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Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM

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Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

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The Pistons aren’t messing around when it comes to the tank.
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#3 » by JonFromVA » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:51 pm

tundraknight wrote:

The Pistons aren’t messing around when it comes to the tank.


Young and hungry is likely a bigger threat to us than old and bored.
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#4 » by Stillwater » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:58 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
tundraknight wrote:

The Pistons aren’t messing around when it comes to the tank.


Young and hungry is likely a bigger threat to us than old and bored.

like it matters who they play lol this detroit team is worse than the Cavs even without trying to lose
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#5 » by Stillwater » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:22 am

with the luck odds so screwed up it wont matter probably but I bet we will be able to look back at this game and say this was the one they needed to win or lose but wont really have mattered
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#6 » by tundraknight » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:32 am

Stillwater wrote:with the luck odds so screwed up it wont matter probably but I bet we will be able to look back at this game and say this was the one they needed to win or lose but wont really have mattered


And not just with odds related, but one of those games that could dictate managements decision for the rest of this season. A win and they could want to continue and try and sneak into the play ins for a playoff spot, or a loss against this Pistons team could make them think “wow we really do suck, let’s just tank the rest of the season.” And let Sexton, Garland, Nance, and Allen rest a lot more as this this season comes to an end.
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#7 » by Stillwater » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:16 am

tundraknight wrote:
Stillwater wrote:with the luck odds so screwed up it wont matter probably but I bet we will be able to look back at this game and say this was the one they needed to win or lose but wont really have mattered


And not just with odds related, but one of those games that could dictate managements decision for the rest of this season. A win and they could want to continue and try and sneak into the play ins for a playoff spot, or a loss against this Pistons team could make them think “wow we really do suck, let’s just tank the rest of the season.” And let Sexton, Garland, Nance, and Allen rest a lot more as this this season comes to an end.

I doubt they are not aware of the roster struggles playing a rookie in the starting line up all season and always playing the development card. They knew they would not be that good yet they always talk like getting that 10 seed is the goal or something like if they get it there will be a parade after a first round loss and a pick in the late teens for a even worse rookie next year in the sl.
I think they had a chance to be a mediocre team and make it if Love had been healthy all season and since he wasnt any bs coming out of the fo at this point is just over confidence on the part of the young core or high expectation shpeel coming out of the coaches to try to keep them motivated.
Nobody in this org should have any delusions at this point no matter if they lose to the lowly Pistons or beat the Jazz
They will be in the high lottery and maybe just maybe Detroit will win the lottery even though we just got beat by them because it really doesnt matter at this point if you are 5th or 9th or 2nd by record except for total picks you can fall.
But in the end I doubt they make the right pick regardless... :banghead:
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#8 » by JonFromVA » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:53 pm

tundraknight wrote:
Stillwater wrote:with the luck odds so screwed up it wont matter probably but I bet we will be able to look back at this game and say this was the one they needed to win or lose but wont really have mattered


And not just with odds related, but one of those games that could dictate managements decision for the rest of this season. A win and they could want to continue and try and sneak into the play ins for a playoff spot, or a loss against this Pistons team could make them think “wow we really do suck, let’s just tank the rest of the season.” And let Sexton, Garland, Nance, and Allen rest a lot more as this this season comes to an end.


It's hard to say how much patience a Dan Gilbert run organization is going to have. If the roster doesn't start to come together by the end of the season, we might see heads start to role. So, Koby Altman and JBB will need to feel a lot more secure in their jobs before they start telling players to take some games off.

Garland was running so many high P&R's at the end of the game, you could almost see the gears grinding in his head as he kept driving in to crowds and tossing up floaters. Maybe if his 3pt shot had been falling, he could have broken that up some? If a defender clearly committed to help, then he'd pass, but they basically let the game came down to Garland's ability to knock down floaters over length which is make-able for him but far from an ideal shot. On the other end of the floor JBB let Hayes drive on Garland over and over, and unlike the Pistons we weren't able to wall off the paint. Eventually we brought in Okoro and put him on Hayes and swapped Allen for Hartenstein. And then there's Kevin Love who only had one (hard) shot attempt in 3 minutes at the end of the game.

No doubt rust and lack of practice time are still factors and while everyone is still playing hard, we're just not seeing the roots of an offense or a defense that's going to carry the Cavs anywhere. So to prove the problems are primarily the former, and not so much the roster construction (Altman) and coaching (JBB) the team really needs to show some progress by the end of the season. They need to go beyond playing hard and show they can play together and have each other's backs on the floor.

I'm not expecting them to beat good teams, but some of the team's we've been facing are just as young and have less experience and continuity playing together. If we can't out think out execute those teams, then how can we say we're making progress?

And if Dan Gilbert doesn't think he's seeing progress, people are going to be axed. At least pre-stroke ... (maybe he has the patience of Solomon these days ...)
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Re: Game 57 : Cleveland Cavaliers (20-36) @ Detroit Pistons (17-40) - 7:00PM 

Post#9 » by Stillwater » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:26 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
tundraknight wrote:
Stillwater wrote:with the luck odds so screwed up it wont matter probably but I bet we will be able to look back at this game and say this was the one they needed to win or lose but wont really have mattered


And not just with odds related, but one of those games that could dictate managements decision for the rest of this season. A win and they could want to continue and try and sneak into the play ins for a playoff spot, or a loss against this Pistons team could make them think “wow we really do suck, let’s just tank the rest of the season.” And let Sexton, Garland, Nance, and Allen rest a lot more as this this season comes to an end.


It's hard to say how much patience a Dan Gilbert run organization is going to have. If the roster doesn't start to come together by the end of the season, we might see heads start to role. So, Koby Altman and JBB will need to feel a lot more secure in their jobs before they start telling players to take some games off.

Garland was running so many high P&R's at the end of the game, you could almost see the gears grinding in his head as he kept driving in to crowds and tossing up floaters. Maybe if his 3pt shot had been falling, he could have broken that up some? If a defender clearly committed to help, then he'd pass, but they basically let the game came down to Garland's ability to knock down floaters over length which is make-able for him but far from an ideal shot. On the other end of the floor JBB let Hayes drive on Garland over and over, and unlike the Pistons we weren't able to wall off the paint. Eventually we brought in Okoro and put him on Hayes and swapped Allen for Hartenstein. And then there's Kevin Love who only had one (hard) shot attempt in 3 minutes at the end of the game.

No doubt rust and lack of practice time are still factors and while everyone is still playing hard, we're just not seeing the roots of an offense or a defense that's going to carry the Cavs anywhere. So to prove the problems are primarily the former, and not so much the roster construction (Altman) and coaching (JBB) the team really needs to show some progress by the end of the season. They need to go beyond playing hard and show they can play together and have each other's backs on the floor.

I'm not expecting them to beat good teams, but some of the team's we've been facing are just as young and have less experience and continuity playing together. If we can't out think out execute those teams, then how can we say we're making progress?

And if Dan Gilbert doesn't think he's seeing progress, people are going to be axed. At least pre-stroke ... (maybe he has the patience of Solomon these days ...)

yeah...or you can just say they suck
and btw I am pretty sure there is some truth to Dan being kind of the drunken master at this point so anything is possible
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