Cavs 2020-21 season

[Stillwater]

I get the injury situation, but I'd keep looking. If Collins didn't get concussed, that was going to be a really ugly game.

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Keep looking where? Unless there is a trade for a real starting PF there isn't anything really possible.

I'm all for upgrades, but Wade is better than most people seem to realize. The problem is staying available/staying healthy.
Soooo if he can do that he will be a rotation 4 in the NBA pretty easily esp if he keeps showing his athleticism around the rim
where he can alter outcomes

[jbk1234]

I get the injury situation, but I'd keep looking. If Collins didn't get concussed, that was going to be a really ugly game.

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Keep looking where? Unless there is a trade for a real starting PF there isn't anything really possible.

There's an entire minor league system filled with guys who are out there.

[Revenged25]

I get the injury situation, but I'd keep looking. If Collins didn't get concussed, that was going to be a really ugly game.

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Keep looking where? Unless there is a trade for a real starting PF there isn't anything really possible.

There's an entire minor league system filled with guys who are out there.

Pretty sure them guaranteeing the contract is saying that the ones that are available aren't better than Wade. Just because someone is in the G-League doesn't mean they're actually available.

[JonFromVA]

I get the injury situation, but I'd keep looking. If Collins didn't get concussed, that was going to be a really ugly game.

Wade's second start .vs. Houston was pretty promising. We've had Dean in our system for a while now, no reason we shouldn't give him a nice long look before dumping him. We desperately need players who can legitimately space the floor in the starting lineup and coming off the bench.

[jbk1234]

I get the injury situation, but I'd keep looking. If Collins didn't get concussed, that was going to be a really ugly game.

Wade's second start .vs. Houston was pretty promising. We've had Dean in our system for a while now, no reason we shouldn't give him a nice long look before dumping him. We desperately need players who can legitimately space the floor in the starting lineup and coming off the bench.

Again, Houston didn't really have a PF in that line up. He's just quick enough to get by in the half court against meh small ball lineups. But he's not anything other than a second or even third string guy IMO. We're playing the Sixers tomorrow, and I think he's going to have his hands full with T. Harris who is a bit of tweener himself.

[JonFromVA]

I get the injury situation, but I'd keep looking. If Collins didn't get concussed, that was going to be a really ugly game.

Wade's second start .vs. Houston was pretty promising. We've had Dean in our system for a while now, no reason we shouldn't give him a nice long look before dumping him. We desperately need players who can legitimately space the floor in the starting lineup and coming off the bench.

Again, Houston didn't really have a PF in that line up. He's just quick enough to get by in the half court against meh small ball lineups. But he's not anything other than a second or even third string guy IMO. We're playing the Sixers tomorrow, and I think he's going to have his hands full with T. Harris who is a bit of tweener himself.

I imagine Dean's going to have his hands full most nights, but we need floor spacing and his quickness/length can be an asset for help defense. In this version of the NBA, giving up post-ups in exchange for 3pters is a legit trade-off.

Anybody we bring in from the GLeague is a no-stringer ... might as well give the kid who's been on the roster for over a year a shot and see what we've got.

[jbk1234]

Wade's second start .vs. Houston was pretty promising. We've had Dean in our system for a while now, no reason we shouldn't give him a nice long look before dumping him. We desperately need players who can legitimately space the floor in the starting lineup and coming off the bench.

Again, Houston didn't really have a PF in that line up. He's just quick enough to get by in the half court against meh small ball lineups. But he's not anything other than a second or even third string guy IMO. We're playing the Sixers tomorrow, and I think he's going to have his hands full with T. Harris who is a bit of tweener himself.

I imagine Dean's going to have his hands full most nights, but we need floor spacing and his quickness/length can be an asset for help defense. In this version of the NBA, giving up post-ups in exchange for 3pters is a legit trade-off.

Anybody we bring in from the GLeague is a no-stringer ... might as well give the kid who's been on the roster for over a year a shot and see what we've got.

You'll have to forgive me if I plan on tempering my expectations.

[JonFromVA]

Again, Houston didn't really have a PF in that line up. He's just quick enough to get by in the half court against meh small ball lineups. But he's not anything other than a second or even third string guy IMO. We're playing the Sixers tomorrow, and I think he's going to have his hands full with T. Harris who is a bit of tweener himself.

I imagine Dean's going to have his hands full most nights, but we need floor spacing and his quickness/length can be an asset for help defense. In this version of the NBA, giving up post-ups in exchange for 3pters is a legit trade-off.

Anybody we bring in from the GLeague is a no-stringer ... might as well give the kid who's been on the roster for over a year a shot and see what we've got.

You'll have to forgive me if I plan on tempering my expectations.

We might have to take away your fan card if you can't get excited about seeing what an undrafted rookie can do.

But seriously ... we need more shooting and for way too many reasons it's hard to count on Love and Nance staying healthy, and I don't think Nance has quite turned the corner in to a player defenses fear to leave open - and that's the difference between a guy who can shoot 3's and a guy who can space the floor.

[Harper4Ferry?]

Wade can be aggregated in a trade, I believe, which makes him far more valuable than any other GLeague superstar out there. Anyways, I don't mind Wade. He's not bashful about shooting, I'll give him that for sure.

[Revenged25]

Here are some averages for a players 3rd year, tell me who they are.

