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Giannis's birthday. But he's also questionable with a calf injury.

Ah, so Milwaukee is where Rodney Hood's been hiding.

La Mar.

Sooner or later, all of you will get it as I got it from day one.

Our starting unit really struggles to score when Garland has an off night, and although Okoro is the favorite target of many fans, Mobley and Lauri need to be more aggressive inside if the 3 point arc. This is especially the case when the Cavs are in the bonus.

Anyway, no shame in a close loss to the defending champs at full strength in their building and on the second night of a back to back

jbk1234 wrote:Our starting unit really struggles to score when Garland has an off night, and although Okoro is the favorite target of many fans, Mobley and Lauri need to be more aggressive inside if the 3 point arc. This is especially the case when the Cavs are in the bonus.

Anyway, no shame in a close loss to the defending champs at full strength in their building and on the second night of a back to back

As close to "we miss Collin Sexton" as jbk will ever get.

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:Our starting unit really struggles to score when Garland has an off night, and although Okoro is the favorite target of many fans, Mobley and Lauri need to be more aggressive inside if the 3 point arc. This is especially the case when the Cavs are in the bonus.

Anyway, no shame in a close loss to the defending champs at full strength in their building and on the second night of a back to back

As close to "we miss Collin Sexton" as jbk will ever get.

I've seen Sexton play against teams with the Bucks athleticism and length. It ain't pretty.

What I want to see is Mobley and Lauri be a lot more aggressive inside the arc. Cavs settled for a lot of threes tonight, not all of them in rythym. I want to see our guys get pushed around less especially when the other team is getting touch fouls at the 3 point line.

I'm still evaluating what we have in order to better determine what we need. Do we need a 2 guard who takes 15 shots a game? Ten? If the other 4 guys start clicking on all cylinders, are we good with minimal offensive improvement from Okoro? Will we get it if we give him until the deadline? Do we need a different player at SF? Have we given up completely on Windler? With the exception of Allen, I think our players aren't anywhere near maxed out and I wouldn't upset the apple cart this season.

You can wait forever for answers. Been waiting on Windler for three years. Okoro's offensive game for more than one.

Ultimately we have Ricky Rubio taking too many shots in crunch time and I don't need to see that anymore.

toooskies wrote:You can wait forever for answers. Been waiting on Windler for three years. Okoro's offensive game for more than one.

Ultimately we have Ricky Rubio taking too many shots in crunch time and I don't need to see that anymore.

A year isn't anywhere near enough time for one and done guys. Okoro and Sexton aside, if you bring in even a moderate usage SG/SF, his shots are going to come at the expense of shots Mobley and Lauri should be taking this season. I just think this team is too green to justify that opportunity cost. They're still feeling out their roles and our starters have only played around 10-15 games this season?

Obviously, if a too good to pass up deal presents itself, the calculus changes. But, I wouldn't burn assets for a replacement level guy yet.

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:You can wait forever for answers. Been waiting on Windler for three years. Okoro's offensive game for more than one.

Ultimately we have Ricky Rubio taking too many shots in crunch time and I don't need to see that anymore.

A year isn't anywhere near enough time for one and done guys. Okoro and Sexton aside, if you bring in even a moderate usage SG/SF, his shots are going to come at the expense of shots Mobley and Lauri should be taking this season. I just think this team is too green to justify that opportunity cost. They're still feeling out their roles and our starters have only played around 10-15 games this season?

Obviously, if a too good to pass up deal presents itself, the calculus changes. But, I wouldn't burn assets for a replacement level guy yet.

The problem is that they aren't getting those shots anyway in the 4th. I don't want a replacement-level guy, though. That's only marginally better than Rubio playing out-of-position and out-of-role.

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:You can wait forever for answers. Been waiting on Windler for three years. Okoro's offensive game for more than one.

Ultimately we have Ricky Rubio taking too many shots in crunch time and I don't need to see that anymore.

A year isn't anywhere near enough time for one and done guys. Okoro and Sexton aside, if you bring in even a moderate usage SG/SF, his shots are going to come at the expense of shots Mobley and Lauri should be taking this season. I just think this team is too green to justify that opportunity cost. They're still feeling out their roles and our starters have only played around 10-15 games this season?

