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who will be the Cavs top target in the draft ? who is next ? vote for 2

Edwards
4
24%
Wiseman
4
24%
Okongwu
1
6%
Okoro
0
No votes
Ball
2
12%
Hayes
0
No votes
Avdija
2
12%
Vassell
0
No votes
Toppin
4
24%
others
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 17

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Re: draft target 

Post#21 » by Revenged25 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:59 pm

Stillwater wrote:
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Stillwater wrote:I have concerns about pretty much every highly ranked prospect in this draft besides Okongwu and Vassell because i see in both ceilings being just as high as the others as it pertains to actual attainable reality
I would love for them to gamble on Wiseman being the next Embiid but he could easily be Jaret allen his whole career. Same goes for Edwards he could be Jimmy Butler or he could be nothing more than Norman Powell but at least the floor is reasonable.
Ball has no real comp and i think it keeps him polarizing but unless those decisions on and off court are a lot better as a adult which i dont trust he will not only be a flight risk his odds of working match Johnny football.
Hayes is interesting if Garland is outgoing because i think he can become a decent defensive player...but he might never be and rarely uses his right hand so his versatility as a finisher is ltd until he does.
Side note;
Personally think Sexton showed so much in those few games under jb as a distributor he really should be the starting pg going forward and if they draft a guard it should be an off ball defender that can shoot like Vassell unless they think Kpj cant handle defending 3s. I think kpj is more than capable as a sf or sg with his iso ability.


With his length, what do you think of Vassell defeding 3's?

yeah 6'10" isnt great but his awareness and speed should make him more than capable on switches. imo his offensive arsenol is also a little underrated given he moves the ball really well as a secondary handler and that high release is golden.


It's longer than KPJ, though only by 1 inch, and he's about 2 inches taller than KPJ. Granted KPJ is thicker and it's something that Vassell will need to work on, but I think between the two of them they could easily work defending the 2/3. I've actually been coming around to Vassell more and more as an option for the Cavs. Granted I still prefer Avdija, but that's because I think his overall skillset and work ethic could be a great fit for this team with his ability to distribute, rebound, defend, and score but also not needing to have the ball in his hands due to a high BBIQ.
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Re: draft target 

Post#22 » by Stillwater » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:57 am

Revenged25 wrote:
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With his length, what do you think of Vassell defeding 3's?

yeah 6'10" isnt great but his awareness and speed should make him more than capable on switches. imo his offensive arsenol is also a little underrated given he moves the ball really well as a secondary handler and that high release is golden.


It's longer than KPJ, though only by 1 inch, and he's about 2 inches taller than KPJ. Granted KPJ is thicker and it's something that Vassell will need to work on, but I think between the two of them they could easily work defending the 2/3. I've actually been coming around to Vassell more and more as an option for the Cavs. Granted I still prefer Avdija, but that's because I think his overall skillset and work ethic could be a great fit for this team with his ability to distribute, rebound, defend, and score but also not needing to have the ball in his hands due to a high BBIQ.

Yeah Vassell can put the ball on the floor well but he isnt the ball handler Edwards is or the slasher finisher Okoro is so he gets less top rankings but hes a much higher iq player and alot better shooter than either and more than just catch and shoot offensive wise. I think Vassell showed enough as a passer cutter and defensively to think hes just as high iq as Avdija maybe more defensively.
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Re: draft target 

Post#23 » by Stillwater » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:28 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/699059/
IN this one I have CLE passing on Edwards at 3 after Wiseman and Okongwu go one two in the draft. They move down to 6 and 15 from Wolves.
Cavs then take the high floor 3/d Vassell at 6 and the high ceiling stretch 4/5 Smith. (Oturu may be a option as well) at 15-17 wherever the 2nd Wolves pick is at.
Then for the hell of it I have the Cavs trade some future assets and McKinnie to SAC for a chance to develop Achiuwa who slides to the early 2nd.
Then in the late 2nd Cavs take a pick off Phi hands since they are shopping those and never using all of them anyway , and the Cavs grab the best rebounding swingman in the country.
This would be a damn good use of assets in the 2nd should either of those slide(doubtful) but even moreso a solid use of a trade down package.
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Re: draft target 

Post#24 » by gflem » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:18 pm

Stillwater wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/699059/
IN this one I have CLE passing on Edwards at 3 after Wiseman and Okongwu go one two in the draft. They move down to 6 and 15 from Wolves.
Cavs then take the high floor 3/d Vassell at 6 and the high ceiling stretch 4/5 Smith. (Oturu may be a option as well) at 15-17 wherever the 2nd Wolves pick is at.
Then for the hell of it I have the Cavs trade some future assets and McKinnie to SAC for a chance to develop Achiuwa who slides to the early 2nd.
Then in the late 2nd Cavs take a pick off Phi hands since they are shopping those and never using all of them anyway , and the Cavs grab the best rebounding swingman in the country.
This would be a damn good use of assets in the 2nd should either of those slide(doubtful) but even moreso a solid use of a trade down package.

