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Post#1 » by jbk1234 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:53 pm

If you have gripes about the organization, F.O., coach, etc. Please put them here so that we don't derail topics. Also, I would ask that people keep their critiques limited to observerable reality and not venture into speculation.

Finally, be respectful of one another.

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Post#2 » by Stillwater » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:41 pm

Yeah a thread I can get on board with lol. No seriously I am glad you decided to put this here. At this point my biggest bitch is there is no accountability for the actions of any of these nba orgs in how they treat the players and as far as I am concerned every speculative comment I have ever made about them is a reasonable question regardless of if it matches the sugar that is thrown on the dirt.
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Post#3 » by JonFromVA » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:33 pm

There is accountability throughout the Cavs organization. Multiple people at various levels hold each other accountable - at least up to the Dan Gilbert level. They want their players to work out because they selected them, invested in them and are counting on them to further their career.

Perhaps something Stillwater doesn't get is the extent they will go to try to protect players, even to their own detriment in the press; because as an organization there's far more to lose than to gain by taking a dump on their own player. Not just with that player, not just with an embarrassing back & forth that may occur, but with other players on the team and around the league.

In other words, for everything we did find out about, there were likely numerous incidents we did not because the team was able to keep those buried.

It's too bad the Cavs weren't able to help Porter Jr, but they sent him to a team that has someone on staff who might. Even in parting with Porter Jr, they're trying to help him. If teammates had a problem with this, there would be signs. Kevin Love specifically is someone I'd expect would speak out.

And Love did talk about Kevin in a podcast with Road Trippin, going on to say he was the most talented player on the roster, had a good heart; but admitted his problems adjusting to the NBA were due to tough circumstances he had to deal with growing up combined with the pandemic, the stoppage of play, and if you're looking for something to blame the org ... he references "turmoil in the organization" and those other factors as creating the "perfect storm".

So, whatever that "turmoil" reference was about, the Cavs still found a way to try to move Porter to a team willing to give him help and a shot ... and nobody on the Cavs is saying the team made a mistake.

Or ... Andre Drummond for that matter. That someone outside the team (Draymond Green) decided to try to defend Andre and not someone on the team is telling. In this case Love shares agents with Dre, and likely hasn't said anything because they're all on the same page with how this is being handled.

The players are treating it as a "business decision" not a personal one, and say Drummond hasn't been sent home and still is acting as part of the team, part of the locker room, part of their group chats, etc.

What kind of business decision? We can speculate, but some combination of bringing in Allen following perhaps by a trade demand, Andre passively or actively tanking his effort level, and perhaps a refusal to come off the bench and/or change how he plays.

Whatever it is, people on the team seem to understand what's going on.
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Post#4 » by Stillwater » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:09 pm

I think the worst thing you can do is coddle the lottery picks because they are your biggest investments at the price of creating a losing culture in the name of game reps and experience. And sprinkling in the we are building a culture mantra to sugar coat it...Granted they need plenty because not a single one is without flaws. However if they think they can keep rolling out rotations that dont even need to try to tank to be bottom feeders the players themselves esp hard working ones are going to be looking for the exit sign at first chance they get.
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Post#5 » by JonFromVA » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:59 pm

If anything I suspect the number of "teaching moments" this team is creating is likely overwhelming to the young players trying to absorb it all. Performance in a situation like this is gauged in terms of lessons learned and improvement rather than results.

Other judgements should be tabled until we get a chance to see this team's intended starting lineup for a period of time, and Altman does something about finding an NBA quality backup PG.
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Post#6 » by jbk1234 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:09 am

There were all kinds of rumors when it came to covering for Kyrie when he was here, and given how many times he's flaked out with other teams after he demanded a trade, I'm inclined to believe them.

What's important to understand is that there are teams who just take guys like KPJ off the board altogether, or at least wait until the second round to take a chance on him, which is why he lasted to No. 30. It's not like the Cavs cut the cord after the first screw with KPJ. He had multiple chances.