Obviously, if a too good to pass up deal presents itself, the calculus changes. But, I wouldn't burn assets for a replacement level guy yet.

The problem is that they aren't getting those shots anyway in the 4th. I don't want a replacement-level guy, though. That's only marginally better than Rubio playing out-of-position and out-of-role.

If the Cavs want to eventually get to a place where they consistently beat good teams, then Lauri and Mobley are going to have to get shots in the 4th so the offense is less predictable and more difficult to defend. The way the Jazz sold out on Garland/Allen on the last possession, and the Bucks began trapping Garland as soon as the Cavs closed the gap, is something you're going to see more and more often. The Spurs didn't have one guy that could beat you, they always had three (or even four with Green/Leonard). I'd rather Mobley and Lauri get pushed into being offensive threats in the fourth quarter and develop into legitimate secondary options with the game on the line than trade for a 2 guard who will have us defaulting into the Portland model. It's just a lot harder to scheme against multiple guys with size in the final two minutes and that's when games are won or lost in the post season. It's also a lot harder to defend them without fouling.

This isn't a trade deadline plan, its more like a 3 year plan. We've seen teams play real hard in the regular season and make noise before, but ultimately we still need a lot of development and roster evolution.

It would also be nice if JBB trusted his back of the rotation players at least as much as Bud trusts players hot off the street. Maybe get key players some rest on a b2b....

JonFromVA wrote:This isn't a trade deadline plan, its more like a 3 year plan. We've seen teams play real hard in the regular season and make noise before, but ultimately we still need a lot of development and roster evolution.

It would also be nice if JBB trusted his back of the rotation players at least as much as Bud trusts players hot off the street. Maybe get key players some rest on a b2b....

I wouldn't give Lauri three years. I'd give him this season. He's in his fifth year in the league and is a great third big off the bench even if it doesn't work out with him at SF. In fairness to him, it's gone a little better than I expected and he's toughened up as the season progressed. Mobley is probably two off seasons away physically. He still shies away from contact when the other team junks up the game and isn't aggressive enough on offense. I think Okoro has to show some improvement on the offensive end this season or the Cavs need to plan on starting someone else at the 2 next year. If he spends all summer in the gym working on his three point shot (as he should've been last summer versus the Cavs trying to make him a secondary PG), then that's found money and the Cavs have multiple options.

Basically, I'm between where you and Tooskie are. I'm willing, even eager, to evaluate and develop this year and then make moves this summer (when Love will be on an expiring contract). I also want one more mid-range, or even late-lottery pick before we start picking in the 20s or trading our firsts. One of the reasons the West stayed better than the East all those years is they had above .500 teams picking in the lottery while the East had sub .500 teams making the playoffs and picking after them.

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:
A year isn't anywhere near enough time for one and done guys. Okoro and Sexton aside, if you bring in even a moderate usage SG/SF, his shots are going to come at the expense of shots Mobley and Lauri should be taking this season. I just think this team is too green to justify that opportunity cost. They're still feeling out their roles and our starters have only played around 10-15 games this season?

Obviously, if a too good to pass up deal presents itself, the calculus changes. But, I wouldn't burn assets for a replacement level guy yet.

The problem is that they aren't getting those shots anyway in the 4th. I don't want a replacement-level guy, though. That's only marginally better than Rubio playing out-of-position and out-of-role.

If the Cavs want to eventually get to a place where they consistently beat good teams, then Lauri and Mobley are going to have to get shots in the 4th so the offense is less predictable and more difficult to defend. The way the Jazz sold out on Garland/Mobley on the last possession, and the Bucks began trapping Garland as soon as the Cavs closed the gap, is something you're going to see more and more often. The Spurs didn't have one guy that could beat you, they always had three (or even four with Green/Leonard). I'd rather Mobley and Lauri get pushed into being offensive threats in the fourth quarter and develop into legitimate secondary options with the game on the line than trade for a 2 guard who will have us defaulting into the Portland model. It's just a lot harder to scheme against multiple guys with size in the final two minutes and that's when games are won or lost in the post season. It's also a lot harder to defend them without fouling.