I wouldn't hate this, I am high on Smith and would love to see the Cavs find a way to get him, but I see him as more of a 4 than a 5. I think Achiuwa is Tyrus Thomas though, and would rather take a shot at Kaleb Wesson in your scenario, I like his offensive ability and size but I don't see him being able to switch defensively on pnr where Achiuwa has that ability albeit at a different position. I can't say I know much about Hinton. Vassel at 6 is decent value, and who knows, maybe great value but at 6'5" he is the same size as KPJ, and fwiw I think Edwards has much higher star/franchise type potential so it would be hard for me to pass on him if he is there at our draft spot.
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Re: draft target 

Post#25 » by Stillwater » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:57 am

gflem wrote:
Stillwater wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/699059/
IN this one I have CLE passing on Edwards at 3 after Wiseman and Okongwu go one two in the draft. They move down to 6 and 15 from Wolves.
Cavs then take the high floor 3/d Vassell at 6 and the high ceiling stretch 4/5 Smith. (Oturu may be a option as well) at 15-17 wherever the 2nd Wolves pick is at.
Then for the hell of it I have the Cavs trade some future assets and McKinnie to SAC for a chance to develop Achiuwa who slides to the early 2nd.
Then in the late 2nd Cavs take a pick off Phi hands since they are shopping those and never using all of them anyway , and the Cavs grab the best rebounding swingman in the country.
This would be a damn good use of assets in the 2nd should either of those slide(doubtful) but even moreso a solid use of a trade down package.

I wouldn't hate this, I am high on Smith and would love to see the Cavs find a way to get him, but I see him as more of a 4 than a 5. I think Achiuwa is Tyrus Thomas though, and would rather take a shot at Kaleb Wesson in your scenario, I like his offensive ability and size but I don't see him being able to switch defensively on pnr where Achiuwa has that ability albeit at a different position. I can't say I know much about Hinton. Vassel at 6 is decent value, and who knows, maybe great value but at 6'5" he is the same size as KPJ, and fwiw I think Edwards has much higher star/franchise type potential so it would be hard for me to pass on him if he is there at our draft spot.
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Yeah im not completely sold Edwards has star potential any more than Vassell. I think neither are that level without high usage. I doubt they will take Edwards though not as a first or even 2nd option but they definitely could use him as trade down bait His handle is the one thing that makes him high lottery worthy for a swingman imo and somebody might trade up for him.
I think Vassell is a more rounded prospect.
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Re: draft target 

Post#26 » by Stillwater » Thu Aug 6, 2020 10:33 pm

aside from obvious targets, one prospect that is really still a huge sleeper imo and should get late first looks but probably will slide to mid 2nd is Breein Tyree . his arsenol was on display all season as a senior and would be a real nice pickup if they can get a 2nd round pick to add him to the core. He plays defense has good athleticism for a pg and he can shoot it from the logo. He looked last year in college what most of us hoped DG would be in the NBA. I think the similarities are real close. Difference is one is already developed and if nothing else gives you a damn good idea of what DG could have been had he not been injured. We are never going to see DG capable of attacking the basket above the rim imo.
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Re: draft target 

Post#27 » by gflem » Fri Aug 7, 2020 9:57 pm

Stillwater wrote:aside from obvious targets, one prospect that is really still a huge sleeper imo and should get late first looks but probably will slide to mid 2nd is Breein Tyree . his arsenol was on display all season as a senior and would be a real nice pickup if they can get a 2nd round pick to add him to the core. He plays defense has good athleticism for a pg and he can shoot it from the logo. He looked last year in college what most of us hoped DG would be in the NBA. I think the similarities are real close. Difference is one is already developed and if nothing else gives you a damn good idea of what DG could have been had he not been injured. We are never going to see DG capable of attacking the basket above the rim imo.
https://youtu.be/sZgseIsXhg4

Nice highlight reel. Looks intriguing, but Bennett had a good highlight reel as well. Of course, he want first overall lol. Where is Tyree mocked? I can honestly say I didn't even know his name before you posted it. Where/how would you suggest the Cavs draft him? Not going to happen with Garland here imo, but who knows right?
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Re: draft target 

Post#28 » by Stillwater » Fri Aug 7, 2020 11:43 pm

gflem wrote:
Stillwater wrote:aside from obvious targets, one prospect that is really still a huge sleeper imo and should get late first looks but probably will slide to mid 2nd is Breein Tyree . his arsenol was on display all season as a senior and would be a real nice pickup if they can get a 2nd round pick to add him to the core. He plays defense has good athleticism for a pg and he can shoot it from the logo. He looked last year in college what most of us hoped DG would be in the NBA. I think the similarities are real close. Difference is one is already developed and if nothing else gives you a damn good idea of what DG could have been had he not been injured. We are never going to see DG capable of attacking the basket above the rim imo.
https://youtu.be/sZgseIsXhg4

Nice highlight reel. Looks intriguing, but Bennett had a good highlight reel as well. Of course, he want first overall lol. Where is Tyree mocked? I can honestly say I didn't even know his name before you posted it. Where/how would you suggest the Cavs draft him? Not going to happen with Garland here imo, but who knows right?

I am not sure anyone is mocking him which tells me just how bad the media scouting has been with no tournament or buzz building workouts etc.They rely so much on that as opposed to true scouting dept. analysis protocols.
I mean he turns 23 in JAN of 21 but he is proven as a clutch game on the line scorer shooter and is pretty damn explosive for a 6'2 or whatever he is prospect but he has a few flaws like every other prospect but he should get drafted just based on the speed and athleticism paired with the shooting skills but there are always undersized combo prospects like this that slip through the cracks esp in this draft with so many more polarizing guards at younger ages. I have seen enough from him the last few seasons to think he is more than capable of running a 2nd unit and clearly is capable of coming off the bench in a 6th man role to add a scoring punch in crunch time.
I'd buy a late first for him just to put pressure on the current guard core , but I doubt that would ever happen with names like Flynn,Mannion or Maledon likely still also available, so imo a mid-late 2nd if he is still available is a no brainer buy in.
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