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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#61 » by JonFromVA » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:45 pm

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:not getting personal here with the generalities bs so let that go...
I will tell you that I dont hate DG as a 6th man type which is exactly what I saw him as pre draft and what he might be able to achieve but at this point not even sure I am confident he can be that .
at the time of the pick my only gripe was I just liked others ahead of him at the time of the draft for fit esp and also for upside on this roster esp given my faith in Sextons development as a lead ball ahndler despite few opinions matching that and lets be honest ...I was right to think that.
So I did not like the idea of another 1 way combo guard who was undersized to get it done defensively outside of his mirror...
and the real kicker is DG had less speed length and athleticism as the one the Cavs already had in Sexton who at least has the physical ability and length to handle some switches as his BBIQ increases defensively etc etc.

Garland should not be a starting pg in the NBA until he earns it...not just based on what we saw from him in his 1 season in the NBA, but because he maybe never should have been targetted as such given his ball handling strengths and ability to get his shot off by creating space was always his greatest attribute esp if the shot starts falling. If it doesnt start falling what is he? a meh defender a meh scoring threat and a avg at best distributor because nobody will be open except him when he is the ball handler.


You know what he is? A rook. A rook who was asked to focus on initiating the offense rather then working on his dribble-shoot game because Collin couldn't. He may turn out to be far more or far less than you imagine, but it takes time to find out.

The real question is whether he will be willing to work on the things he needs to do to advance his game ... and don't know why you don't see it ... but I think he's already demonstrated he will. Combined with his intelligence, attitude, bbiq, passing, dribbling, and shooting you should be spending less time worrying and more time anticipating.

I think you're seeing Darius as a repudiation of Collin, and hold that against him, but the Cavs talked to Collin before drafting Darius and he was excited to try to make it work.

Yeah I cannot figure out why you are so confident in his trajectory when he hasnt improved much since he was draft at all. I guess he gets a pass because he was thrown in the fire next to a ball dominant guard and add that he wasnt strong enough or healthy enough or maybe you can place blame on Beilein which would be more understandable.
In the end he is not better than Sexton has shown, and he definitely has to have a really impressive season to make up for his poor showing in yr 1. Some like yourself for whatever reason are still falling for his upside but the truth is he was drafted to be some high floor ball handler floor gen that could knock down shots in an emty gym and his overall skillset despite being solid for the 5th overall pick didnt come close to transfering to the pros. Maybe after a full offseason we will see the next phase and I can get on board with your optimism, right now I am just hoping he can become a rotation level pro.


Again your mixing the truth with your opinion, and failing to see what was going on right on the floor this season.

How hard is it to let a young skinny player coming off injury to work his way in to nba shape and develop an nba body before deciding there are things he will never do playing against grown men?
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#62 » by Stillwater » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:45 pm

Realistic option ...what do you think ?
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/773425/
Cavs trade down from 5 to 10 s/t Oubre or trade for him with one year left on a handshake deal
draft Poku that playmaking stretch 3-4 and stash him on premise he also might even be able to play some at the 5 longterm with decent size if he can add some mass.
Then buy the Nets pick or somewhere in that range Miami pick is also being shopped and add Jalen Smith to the front court rotation where he can learn to improve his defense outside the
paint and continue to work on his floor stretching ability. While offering a decent rim running rim protection option early.
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#63 » by Stillwater » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:08 am

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
You know what he is? A rook. A rook who was asked to focus on initiating the offense rather then working on his dribble-shoot game because Collin couldn't. He may turn out to be far more or far less than you imagine, but it takes time to find out.

The real question is whether he will be willing to work on the things he needs to do to advance his game ... and don't know why you don't see it ... but I think he's already demonstrated he will. Combined with his intelligence, attitude, bbiq, passing, dribbling, and shooting you should be spending less time worrying and more time anticipating.

I think you're seeing Darius as a repudiation of Collin, and hold that against him, but the Cavs talked to Collin before drafting Darius and he was excited to try to make it work.

Yeah I cannot figure out why you are so confident in his trajectory when he hasnt improved much since he was draft at all. I guess he gets a pass because he was thrown in the fire next to a ball dominant guard and add that he wasnt strong enough or healthy enough or maybe you can place blame on Beilein which would be more understandable.
In the end he is not better than Sexton has shown, and he definitely has to have a really impressive season to make up for his poor showing in yr 1. Some like yourself for whatever reason are still falling for his upside but the truth is he was drafted to be some high floor ball handler floor gen that could knock down shots in an emty gym and his overall skillset despite being solid for the 5th overall pick didnt come close to transfering to the pros. Maybe after a full offseason we will see the next phase and I can get on board with your optimism, right now I am just hoping he can become a rotation level pro.