Mobley is 5/11 in crunch time, Lauri is 5/10 (1/6 on threes), Allen is 8/9. The big guys have done fine.

Garland is 8/23 (0/10 on threes), Rubio is 3/13 (1/9 on threes), Osman/Sexton/Okoro a combined 4/16 (2/9 on threes).

So I don't really see a big man problem in crunch time-- their volume is pretty much balanced as secondary guys. I see a problem with outside shooting that's mostly on our most-used guard pairing. We're a collective 5/41 from three in crunch time and Garland/Rubio are 1/19. Rubio's been fine historically in crunch time so maybe it's fatigue for him, or maybe he's got too much scoring responsibility; for Garland it's likely a combination of fatigue, adjusting to being the #1 option in crunch time. It's also a bit of small sample size individually, so either guy (or the whole team) may just turn it around without changing anything.

JBB's rotation has had Rubio play 14 of the last 18 minutes of the game and 16 of the last 18 minutes of the game the past two nights, and he's gone 0-4 at the end of games. That probably needs fixing, whether it's overlapping Rubio and Garland less during the game or putting Rubio/Garland on a similar rotation to Mobley/Allen, with Rubio in the starting lineup so he gets more than a few minutes of rest between his second-half stints.

That's the thing ... if we let this core grow at its own rate we may get what we need out of the draft or trading for the next Allen-Markennan-Rubio is fine too, but Mobley needs more than just strength to reach superstar level and if he does we want his teammates in their prime. So yeah, I'm more concerned with what Lauri can do when he's 27, etc.

If we need to rely on future draft picks to start, they will need time to. Okoro might even be younger than our pick depending which way we go.

Look at how championship contenders get where they get ... its rarely on the back of kids.

Brian Scalabrine spoke to this in a podcast about why he could trounce young athletic non-NBA players in 1v1's even as old and washed up as he is, and he said the biggest factor is experience at the NBA level. He's seen so much over the years he can break down an opponents moves once he's seen them and predict what they're going to try before they get fully in to the move. Sort of like a poker player reading tells seemingly predicting the future.

So yeah, Garland fools a lot of teams with his floater-oop play, but experienced teams aim to break it up before it gets to that point. The more counters we add the more unstoppable the Cavs will become. Our players and systems need to catch up or get ahead of our opponents: mentally and physically.

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:The problem is that they aren't getting those shots anyway in the 4th. I don't want a replacement-level guy, though. That's only marginally better than Rubio playing out-of-position and out-of-role.

If the Cavs want to eventually get to a place where they consistently beat good teams, then Lauri and Mobley are going to have to get shots in the 4th so the offense is less predictable and more difficult to defend. The way the Jazz sold out on Garland/Mobley on the last possession, and the Bucks began trapping Garland as soon as the Cavs closed the gap, is something you're going to see more and more often. The Spurs didn't have one guy that could beat you, they always had three (or even four with Green/Leonard). I'd rather Mobley and Lauri get pushed into being offensive threats in the fourth quarter and develop into legitimate secondary options with the game on the line than trade for a 2 guard who will have us defaulting into the Portland model. It's just a lot harder to scheme against multiple guys with size in the final two minutes and that's when games are won or lost in the post season. It's also a lot harder to defend them without fouling.

Mobley is 5/11 in crunch time, Lauri is 5/10 (1/6 on threes), Allen is 8/9. The big guys have done fine.

Garland is 8/23 (0/10 on threes), Rubio is 3/13 (1/9 on threes), Osman/Sexton/Okoro a combined 4/16 (2/9 on threes).

So I don't really see a big man problem in crunch time-- their volume is pretty much balanced as secondary guys. I see a problem with outside shooting that's mostly on our most-used guard pairing. We're a collective 5/41 from three in crunch time and Garland/Rubio are 1/19. Rubio's been fine historically in crunch time so maybe it's fatigue for him, or maybe he's got too much scoring responsibility; for Garland it's likely a combination of fatigue, adjusting to being the #1 option in crunch time. It's also a bit of small sample size individually, so either guy (or the whole team) may just turn it around without changing anything.