I'm pretty uninterested in what Love has to say at this point. We're paying him tens of millions of dollars to miss basketball games. If he's worried about his Achilles, maybe it's time for him to retire.

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Post#7 » by Stillwater » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:19 am

I think its funny that Love said KPJ was the most talented player on the team after the kid was traded, sounds like he has an issue with the decisions in general that are being made by he front office or maybe he is suggesting the off court stuff was real and he just doesn't care how people may interpret it and thats just what he thinks. Either way he may have been at some point, but it really is just stirring the pot by Love to say that now.
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Re: Complaints re the Cavs containment 

Post#8 » by JonFromVA » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:45 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I'm pretty uninterested in what Love has to say at this point. We're paying him tens of millions of dollars to miss basketball games. If he's worried about his Achilles, maybe it's time for him to retire.


Like almost everyone else in his position, he's going to continue to collect his paychecks; but he's in a unique position of having next to nothing to lose for speaking his mind.

His "turmoil" comment may have been strictly referring to what was going on last season. I didn't listen to the actual podcast, but the report I read suggests that. Perhaps it's difficult to learn respect for your coaches and GM when they're being actively disrespected by veterans of the team during your rookie season? Don't know.

But rest assured if the Cavs were willing to give up on a player that some felt was the most talented member of the team, they did not do so lightly.
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Re: Complaints re the Cavs containment 

Post#9 » by jbk1234 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:10 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:I'm pretty uninterested in what Love has to say at this point. We're paying him tens of millions of dollars to miss basketball games. If he's worried about his Achilles, maybe it's time for him to retire.


Like almost everyone else in his position, he's going to continue to collect his paychecks; but he's in a unique position of having next to nothing to lose for speaking his mind.

His "turmoil" comment may have been strictly referring to what was going on last season. I didn't listen to the actual podcast, but the report I read suggests that. Perhaps it's difficult to learn respect for your coaches and GM when they're being actively disrespected by veterans of the team during your rookie season? Don't know.

But rest assured if the Cavs were willing to give up on a player that some felt was the most talented member of the team, they did not do so lightly.


Okay, but I'm still pretty uninterested in anything Love has to say until he gets on the court. The organization isn't paying him $30M per to lead group and talk it out. If he doesn't want to risk a more serious injury like an Achilles tear, then he should probably retire. His contract is fully guaranteed. He played a handful of games including the preseason, after not playing since March, and he's missing a half of season with a calf strain? He's ether malingering or his body can no longer stand up to rigors of professional sports. If it's the latter, that's fine but be honest with yourself and the organization. At least get us back the cap space by asking for a medical retirement. He still gets paid but his contract comes off the books.
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Post#10 » by JonFromVA » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:30 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:I'm pretty uninterested in what Love has to say at this point. We're paying him tens of millions of dollars to miss basketball games. If he's worried about his Achilles, maybe it's time for him to retire.


Like almost everyone else in his position, he's going to continue to collect his paychecks; but he's in a unique position of having next to nothing to lose for speaking his mind.

His "turmoil" comment may have been strictly referring to what was going on last season. I didn't listen to the actual podcast, but the report I read suggests that. Perhaps it's difficult to learn respect for your coaches and GM when they're being actively disrespected by veterans of the team during your rookie season? Don't know.

But rest assured if the Cavs were willing to give up on a player that some felt was the most talented member of the team, they did not do so lightly.


Okay, but I'm still pretty uninterested in anything Love has to say until he gets on the court. The organization isn't paying him $30M per to lead group and talk it out. If he doesn't want to risk a more serious injury like an Achilles tear, then he should probably retire. His contract is fully guaranteed. He played a handful of games including the preseason, after not playing since March, and he's missing a half of season with a calf strain? He's ether malingering or his body can no longer stand up to rigors of professional sports. If it's the latter, that's fine but be honest with yourself and the organization. At least get us back the cap space by asking for a medical retirement. He still gets paid but his contract comes off the books.