Again your mixing the truth with your opinion, and failing to see what was going on right on the floor this season.

How hard is it to let a young skinny player coming off injury to work his way in to nba shape and develop an nba body before deciding there are things he will never do playing against grown men?

& you are pretending that is the case apparently to justify your irrational optimism.
Its almost like you get the impression I hate him or something. I told you before I thought picking him was a bad choice given the small sample size , injury history, lack of length to defend etc on top of Sextons progression and my confidence in it. The way I see it neither one of them are good for the other and clearly cannot coexist so both were probably worse than they could have been without each other. I dont think hes done improving and I do think he could be a 6th man type, but most were thinking it was Sexton that was the 6th man type ceiling which was false.
Most of the things DG did well pre nba he didnt do well enough based on the level of competition and the lack of strength but some things like his shooting % and offensive creation should have transfered but didnt either
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#64 » by jbk1234 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:49 am

Stillwater wrote:Realistic option ...what do you think ?
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/773425/
Cavs trade down from 5 to 10 s/t Oubre or trade for him with one year left on a handshake deal
draft Poku that playmaking stretch 3-4 and stash him on premise he also might even be able to play some at the 5 longterm with decent size if he can add some mass.
Then buy the Nets pick or somewhere in that range Miami pick is also being shopped and add Jalen Smith to the front court rotation where he can learn to improve his defense outside the
paint and continue to work on his floor stretching ability. While offering a decent rim running rim protection option early.
Oubre is unrestricted so one of three things happens: 1) He has a career year (unlikely) and you've got to max him to keep him; 2) He's the same high usage meh efficiency energy guy he's always been. He steps all over the development of Windler, KPJ, and Garland. Cavs probably still have to overpay to keep him in this scenario; 3) He doesn't play well, loses minutes in a contract year, and makes a stink about it. Both parties go there separate ways.

The Cavs should not trade for the young man.

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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#65 » by Stillwater » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Realistic option ...what do you think ?
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/773425/
Cavs trade down from 5 to 10 s/t Oubre or trade for him with one year left on a handshake deal
draft Poku that playmaking stretch 3-4 and stash him on premise he also might even be able to play some at the 5 longterm with decent size if he can add some mass.
Then buy the Nets pick or somewhere in that range Miami pick is also being shopped and add Jalen Smith to the front court rotation where he can learn to improve his defense outside the
paint and continue to work on his floor stretching ability. While offering a decent rim running rim protection option early.
Oubre is unrestricted so one of three things happens: 1) He has a career year (unlikely) and you've got to max him to keep him; 2) He's the same high usage meh efficiency energy guy he's always been. He steps all over the development of Windler, KPJ, and Garland. Cavs probably still have to overpay to keep him in this scenario; 3) He doesn't play well and loses minutes in a contract year, and makes a stink about it. Both parties go there separate ways.

The Cavs should not trade for the young man.

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yeah when you put it that way lol...
I do think they should try to get into Poku and or Smith range esp if they can flip that 5 for 21 1st from a late lottery projected team
I mean I could just change my trade to 5 for 10 and Mikal
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#66 » by JonFromVA » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:55 am

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Yeah I cannot figure out why you are so confident in his trajectory when he hasnt improved much since he was draft at all. I guess he gets a pass because he was thrown in the fire next to a ball dominant guard and add that he wasnt strong enough or healthy enough or maybe you can place blame on Beilein which would be more understandable.
In the end he is not better than Sexton has shown, and he definitely has to have a really impressive season to make up for his poor showing in yr 1. Some like yourself for whatever reason are still falling for his upside but the truth is he was drafted to be some high floor ball handler floor gen that could knock down shots in an emty gym and his overall skillset despite being solid for the 5th overall pick didnt come close to transfering to the pros. Maybe after a full offseason we will see the next phase and I can get on board with your optimism, right now I am just hoping he can become a rotation level pro.


Again your mixing the truth with your opinion, and failing to see what was going on right on the floor this season.

How hard is it to let a young skinny player coming off injury to work his way in to nba shape and develop an nba body before deciding there are things he will never do playing against grown men?