JBB's rotation has had Rubio play 14 of the last 18 minutes of the game and 16 of the last 18 minutes of the game the past two nights, and he's gone 0-4 at the end of games. That probably needs fixing, whether it's overlapping Rubio and Garland less during the game or putting Rubio/Garland on a similar rotation to Mobley/Allen, with Rubio in the starting lineup so he gets more than a few minutes of rest between his second-half stints.

Yes, good points, but none of those numbers other than Allen's are actually good. Our crappy floor spacing makes everything much harder than it needs to be on the offensive end, and opponents get dialed in to close out games. otoh, our defense and junk offense is what is keeping us in these games to begin with.

If Garland gets where we hope, he's going to see a lot of trapping, ball denial, pressure, etc. In the Warrior's model Steph needed a secondary playmaker and reliable shooters. Sometimes having a young Harrison Barnes or Festus Ezeli as one of those shooters was a big problem.

If our defense is good enough we won't need the 3's but the 2's need to be a lot more reliable.

JonFromVA wrote:

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:
If the Cavs want to eventually get to a place where they consistently beat good teams, then Lauri and Mobley are going to have to get shots in the 4th so the offense is less predictable and more difficult to defend. The way the Jazz sold out on Garland/Mobley on the last possession, and the Bucks began trapping Garland as soon as the Cavs closed the gap, is something you're going to see more and more often. The Spurs didn't have one guy that could beat you, they always had three (or even four with Green/Leonard). I'd rather Mobley and Lauri get pushed into being offensive threats in the fourth quarter and develop into legitimate secondary options with the game on the line than trade for a 2 guard who will have us defaulting into the Portland model. It's just a lot harder to scheme against multiple guys with size in the final two minutes and that's when games are won or lost in the post season. It's also a lot harder to defend them without fouling.

Mobley is 5/11 in crunch time, Lauri is 5/10 (1/6 on threes), Allen is 8/9. The big guys have done fine.

Garland is 8/23 (0/10 on threes), Rubio is 3/13 (1/9 on threes), Osman/Sexton/Okoro a combined 4/16 (2/9 on threes).

So I don't really see a big man problem in crunch time-- their volume is pretty much balanced as secondary guys. I see a problem with outside shooting that's mostly on our most-used guard pairing. We're a collective 5/41 from three in crunch time and Garland/Rubio are 1/19. Rubio's been fine historically in crunch time so maybe it's fatigue for him, or maybe he's got too much scoring responsibility; for Garland it's likely a combination of fatigue, adjusting to being the #1 option in crunch time. It's also a bit of small sample size individually, so either guy (or the whole team) may just turn it around without changing anything.

JBB's rotation has had Rubio play 14 of the last 18 minutes of the game and 16 of the last 18 minutes of the game the past two nights, and he's gone 0-4 at the end of games. That probably needs fixing, whether it's overlapping Rubio and Garland less during the game or putting Rubio/Garland on a similar rotation to Mobley/Allen, with Rubio in the starting lineup so he gets more than a few minutes of rest between his second-half stints.

Yes, good points, but none of those numbers other than Allen's are actually good. Our crappy floor spacing makes everything much harder than it needs to be on the offensive end, and opponents get dialed in to close out games. otoh, our defense and junk offense is what is keeping us in these games to begin with.

If Garland gets where we hope, he's going to see a lot of trapping, ball denial, pressure, etc. In the Warrior's model Steph needed a secondary playmaker and reliable shooters. Sometimes having a young Harrison Barnes or Festus Ezeli as one of those shooters was a big problem.

If our defense is good enough we won't need the 3's but the 2's need to be a lot more reliable.

floor spacing isnt the problem, the Cavs have no problem getting open shots. Making the shots is the problem. I just watched the Cavs huck 100 threes in the Bucks game and the majority of them are open looks. The problem is, outside of Love/Lauri there isnt a single other player who Rubio/Garland can drive+kick to on the perimeter. Which is why giving Okoro/Stevens 40+ min per night is killing this teams offensive ceiling. Its essentially playing 4v5 every possession and limits your offensive diversity.