24.9 ppg/4.7 apg/4.5 rpg/0.9 spg/3.6 TO
23.8 ppg/4.3 apg/2.6 rpg/1.1 spg/2.9 TO
24.0 ppg/4.3 apg/4.4 rpg/1.0 spg/2.5 TO

[jbk1234]

Here are some averages for a players 3rd year, tell me who they are.

24.9 ppg/4.7 apg/4.5 rpg/0.9 spg/3.6 TO
23.8 ppg/4.3 apg/2.6 rpg/1.1 spg/2.9 TO
24.0 ppg/4.3 apg/4.4 rpg/1.0 spg/2.5 TO

The middle one is Sexton.

[Revenged25]

Here are some averages for a players 3rd year, tell me who they are.

24.9 ppg/4.7 apg/4.5 rpg/0.9 spg/3.6 TO
23.8 ppg/4.3 apg/2.6 rpg/1.1 spg/2.9 TO
24.0 ppg/4.3 apg/4.4 rpg/1.0 spg/2.5 TO

The middle one is Sexton.

The other 2 are Devin Booker and Donovoan Mitchell. Looks pretty similar to me.

[jbk1234]

Here are some averages for a players 3rd year, tell me who they are.

24.9 ppg/4.7 apg/4.5 rpg/0.9 spg/3.6 TO
23.8 ppg/4.3 apg/2.6 rpg/1.1 spg/2.9 TO
24.0 ppg/4.3 apg/4.4 rpg/1.0 spg/2.5 TO

The middle one is Sexton.

The other 2 are Devin Booker and Donovoan Mitchell. Looks pretty similar to me.

I don't know the answer to this, but I wonder if they had the same type of variances in their games where they'd get 30+ against poor defensive teams and then struggle, to the same extent that Sexton does, against better defenders and better defensive teams. That's my primary concern with him on the offensive end. There's a level of defensive after which Sexton isn't even minimally effective anymore.

[JonFromVA]

The middle one is Sexton.

The other 2 are Devin Booker and Donovoan Mitchell. Looks pretty similar to me.

I don't know the answer to this, but I wonder if they had the same type of variances in their games where they'd get 30+ against poor defensive teams and then struggle, to the same extent that Sexton does, against better defenders and better defensive teams. That's my primary concern with him on the offensive end. There's a level of defensive after which Sexton isn't even minimally effective anymore.

The league doesn't really start to write a book on a player until their team becomes a factor in the playoffs, albeit they'll start scheming once a player single handedly wins some games. Collin started to become a threat in that area after the Nets wins, but in most cases there's going to be a correlation between level of play and level of competition.

I don't have a problem with the comparison, but those aren't all the stats we should be looking at; and Collin will have every chance to try to respond to what the leagues comes up with to slow him down. How hard is it to know where your shooters are, who's giving help on D, and pass the ball back out to whoever should be open?

[Stillwater]

Isaiah Todd #7 is climbing my board for the 21 draft He gets less attention than Kuminga and Green on the same team but he could easily be a top 3 big in this class as is. Seems to be pretty decent shooter from several levels and should be versatile enough to play the 4 or the 5 full time but I like him at the 4 next to Jfro if they miss out on Kuminga and others in the high lottery
here is a short recent game highlight against the charge I think he is athletic enough to defend 3-5 or at least 3-4 as well but this mostly just shows some scoring ability

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also note the broderick thomas steal and dish at the 1:14 minute mark on the game clock for the Charge (1:48 mark of video)

[murphyslamz]

Do you guys have any idea when Larry Nance comes back?

Also what do you guys see his role as with a healthy Kevin love? Over/under 30 mins a game?

[Stillwater]

Do you guys have any idea when Larry Nance comes back?

Also what do you guys see his role as with a healthy Kevin love? Over/under 30 mins a game?

Yeah Hes not available for anything short of a late lottery pick imo. Too important for this roster with his defensive dominance before injury evident by the ten game losing streak immediately after his exit...to just move him for anything less.
He will play more than KLove if both are healthy at this point imo or play together alot.
But if they do get a ridiculous offer for LNJ and take it i'd be surprised too since most teams interested are contenders and dont hold any lottery picks.

[jbk1234]

Do you guys have any idea when Larry Nance comes back?

Also what do you guys see his role as with a healthy Kevin love? Over/under 30 mins a game?

A healthy who now?

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[Harper4Ferry?]

hoping Love will take a similar buyout to Blake this offseason. Maybe he gives up 5-6 million a season and we can stretch waive his 22-23 salary.

[jbk1234]

hoping Love will take a similar buyout to Blake this offseason. Maybe he gives up 5-6 million a season and we can stretch waive his 22-23 salary.

I'm open to buying out Love the summer before the last year of his deal, but his situation really isn't the same as Blake's. Blake is half crippled when he's healthy enough to play. He can't dunk. He can barely run and jump. That's not Love, at least not yet.

When healthy, Love is still is still a useful player and you're better of paying him $30M to play, and having the option of trading his contract at some point over the next 18 months, than paying him $23M not play, closing the books on a potential trade, and hoping that the player you can get with the $7M in cap savings makes up for Love being gone.

Assuming he doesn't continue to miss huge swaths of the season, Love is a $15-20M player. He's actually better than Bersans and Lauri. It's kind of an open debate as to whether Blake Griffin is still and NBA player anymore. If so, Blake's a league minimum player who can give you minimal minutes deep off the bench. That type of delta is when a buyout a makes sense.