I don't know what's going on with Kevin's injury, other than it appears he had another set back. Maybe he's going to keep having "set backs" until he's traded? Maybe we want him to keep having set backs. Don't know. I guess we'll see, but his thoughts/words about the team stand on their own and I do feel there is reason to believe they will be less filtered than those of others on the team.

Anyway, to me it's just a data point to take in to consideration along with other things we hear about the team.
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Post#11 » by jbk1234 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:55 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
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Like almost everyone else in his position, he's going to continue to collect his paychecks; but he's in a unique position of having next to nothing to lose for speaking his mind.

His "turmoil" comment may have been strictly referring to what was going on last season. I didn't listen to the actual podcast, but the report I read suggests that. Perhaps it's difficult to learn respect for your coaches and GM when they're being actively disrespected by veterans of the team during your rookie season? Don't know.

But rest assured if the Cavs were willing to give up on a player that some felt was the most talented member of the team, they did not do so lightly.


Okay, but I'm still pretty uninterested in anything Love has to say until he gets on the court. The organization isn't paying him $30M per to lead group and talk it out. If he doesn't want to risk a more serious injury like an Achilles tear, then he should probably retire. His contract is fully guaranteed. He played a handful of games including the preseason, after not playing since March, and he's missing a half of season with a calf strain? He's ether malingering or his body can no longer stand up to rigors of professional sports. If it's the latter, that's fine but be honest with yourself and the organization. At least get us back the cap space by asking for a medical retirement. He still gets paid but his contract comes off the books.


I don't know what's going on with Kevin's injury, other than it appears he had another set back. Maybe he's going to keep having "set backs" until he's traded? Maybe we want him to keep having set backs. Don't know. I guess we'll see, but his thoughts/words about the team stand on their own and I do feel there is reason to believe they will be less filtered than those of others on the team.

Anyway, to me it's just a data point to take in to consideration along with other things we hear about the team.


Calf strains are often the public account of, or prelude to, Achilles' problems. I'm sure there's some concern about the prospect of a tear. But we're kind of past the point where there needs to be some tough questions asked and answered in terms of can he play professional basketball anymore or is his body just too worn out. No other team is trading for him while he's spending half a season in street clothes after playing all of two regular season games in an entire calendar a year, so what's the plan here?

If it's that Love doesn't want to risk a career-ending injury to play for the current iteration of the Cavs, I get it, but he's going to have to take that risk in order to convince another team to commit $30M of cap space to him this summer. I sincerely hope the Cavs understand this as well if they're fine with him not playing the rest of year due to draft position. If it's that Love isn't sure he wants to risk an injury as bad as an Achilles' tear at this point in his career at all, then let's put in the paperwork and get the clock running on a medical retirement. If it's that he processing what he wants to do, then maybe it's time to go see a specialist and get some tests done so he can make a fully informed decision.
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Re: Complaints re the Cavs containment 

Post#12 » by JonFromVA » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:27 pm

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Okay, but I'm still pretty uninterested in anything Love has to say until he gets on the court. The organization isn't paying him $30M per to lead group and talk it out. If he doesn't want to risk a more serious injury like an Achilles tear, then he should probably retire. His contract is fully guaranteed. He played a handful of games including the preseason, after not playing since March, and he's missing a half of season with a calf strain? He's ether malingering or his body can no longer stand up to rigors of professional sports. If it's the latter, that's fine but be honest with yourself and the organization. At least get us back the cap space by asking for a medical retirement. He still gets paid but his contract comes off the books.


I don't know what's going on with Kevin's injury, other than it appears he had another set back. Maybe he's going to keep having "set backs" until he's traded? Maybe we want him to keep having set backs. Don't know. I guess we'll see, but his thoughts/words about the team stand on their own and I do feel there is reason to believe they will be less filtered than those of others on the team.

