Stillwater wrote:JonFromVA wrote:Stillwater wrote:yeah I dont see that level of clutch factor yet not to say it wont ever happen.
Maybe if you try to look at it from the perspective of this: forget when they were picked so as to lower your expectations then forget what the expectations were by scouting reports pre draft , and forget who they play for now.
Then ask yourself what you think they are as a player going forward if he wasn't a Cav wasn't taken in the lottery or maybe go to the extent of saying he wasn't even in the nba yet and then what do you think of him now with those truth s not there...
I think when you forget he was the 5th pick forget he never played in college to speak of but has nba bloodlines that pumped up his stock along with the injury excuses and forget he wears the wine and gold so you dont have any vested interest and just simply look at the man for what he brings to the table & imo the outlook is far less rosey
I see a back up pg with a dynamic handle and no clutch shooting ability to take advantage of it
Our young players are Cavs, so, I'm definitely going to look at it with an optimistic outlook. If I felt these guys were doomed, I wouldn't be wasting my time watching the games looking for signs that they might become what I (and the organization) hopes they may become.
On the flip side, I don't care about box score stats, I care about players who can contribute to winning and make their teammates better, fill a role, space the floor, or play some D, etc, etc; so until a player reaches that level they are all just works in progress.
Just last season, Collin Sexton and Trae Young were considered the worst players in the league according to APM-type stats. What exactly do we lose by being patient as fans? What choice do we have? Want to boo these kids out of town? We can't even do that (this season).
btw, Darius has shown up sometimes in clutch situations last season, and his eFG% in the clutch isn't very good, but it's significantly higher than Collin's for instance. Getting Kevin a jumper looks to be our best "clutch play" and that means our guards should probably pass more and shoot less in those situations.
I am just saying if you take your desire for DG or anyone else to be a good pro out of the equation it makes it much easier to see his skillset with a clear view of the actual ceiling that might be attained.I think his ceiling is attainable if his shots start dropping at a high % or he starts dropping dimes at a ridiculous rate but if not now then when? That should happen now not later otherwise his window for being a starter closes quick given the other options already here.
I want to see him coming off the bench in a back up for Sexton role and I want to see him mostly playing with Windler Nance Cedi and Javalle with Exum getting minutes next to him as well as Dotson and maybe Maker breaking into that line up per match ups.
I really want to see a starting line up of Sexton KPJ Okoro Love and Dre and the 6th man into the sl for Okoro is Cedi or visa versa with Windler or Nance getting some steady run against starters too.
If the org pressures JBB though I dont see that happening necessarily and I really think it will be a lot like last season with dg sexton okoro love dre sl to start the season with Cedi Windler and Nance as the key rotation with KPJ a mystery and DG is going to have to step it up really fast in that scenario or hes going to get kicked to the curb
That's the thing ... Garland's skillset and/or the lack of it on the roster is important for the starting unit. We need someone in there to initiate plays. You may not like watching Darius learn on the job, but the team has a need and an investment in him that makes it in their interest.
They are of course free to change their mind when they see something that changes their mind ... but inserting KPJ in to the starting lineup at this point in time appears to be a non-starter for multiple reasons. Yes, they could insert Exum. Are they supposed to do that based on a couple of nice performances .vs. the Pacer's back bench?
So, let it play out and it will eventually get sorted out, just probably not on your schedule or jbk1234's. I just hope you guys agree there should be some sort of method to the team's madness ... some underlying goal whether that's player development, or simply giving a lineup and potential alternatives a fair shake before promoting or demoting someone.
Garland/Sexton are our incumbent starting back-court and all signs are that they will continue to be until we see something is better. Makes perfect sense to me.
And everything I've said applies to our SF battle as well. While Isaac has looked very good in his two games, so has Cedi in his one and that was against starters. So, if JB is trying to be fair, Cedi should still be our starting SF at this point.