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Personally think Windler Wade and probably Prince are the best 3 point shooters off the catch whereas the guards best shooting from range is off the dribble which doesnt work in heavy passing focus sets

jbk1234 wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I'm not going to dig for the quote at this late hour, but I'm pretty sure Bickerstaff has said words to the effect of them needing to shoot from 3 more.

JBB has asked them to shoot more and be more aggressive, but IMO that's putting the cart before the horse.

Unless they space the floor better and run plays to create open shots for their best shooters more than once per game, they will just lose games bricking a bunch of 3's.

Having your best three point shooters take more open 3s is how you spread the floor

Nah, bricking contested 3's is how you create a lot of transition offense for your opponent.

Floor spacing is all about convincing the defense that you will make them pay far worse if they cheat off your shooters, then if they don't.

And once that's achieved, the answer isn't to fire up more 3's. It's to take advantage of the space and get to the rim or throw lobs until you've convinced them they can't stop that without sending double teams.

At that point, they're probably trying out some form of a zone, and while you can try to shoot over the zone the safer bet is to get the zone moving and aim for open 3's and dunks.

It helps a lot to have 4 players who can reliably bury an open 3, but even more important than that is having an offense that's capable of thinking ahead of the defense, rather than behind it. You need players on the same page, and all making the correct reads when the defense reacts a specific way. You don't keep doing what the defense wants you to do, you need players who know how to force the defense in to letting you do what you want to do.

So along the journey there will be moments where the Cavs offense is clicking and looks good, but those are just the moments our offense is ahead of our opponent's defense or maybe the shots are just falling. Climbing to the highest levels requires finding a cheat code (aka a LeBron) or investing a lot of play time and coaching while our core group figures out how to execute.

In the meantime, we should really get 4 shooters on the floor.

JonFromVA wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
JBB has asked them to shoot more and be more aggressive, but IMO that's putting the cart before the horse.

Unless they space the floor better and run plays to create open shots for their best shooters more than once per game, they will just lose games bricking a bunch of 3's.

Having your best three point shooters take more open 3s is how you spread the floor

Nah, bricking contested 3's is how you create a lot of transition offense for your opponent.

Floor spacing is all about convincing the defense that you will make them pay far worse if they cheat off your shooters, then if they don't.

And once that's achieved, the answer isn't to fire up more 3's. It's to take advantage of the space and get to the rim or throw lobs until you've convinced them they can't stop that without sending double teams.

At that point, they're probably trying out some form of a zone, and while you can try to shoot over the zone the safer bet is to get the zone moving and aim for open 3's and dunks.

It helps a lot to have 4 players who can reliably bury an open 3, but even more important than that is having an offense that's capable of thinking ahead of the defense, rather than behind it. You need players on the same page, and all making the correct reads when the defense reacts a specific way. You don't keep doing what the defense wants you to do, you need players who know how to force the defense in to letting you do what you want to do.

So along the journey there will be moments where the Cavs offense is clicking and looks good, but those are just the moments our offense is ahead of our opponent's defense or maybe the shots are just falling. Climbing to the highest levels requires finding a cheat code (aka a LeBron) or investing a lot of play time and coaching while our core group figures out how to execute.

In the meantime, we should really get 4 shooters on the floor.

I'm not talking about taking contested threes. Garland and Sexton pass up open looks. Sexton will sometimes wait for his man to recover so he can blow by him.

jbk1234 wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:Having your best three point shooters take more open 3s is how you spread the floor

Nah, bricking contested 3's is how you create a lot of transition offense for your opponent.

Floor spacing is all about convincing the defense that you will make them pay far worse if they cheat off your shooters, then if they don't.

And once that's achieved, the answer isn't to fire up more 3's. It's to take advantage of the space and get to the rim or throw lobs until you've convinced them they can't stop that without sending double teams.

At that point, they're probably trying out some form of a zone, and while you can try to shoot over the zone the safer bet is to get the zone moving and aim for open 3's and dunks.

It helps a lot to have 4 players who can reliably bury an open 3, but even more important than that is having an offense that's capable of thinking ahead of the defense, rather than behind it. You need players on the same page, and all making the correct reads when the defense reacts a specific way. You don't keep doing what the defense wants you to do, you need players who know how to force the defense in to letting you do what you want to do.

So along the journey there will be moments where the Cavs offense is clicking and looks good, but those are just the moments our offense is ahead of our opponent's defense or maybe the shots are just falling. Climbing to the highest levels requires finding a cheat code (aka a LeBron) or investing a lot of play time and coaching while our core group figures out how to execute.

In the meantime, we should really get 4 shooters on the floor.

I'm not talking about taking contested threes. Garland and Sexton pass up open looks. Sexton will sometimes wait for his man to recover so he can blow by him.

I'm not seeing a problem in that area, I'm pretty confident with either of those two if they get an open look that they'll take it and make it.

I do think they need to do a better job playing off each other. They're way too young to be taking turns like they were James and Irving and I think that style caps how many assists they can generate.

The numbers keep telling me Isaac is the biggest problem with the starting lineup; but that's a price we're committed to paying like we paid when Collin was a rook, and when Darius was a rook.