Anyway, to me it's just a data point to take in to consideration along with other things we hear about the team.


Calf strains are often the public account of, or prelude to, Achilles' problems. I'm sure there's some concern about the prospect of a tear. But we're kind of past the point where there needs to be some tough questions asked and answered in terms of can he play professional basketball anymore or is his body just too worn out. No other team is trading for him while he's spending half a season in street clothes after playing all of two regular season games in an entire calendar a year, so what's the plan here?

If it's that Love doesn't want to risk a career-ending injury to play for the current iteration of the Cavs, I get it, but he's going to have to take that risk in order to convince another team to commit $30M of cap space to him this summer. I sincerely hope the Cavs understand this as well if they're fine with him not playing the rest of year due to draft position. If it's that Love isn't sure he wants to risk an injury as bad as an Achilles' tear at this point in his career at all, then let's put in the paperwork and get the clock running on a medical retirement. If it's that he processing what he wants to do, then maybe it's time to go see a specialist and get some tests done so he can make a fully informed decision.


Do you think there are teams in the league that don't realize he's been dealing with a bad back since his Minnesota days?

Losing all that weight wasn't just about landing in GQ and hooking up with super-models.

Even if/when he gets over his current injury, he's still going to be 33 years old with chronic back problems.
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Post#13 » by jbk1234 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:29 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
I don't know what's going on with Kevin's injury, other than it appears he had another set back. Maybe he's going to keep having "set backs" until he's traded? Maybe we want him to keep having set backs. Don't know. I guess we'll see, but his thoughts/words about the team stand on their own and I do feel there is reason to believe they will be less filtered than those of others on the team.

Anyway, to me it's just a data point to take in to consideration along with other things we hear about the team.


Calf strains are often the public account of, or prelude to, Achilles' problems. I'm sure there's some concern about the prospect of a tear. But we're kind of past the point where there needs to be some tough questions asked and answered in terms of can he play professional basketball anymore or is his body just too worn out. No other team is trading for him while he's spending half a season in street clothes after playing all of two regular season games in an entire calendar a year, so what's the plan here?

If it's that Love doesn't want to risk a career-ending injury to play for the current iteration of the Cavs, I get it, but he's going to have to take that risk in order to convince another team to commit $30M of cap space to him this summer. I sincerely hope the Cavs understand this as well if they're fine with him not playing the rest of year due to draft position. If it's that Love isn't sure he wants to risk an injury as bad as an Achilles' tear at this point in his career at all, then let's put in the paperwork and get the clock running on a medical retirement. If it's that he processing what he wants to do, then maybe it's time to go see a specialist and get some tests done so he can make a fully informed decision.


Do you think there are teams in the league that don't realize he's been dealing with a bad back since his Minnesota days?

Losing all that weight wasn't just about landing in GQ and hooking up with super-models.

Even if/when he gets over his current injury, he's still going to be 33 years old with chronic back problems.


You at least have to give teams who might talk themselves into taking the risk something to work with and street clothes ain't it.

But mostly, the player has to be inactive and not come back with another team for an entire year before the cap clears under the medical retirement exception. So if that's where this is headed anyways, I'd like to accelerate the process.
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Post#14 » by Trailbreaker » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:45 pm

JonFromVA wrote:There is accountability throughout the Cavs organization. Multiple people at various levels hold each other accountable - at least up to the Dan Gilbert level. They want their players to work out because they selected them, invested in them and are counting on them to further their career.

Perhaps something Stillwater doesn't get is the extent they will go to try to protect players, even to their own detriment in the press; because as an organization there's far more to lose than to gain by taking a dump on their own player. Not just with that player, not just with an embarrassing back & forth that may occur, but with other players on the team and around the league.

In other words, for everything we did find out about, there were likely numerous incidents we did not because the team was able to keep those buried.

