or they need to get back and squared up faster so that drive isn't available to be exploited.

Granted Orlando and Milwaukee are both great teams and they have some good length, so it's going to be especially hard for this roster to deal with them, but simple things like that will go a long way in improving the defense.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this as fixable without Garland going to the bench. We have yet to play a team with two good guards. Frankly, I think people make too much of 19-year old rookies starting from day one. Letting him get minutes on the second unit until the game slows down shouldn't be considered a sign of failure on anyone's part.

Revenged25 · Post #20 » by **Revenged25** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:39 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this as fixable without Garland going to the bench. We have yet to play a team with two good guards. Frankly, I think people make too much of 19-year old rookies starting from day one. Letting him get minutes on the second unit until the game slows down shouldn't be considered a sign of failure on anyone's part.

Oh I have nothing against moving Garland to coming off the bench, at least give it a try, maybe even put KPJ in the starting unit so we have a little more size at the 2 guard, I was just commenting on the idea that the Sexton/Garland, as well as Sexton/Garland/Love, pairing can't work as I took it as it will never work. I think teams with more length at guard will take advantage of them, but if they both put in the effort and start making the small steps to keep from giving up the easy baskets it could work, then it'll a trade off worth living with.