GT #24 Jazz @ Cavaliers, 5 December 2021, 3:30 PM ET

[JonFromVA]

Well, Windler hasn't been playing very well.

He's shooting 28% since November 11th, 25% on threes. He's out there to stretch the floor but has only taken 4 threes total in his past 8 games played, and five of those games he played double-digit minutes.

He's been fouling a ton over that span, averaging 1.8 fouls in ~10 minutes per game. So fouling out if you gave him 36 minutes.

He hasn't had a positive +/- since 11/15.

He's also taken a grand total of 5 shots in 7 games since 11/15.

It shouldn't be that hard to get him open looks, but someone would have to try.

Some of the responsibility for him not getting (or taking) open looks is on him.

Some, but we may have a problem with off the ball screen setting. Heck, do we even run pick & pop?

[toooskies]

He's also taken a grand total of 5 shots in 7 games since 11/15.

It shouldn't be that hard to get him open looks, but someone would have to try.

Some of the responsibility for him not getting (or taking) open looks is on him.

Some, but we may have a problem with off the ball screen setting. Heck, do we even run pick & pop?

Cedi doesn't seem to have a problem getting nearly six shots per 22 minutes of game time, 80% assisted.

[LivingLegend]

But in the middle of all the b1thcing let's give them some props: they challenged a contender to the wire. I'm not sure many of us would've believed that a month ago.

This team is growing, enough said.

The only issue I have with this coaching staff is how in the world is Lamar Stevens getting 10-15min per game over Dylan Windler. Those are Windlers mins. not Stevens. Having Okoro/Stevens on the court for a combined 40-45min per game creates a massive weakness of shooting.

So that would be my press conference question to JB. Why is Windler not getting those 10-15min and Lamar Stevens is.

I am dying for Windler to get 10-15mins for 30 games in a row to see him grow. Its like we have a potentially extremely valuable 1st round talent asset that we are letting rot in favor of a UDFA 2-way wing.

I need answers JB. Why.

Oh, the why is simple enough ... to JBB it's 48 minutes of tough wing defense and fwiw, Lamar is currently our on-court +/- leader (the Cavs are +7.1 when he's on the floor).

But it's fair to say JBB seems to know better how to use Lamar than Dylan. Having him sit and rot out at the 3pt line when the defense has so many other players to cheat off of isn't very productive. They should have in motion coming off screens, but I guess that's not the in the playbook this season.

Some opinions I've read on the subject suspect JBB sees the 5 positions as roles and the players simply slotting in to those roles. I'm not sure that really holds up, but perhaps has some validity for back of the rotation players. Alas, practice time is limited.

Or maybe JBB is just out to prove that floor spacing a bunch of modern BS ... grit & grind baby!

I mean I get it but at the same time I dont. You invested a decent pick into Windler and have essentially phased him out of the system. If defense is the reason, Windler has shown in the very limited time hes gotten that he is a scrappy defender--maybe not to the level of Stevens, but Windler provides such a better dynamic on offense.

If we got a bunch of rim protecting PF/C to offset Sexlands defense---wouldnt you want to put Windler out there to offset Okoros offense?

I cant complain too much because they are winning, its just that Stevens to me seems like a specialist you bring in when you need a stop in a big moment, not a guy who consistently gets 10-15 min per game. I also feel like Windlers passing, cutting, shooting would be awesome in this new offense ran by Rubio/Garlands passing.

[LivingLegend]

The only issue I have with this coaching staff is how in the world is Lamar Stevens getting 10-15min per game over Dylan Windler. Those are Windlers mins. not Stevens. Having Okoro/Stevens on the court for a combined 40-45min per game creates a massive weakness of shooting.

So that would be my press conference question to JB. Why is Windler not getting those 10-15min and Lamar Stevens is.

I am dying for Windler to get 10-15mins for 30 games in a row to see him grow. Its like we have a potentially extremely valuable 1st round talent asset that we are letting rot in favor of a UDFA 2-way wing.

I need answers JB. Why.

Well, Windler hasn't been playing very well.

He's shooting 28% since November 11th, 25% on threes. He's out there to stretch the floor but has only taken 4 threes total in his past 8 games played, and five of those games he played double-digit minutes.

He's been fouling a ton over that span, averaging 1.8 fouls in ~10 minutes per game. So fouling out if you gave him 36 minutes.