& you are pretending that is the case apparently to justify your irrational optimism.
Its almost like you get the impression I hate him or something. I told you before I thought picking him was a bad choice given the small sample size , injury history, lack of length to defend etc on top of Sextons progression and my confidence in it. The way I see it neither one of them are good for the other and clearly cannot coexist so both were probably worse than they could have been without each other. I dont think hes done improving and I do think he could be a 6th man type, but most were thinking it was Sexton that was the 6th man type ceiling which was false.
Most of the things DG did well pre nba he didnt do well enough based on the level of competition and the lack of strength but some things like his shooting % and offensive creation should have transfered but didnt either


Again you used the phrase "the truth is" without evidence or proof so sure sounds like an opinion to me.

I don't even think you notice you're doing it which is why I keep pointing it out to you.

You're of course welcome to your opinion and you may even be proven right but if you could be bothered to consider other opinions or provide an evidence based argument, you might convince others.

If you're looking for reasons to like or dislike a player, you will see them. If you care about the truth, though, you will try your best to see both sides
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#67 » by Stillwater » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:58 am

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Again your mixing the truth with your opinion, and failing to see what was going on right on the floor this season.

How hard is it to let a young skinny player coming off injury to work his way in to nba shape and develop an nba body before deciding there are things he will never do playing against grown men?

& you are pretending that is the case apparently to justify your irrational optimism.
Its almost like you get the impression I hate him or something. I told you before I thought picking him was a bad choice given the small sample size , injury history, lack of length to defend etc on top of Sextons progression and my confidence in it. The way I see it neither one of them are good for the other and clearly cannot coexist so both were probably worse than they could have been without each other. I dont think hes done improving and I do think he could be a 6th man type, but most were thinking it was Sexton that was the 6th man type ceiling which was false.
Most of the things DG did well pre nba he didnt do well enough based on the level of competition and the lack of strength but some things like his shooting % and offensive creation should have transfered but didnt either


Again you used the phrase "the truth is" without evidence or proof so sure sounds like an opinion to me.

I don't even think you notice you're doing it which is why I keep pointing it out to you.

You're of course welcome to your opinion and you may even be proven right but if you could be bothered to consider other opinions or provide an evidence based argument, you might convince others.

If you're looking for reasons to like or dislike a player, you will see them. If you care about the truth, though, you will try your best to see both sides

the reasoning was a dig on your own justification for them taking him not mine
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#68 » by JonFromVA » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:46 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Realistic option ...what do you think ?
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/773425/
Cavs trade down from 5 to 10 s/t Oubre or trade for him with one year left on a handshake deal
draft Poku that playmaking stretch 3-4 and stash him on premise he also might even be able to play some at the 5 longterm with decent size if he can add some mass.
Then buy the Nets pick or somewhere in that range Miami pick is also being shopped and add Jalen Smith to the front court rotation where he can learn to improve his defense outside the
paint and continue to work on his floor stretching ability. While offering a decent rim running rim protection option early.
Oubre is unrestricted so one of three things happens: 1) He has a career year (unlikely) and you've got to max him to keep him; 2) He's the same high usage meh efficiency energy guy he's always been. He steps all over the development of Windler, KPJ, and Garland. Cavs probably still have to overpay to keep him in this scenario; 3) He doesn't play well, loses minutes in a contract year, and makes a stink about it. Both parties go there separate ways.

The Cavs should not trade for the young man.


If the Suns want to trade him rather than pay him, I suspect Oubre hasnt changed that much since the Wizards traded him. If I remember right he had a rep as a low bbiq knucklehead and he wore them out.
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#69 » by JonFromVA » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:54 am

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:& you are pretending that is the case apparently to justify your irrational optimism.
Its almost like you get the impression I hate him or something. I told you before I thought picking him was a bad choice given the small sample size , injury history, lack of length to defend etc on top of Sextons progression and my confidence in it. The way I see it neither one of them are good for the other and clearly cannot coexist so both were probably worse than they could have been without each other. I dont think hes done improving and I do think he could be a 6th man type, but most were thinking it was Sexton that was the 6th man type ceiling which was false.
Most of the things DG did well pre nba he didnt do well enough based on the level of competition and the lack of strength but some things like his shooting % and offensive creation should have transfered but didnt either


Again you used the phrase "the truth is" without evidence or proof so sure sounds like an opinion to me.

I don't even think you notice you're doing it which is why I keep pointing it out to you.