It's too bad the Cavs weren't able to help Porter Jr, but they sent him to a team that has someone on staff who might. Even in parting with Porter Jr, they're trying to help him. If teammates had a problem with this, there would be signs. Kevin Love specifically is someone I'd expect would speak out.

And Love did talk about Kevin in a podcast with Road Trippin, going on to say he was the most talented player on the roster, had a good heart; but admitted his problems adjusting to the NBA were due to tough circumstances he had to deal with growing up combined with the pandemic, the stoppage of play, and if you're looking for something to blame the org ... he references "turmoil in the organization" and those other factors as creating the "perfect storm".

So, whatever that "turmoil" reference was about, the Cavs still found a way to try to move Porter to a team willing to give him help and a shot ... and nobody on the Cavs is saying the team made a mistake.

Or ... Andre Drummond for that matter. That someone outside the team (Draymond Green) decided to try to defend Andre and not someone on the team is telling. In this case Love shares agents with Dre, and likely hasn't said anything because they're all on the same page with how this is being handled.

The players are treating it as a "business decision" not a personal one, and say Drummond hasn't been sent home and still is acting as part of the team, part of the locker room, part of their group chats, etc.

What kind of business decision? We can speculate, but some combination of bringing in Allen following perhaps by a trade demand, Andre passively or actively tanking his effort level, and perhaps a refusal to come off the bench and/or change how he plays.

Whatever it is, people on the team seem to understand what's going on.

I think you're right, especially after how Gilbert handled LeBron leaving the first time in 2010, he did a much better job handling the Kyrie situation.
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Post#15 » by JonFromVA » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:02 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:There is accountability throughout the Cavs organization. Multiple people at various levels hold each other accountable - at least up to the Dan Gilbert level. They want their players to work out because they selected them, invested in them and are counting on them to further their career.

Perhaps something Stillwater doesn't get is the extent they will go to try to protect players, even to their own detriment in the press; because as an organization there's far more to lose than to gain by taking a dump on their own player. Not just with that player, not just with an embarrassing back & forth that may occur, but with other players on the team and around the league.

In other words, for everything we did find out about, there were likely numerous incidents we did not because the team was able to keep those buried.

It's too bad the Cavs weren't able to help Porter Jr, but they sent him to a team that has someone on staff who might. Even in parting with Porter Jr, they're trying to help him. If teammates had a problem with this, there would be signs. Kevin Love specifically is someone I'd expect would speak out.

And Love did talk about Kevin in a podcast with Road Trippin, going on to say he was the most talented player on the roster, had a good heart; but admitted his problems adjusting to the NBA were due to tough circumstances he had to deal with growing up combined with the pandemic, the stoppage of play, and if you're looking for something to blame the org ... he references "turmoil in the organization" and those other factors as creating the "perfect storm".

So, whatever that "turmoil" reference was about, the Cavs still found a way to try to move Porter to a team willing to give him help and a shot ... and nobody on the Cavs is saying the team made a mistake.

Or ... Andre Drummond for that matter. That someone outside the team (Draymond Green) decided to try to defend Andre and not someone on the team is telling. In this case Love shares agents with Dre, and likely hasn't said anything because they're all on the same page with how this is being handled.

The players are treating it as a "business decision" not a personal one, and say Drummond hasn't been sent home and still is acting as part of the team, part of the locker room, part of their group chats, etc.

What kind of business decision? We can speculate, but some combination of bringing in Allen following perhaps by a trade demand, Andre passively or actively tanking his effort level, and perhaps a refusal to come off the bench and/or change how he plays.

Whatever it is, people on the team seem to understand what's going on.

I think you're right, especially after how Gilbert handled LeBron leaving the first time in 2010, he did a much better job handling the Kyrie situation.