He hasn't had a positive +/- since 11/15.

He's also taken a grand total of 5 shots in 7 games since 11/15.

It shouldn't be that hard to get him open looks, but someone would have to try.

I mean a lot of that is because the only time he gets in the game is when there is 5 mins left in the 4th QTR during blowouts running with the 3rd unit at the end of the bench. IDk what we really expect him to do when he isnt afforded the opportunity to run with the rotation players at any consistent rate.

Its not like Im advocating him to take Cedi mins or anything. We are talking about Lamar Stevens here. Thats why its so baffling.

I would like to see Windler/Stevens split time based on how the game is going. If we need defense, but Stevens in--if we need scoring because we are down 15, put Windler in and see if he can get comfortable and find his fit.

[toooskies]

Well, Windler hasn't been playing very well.

He's shooting 28% since November 11th, 25% on threes. He's out there to stretch the floor but has only taken 4 threes total in his past 8 games played, and five of those games he played double-digit minutes.

He's been fouling a ton over that span, averaging 1.8 fouls in ~10 minutes per game. So fouling out if you gave him 36 minutes.

He hasn't had a positive +/- since 11/15.

He's also taken a grand total of 5 shots in 7 games since 11/15.

It shouldn't be that hard to get him open looks, but someone would have to try.

I mean a lot of that is because the only time he gets in the game is when there is 5 mins left in the 4th QTR during blowouts running with the 3rd unit at the end of the bench. IDk what we really expect him to do when he isnt afforded the opportunity to run with the rotation players at any consistent rate.

Its not like Im advocating him to take Cedi mins or anything. We are talking about Lamar Stevens here. Thats why its so baffling.

I would like to see Windler/Stevens split time based on how the game is going. If we need defense, but Stevens in--if we need scoring because we are down 15, put Windler in and see if he can get comfortable and find his fit.

He had five games where he was getting 10 minutes off the bench in our last 10. He did nothing with them so he got demoted to the end of the bench. He's gotta shoot when he's in or else playing him is kinda pointless.

[LivingLegend]

He's also taken a grand total of 5 shots in 7 games since 11/15.

It shouldn't be that hard to get him open looks, but someone would have to try.

I mean a lot of that is because the only time he gets in the game is when there is 5 mins left in the 4th QTR during blowouts running with the 3rd unit at the end of the bench. IDk what we really expect him to do when he isnt afforded the opportunity to run with the rotation players at any consistent rate.

Its not like Im advocating him to take Cedi mins or anything. We are talking about Lamar Stevens here. Thats why its so baffling.

I would like to see Windler/Stevens split time based on how the game is going. If we need defense, but Stevens in--if we need scoring because we are down 15, put Windler in and see if he can get comfortable and find his fit.

He had five games where he was getting 10 minutes off the bench in our last 10. He did nothing with them so he got demoted to the end of the bench. He's gotta shoot when he's in or else playing him is kinda pointless.

Is it more pointless than playing a UDFA Lamar Stevens 10 min per night who averages 3/1/0 on 21% 3pt shooting?

Just saying, the Cavs are setting up to let Windler walk without ever knowing who he really is and watch him become a good player on another team ala Joe Harris and Danny Green. The writing is on the wall.

[toooskies]

I mean a lot of that is because the only time he gets in the game is when there is 5 mins left in the 4th QTR during blowouts running with the 3rd unit at the end of the bench. IDk what we really expect him to do when he isnt afforded the opportunity to run with the rotation players at any consistent rate.

Its not like Im advocating him to take Cedi mins or anything. We are talking about Lamar Stevens here. Thats why its so baffling.

I would like to see Windler/Stevens split time based on how the game is going. If we need defense, but Stevens in--if we need scoring because we are down 15, put Windler in and see if he can get comfortable and find his fit.

He had five games where he was getting 10 minutes off the bench in our last 10. He did nothing with them so he got demoted to the end of the bench. He's gotta shoot when he's in or else playing him is kinda pointless.

Is it more pointless than playing a UDFA Lamar Stevens 10 min per night who averages 3/1/0 on 21% 3pt shooting?

Just saying, the Cavs are setting up to let Windler walk without ever knowing who he really is and watch him become a good player on another team ala Joe Harris and Danny Green. The writing is on the wall.

We have already extended him through next year.

[toooskies]

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