You're of course welcome to your opinion and you may even be proven right but if you could be bothered to consider other opinions or provide an evidence based argument, you might convince others.

If you're looking for reasons to like or dislike a player, you will see them. If you care about the truth, though, you will try your best to see both sides

the reasoning was a dig on your own justification for them taking him not mine


My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#70 » by jbk1234 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:06 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Again you used the phrase "the truth is" without evidence or proof so sure sounds like an opinion to me.

I don't even think you notice you're doing it which is why I keep pointing it out to you.

You're of course welcome to your opinion and you may even be proven right but if you could be bothered to consider other opinions or provide an evidence based argument, you might convince others.

If you're looking for reasons to like or dislike a player, you will see them. If you care about the truth, though, you will try your best to see both sides

the reasoning was a dig on your own justification for them taking him not mine


My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him
Yeah, it's still way early to be rendering final judgments. Also, starting him together with Sexton was a disaster for both players.

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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#71 » by Stillwater » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:37 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Again you used the phrase "the truth is" without evidence or proof so sure sounds like an opinion to me.

I don't even think you notice you're doing it which is why I keep pointing it out to you.

You're of course welcome to your opinion and you may even be proven right but if you could be bothered to consider other opinions or provide an evidence based argument, you might convince others.

If you're looking for reasons to like or dislike a player, you will see them. If you care about the truth, though, you will try your best to see both sides

the reasoning was a dig on your own justification for them taking him not mine


My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him

Nothing about his game that was promising has materialized at the pro level. That is a fact not an opinion
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#72 » by Stillwater » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:43 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:the reasoning was a dig on your own justification for them taking him not mine


My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him
Yeah, it's still way early to be rendering final judgments. Also, starting him together with Sexton was a disaster for both players.

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Yeah I am not rendering a final judgement I am just calling it how I see it...he has yet to have done much to justify the pick as most rookies dont but this back and forth with other posters is more about his hang up on why they picked him or something.
I think there was some Klutch influence and DG did have a lot of NBA connections and backing so there is no question imo it influenced the selection and gave them confidence that he would be a solid pro, which as of right now is in question
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#73 » by jbk1234 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:06 pm

Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him
Yeah, it's still way early to be rendering final judgments. Also, starting him together with Sexton was a disaster for both players.

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Yeah I am not rendering a final judgement I am just calling it how I see it...he has yet to have done much to justify the pick as most rookies dont but this back and forth with other posters is more about his hang up on why they picked him or something.
I think there was some Klutch influence and DG did have a lot of NBA connections and backing so there is no question imo it influenced the selection and gave them confidence that he would be a solid pro, which as of right now is in question
They picked him because they got jumped by the Hawks, who took Hunter, and he was BPA. It's still unclear as to whether as he was.

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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#74 » by JonFromVA » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:10 pm

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:the reasoning was a dig on your own justification for them taking him not mine


My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him


Nothing about his game that was promising has materialized at the pro level. That is a fact not an opinion


Facts are things you can prove. What you have is a hypothesis that with minor investment on your behalf could perhaps be raised to the level of theory.
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#75 » by JonFromVA » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:24 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Yeah, it's still way early to be rendering final judgments. Also, starting him together with Sexton was a disaster for both players.

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Yeah I am not rendering a final judgement I am just calling it how I see it...he has yet to have done much to justify the pick as most rookies dont but this back and forth with other posters is more about his hang up on why they picked him or something.
I think there was some Klutch influence and DG did have a lot of NBA connections and backing so there is no question imo it influenced the selection and gave them confidence that he would be a solid pro, which as of right now is in question


They picked him because they got jumped by the Hawks, who took Hunter, and he was BPA. It's still unclear as to whether as he was.


According to Joe Vardon, or who?

I'm sure Hunter was high on their list especially when Garland was expected to be drafted by the Lakers; but he wouldn't have solved the issue with Sexton's inability to run an offense.

If they really wanted a wing who could help Sexton, they could have gone with Culver. Maybe even rolled the dice on Reddish. But none of the 3 really had the whole package to compliment Sexton as a shooter/defender that would help run the offense.