The Kyrie situation is a nice example how factors outside the team's control affect their ability to manage a situation. First it was news getting back to Kyrie that he was involved in trade talks, and then it was the news that he was demanding a trade and had made a list of teams. Ideally they were able to handle everything quietly so as to get the best result (Kyrie sticks around for at least another season before LeBron bolts), or we trade him and get the best possible return including offers from teams that could at least hope they'd have a chance to re-sign him in 2 years; but some of the people who knew what was going on had other plans ...
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Post#16 » by jbk1234 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:24 pm

Update on Love situation.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2021/02/25/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-admits-guilty-injury-looks-forward-return/

Apparently it's a grade two calf strain, which while explaining why it's taking so long to come back from, constitutes a small comfort given that he got it playing as little as he did. Perhaps he can pour it on some in the second half of the season, but I fear the damage has been done to any trade value he might have on his contract. Also, I'm not sure how good I want the Cavs to be in the second half.
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Post#17 » by JonFromVA » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:28 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Update on Love situation.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2021/02/25/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-admits-guilty-injury-looks-forward-return/

Apparently it's a grade two calf strain, which while explaining why it's taking so long to come back from, constitutes a small comfort given that he got it playing as little as he did. Perhaps he can pour it on some in the second half of the season, but I fear the damage has been done to any trade value he might have on his contract. Also, I'm not sure how good I want the Cavs to be in the second half.


Maybe grade 2.5? Seems like it's been more than the 4-6 weeks expected for a grade 2.

But if Kevin doesn't think we understand what he's dealing with, he just has to tell us; the team is limited in what they can say due to health privacy laws.

Regardless, if Kevin can actually get back on the floor and stay on it for the rest of the season, it will seem like a minor miracle.
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Post#18 » by Stillwater » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:31 pm

KLove's contract should be terminated at this point, the fact there was no clause requiring a certain number of games be played is front office failure
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Post#19 » by jbk1234 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:36 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Update on Love situation.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2021/02/25/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-admits-guilty-injury-looks-forward-return/

Apparently it's a grade two calf strain, which while explaining why it's taking so long to come back from, constitutes a small comfort given that he got it playing as little as he did. Perhaps he can pour it on some in the second half of the season, but I fear the damage has been done to any trade value he might have on his contract. Also, I'm not sure how good I want the Cavs to be in the second half.


Maybe grade 2.5? Seems like it's been more than the 4-6 weeks expected for a grade 2.

But if Kevin doesn't think we understand what he's dealing with, he just has to tell us; the team is limited in what they can say due to health privacy laws.

Regardless, if Kevin can actually get back on the floor and stay on it for the rest of the season, it will seem like a minor miracle.


I read up the medical retirement exception and it seems that a league physician has to confirm the diagnosis and its impact to get the clock rolling. Then I read Kevin's quote about being *half way through* his career and I immediately thought HALF? If that's where Kevin's head is at, I think we're good and screwed here.
It is highly unlikely that the Cavs will agree with your Kevin Love evaluation for the purpose of a trade.
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Re: Complaints re the Cavs containment 

Post#20 » by JonFromVA » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:17 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Update on Love situation.

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2021/02/25/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-admits-guilty-injury-looks-forward-return/

Apparently it's a grade two calf strain, which while explaining why it's taking so long to come back from, constitutes a small comfort given that he got it playing as little as he did. Perhaps he can pour it on some in the second half of the season, but I fear the damage has been done to any trade value he might have on his contract. Also, I'm not sure how good I want the Cavs to be in the second half.


Maybe grade 2.5? Seems like it's been more than the 4-6 weeks expected for a grade 2.

But if Kevin doesn't think we understand what he's dealing with, he just has to tell us; the team is limited in what they can say due to health privacy laws.

Regardless, if Kevin can actually get back on the floor and stay on it for the rest of the season, it will seem like a minor miracle.


I read up the medical retirement exception and it seems that a league physician has to confirm the diagnosis and its impact to get the clock rolling. Then I read Kevin's quote about being *half way through* his career and I immediately thought HALF? If that's where Kevin's head is at, I think we're good and screwed here.


If someone's willingly writing you million dollar checks, are you going to be the first to say No?

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