IMO, the Cavs found a player who could create and shoot in Garland and felt they had a coach who could make it work because of his success with his 2-guard offense at Michigan. They approached Sexton and cleared it with him as well.
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#76 » by jbk1234 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:14 am

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Yeah I am not rendering a final judgement I am just calling it how I see it...he has yet to have done much to justify the pick as most rookies dont but this back and forth with other posters is more about his hang up on why they picked him or something.
I think there was some Klutch influence and DG did have a lot of NBA connections and backing so there is no question imo it influenced the selection and gave them confidence that he would be a solid pro, which as of right now is in question


They picked him because they got jumped by the Hawks, who took Hunter, and he was BPA. It's still unclear as to whether as he was.


According to Joe Vardon, or who?

I'm sure Hunter was high on their list especially when Garland was expected to be drafted by the Lakers; but he wouldn't have solved the issue with Sexton's inability to run an offense.

If they really wanted a wing who could help Sexton, they could have gone with Culver. Maybe even rolled the dice on Reddish. But none of the 3 really had the whole package to compliment Sexton as a shooter/defender that would help run the offense.

IMO, the Cavs found a player who could create and shoot in Garland and felt they had a coach who could make it work because of his success with his 2-guard offense at Michigan. They approached Sexton and cleared it with him as well.
Last season's debacle wasn't an orphan, it had many, many parents. This is Sexton's third year, he'll reproduce what he pulled off in the second half of last season in terms of assists, or not. As I've said before, the Cavs have some very serious decisions to make and a lot of evaluation that need to happen in the first half of this season.

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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#77 » by Stillwater » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:04 am

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
My claims are based on things the Cavs and others have said about DG ... yours seem to be based on your disbelief that anyone could like him as a prospect and must had been tricked or fooled in to taking him


Nothing about his game that was promising has materialized at the pro level. That is a fact not an opinion


Facts are things you can prove. What you have is a hypothesis that with minor investment on your behalf could perhaps be raised to the level of theory.

sure thing buddy smh
Darius proved my point all by himself I dont need to look up and post someone elses opinion to make it true
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#78 » by JonFromVA » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:32 pm

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Nothing about his game that was promising has materialized at the pro level. That is a fact not an opinion


Facts are things you can prove. What you have is a hypothesis that with minor investment on your behalf could perhaps be raised to the level of theory.

sure thing buddy smh
Darius proved my point all by himself I dont need to look up and post someone elses opinion to make it true


The confusion comes from you implying that you've been paying attention to other people's opinions. I can just assume this is never the case in the future, though, if you prefer.
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#79 » by Stillwater » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:44 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Facts are things you can prove. What you have is a hypothesis that with minor investment on your behalf could perhaps be raised to the level of theory.

sure thing buddy smh
Darius proved my point all by himself I dont need to look up and post someone elses opinion to make it true


The confusion comes from you implying that you've been paying attention to other people's opinions. I can just assume this is never the case in the future, though, if you prefer.

I literally haver no clue where your animosity comes from regarding my opinions compared to yours which is what they are btw your opinions and nothing more. You want to hitch your wagon to the Cavs front office explanations as gospel that is fine but it doesnt make it any more true than what I see on the court. Altman is saying things like DG had a pretty good season which by all accounts discredits him for me completely and I dont believe anything he says in his public relations degree stances.
What I see is what I think not what somebody else says based on what they read. If you are standing there saying you are impressed with DG for what he showed on the court than say it loud without falling back on the orgs takes about their mistake
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now harnessed a semi- permanent hypnagogic state of consciousness
where the painted dream of the wayward soul is false reality bliss-
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Re: Mock and big board thread for 2020 lottery and beyond 

Post#80 » by JonFromVA » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:39 pm

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:sure thing buddy smh
Darius proved my point all by himself I dont need to look up and post someone elses opinion to make it true


The confusion comes from you implying that you've been paying attention to other people's opinions. I can just assume this is never the case in the future, though, if you prefer.


I literally haver no clue where your animosity comes from regarding my opinions compared to yours which is what they are btw your opinions and nothing more. You want to hitch your wagon to the Cavs front office explanations as gospel that is fine but it doesnt make it any more true than what I see on the court. Altman is saying things like DG had a pretty good season which by all accounts discredits him for me completely and I dont believe anything he says in his public relations degree stances.
What I see is what I think not what somebody else says based on what they read. If you are standing there saying you are impressed with DG for what he showed on the court than say it loud without falling back on the orgs takes about their mistake


Nah, you're way off base again. I'm not even sure what's upsetting you. All I'm asking is that when you state your own opinion that you use the word "I" rather than "We" or "Everyone", etc, etc.

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