The Cavs desperately need a 3/D wing who can pull the defense out and knock down open 3s at a 38-43% rate to open up the offense more.

I wonder what it would take to get a guy like Buddy Heild, Harrison Barnes or any one of the 500 wings the Raps have. I also wonder if the Cavs FO recognize this massive hole in the roster and have any plans to aggressively fix it while the team is looking like a legit playoff team. If I know anything about Dan Gilbert, he doesnt have a lot of patience and wants the Cavs to win sooner rather than later.

If the Cavs have no plans to actually play Windler, package him + draft pick and see what you can get from these seller teams.

LivingLegend wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

toooskies wrote:Mobley is 5/11 in crunch time, Lauri is 5/10 (1/6 on threes), Allen is 8/9. The big guys have done fine.

Garland is 8/23 (0/10 on threes), Rubio is 3/13 (1/9 on threes), Osman/Sexton/Okoro a combined 4/16 (2/9 on threes).

So I don't really see a big man problem in crunch time-- their volume is pretty much balanced as secondary guys. I see a problem with outside shooting that's mostly on our most-used guard pairing. We're a collective 5/41 from three in crunch time and Garland/Rubio are 1/19. Rubio's been fine historically in crunch time so maybe it's fatigue for him, or maybe he's got too much scoring responsibility; for Garland it's likely a combination of fatigue, adjusting to being the #1 option in crunch time. It's also a bit of small sample size individually, so either guy (or the whole team) may just turn it around without changing anything.

JBB's rotation has had Rubio play 14 of the last 18 minutes of the game and 16 of the last 18 minutes of the game the past two nights, and he's gone 0-4 at the end of games. That probably needs fixing, whether it's overlapping Rubio and Garland less during the game or putting Rubio/Garland on a similar rotation to Mobley/Allen, with Rubio in the starting lineup so he gets more than a few minutes of rest between his second-half stints.

Yes, good points, but none of those numbers other than Allen's are actually good. Our crappy floor spacing makes everything much harder than it needs to be on the offensive end, and opponents get dialed in to close out games. otoh, our defense and junk offense is what is keeping us in these games to begin with.

If Garland gets where we hope, he's going to see a lot of trapping, ball denial, pressure, etc. In the Warrior's model Steph needed a secondary playmaker and reliable shooters. Sometimes having a young Harrison Barnes or Festus Ezeli as one of those shooters was a big problem.

If our defense is good enough we won't need the 3's but the 2's need to be a lot more reliable.

floor spacing isnt the problem, the Cavs have no problem getting open shots. Making the shots is the problem. I just watched the Cavs huck 100 threes in the Bucks game and the majority of them are open looks. The problem is, outside of Love/Lauri there isnt a single other player who Rubio/Garland can drive+kick to on the perimeter. Which is why giving Okoro/Stevens 40+ min per night is killing this teams offensive ceiling. Its essentially playing 4v5 every possession and limits your offensive diversity.

The Cavs desperately need a 3/D wing who can pull the defense out and knock down open 3s at a 38-43% rate to open up the offense more.

I wonder what it would take to get a guy like Buddy Heild, Harrison Barnes or any one of the 500 wings the Raps have. I also wonder if the Cavs FO recognize this massive hole in the roster and have any plans to aggressively fix it while the team is looking like a legit playoff team. If I know anything about Dan Gilbert, he doesnt have a lot of patience and wants the Cavs to win sooner rather than later.

If the Cavs have no plans to actually play Windler, package him + draft pick and see what you can get from these seller teams.

Cedi is shooting 40% on the year. His 1/8 sample size yesterday is roughly two fewer makes than you'd expect.

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:The problem is that they aren't getting those shots anyway in the 4th. I don't want a replacement-level guy, though. That's only marginally better than Rubio playing out-of-position and out-of-role.

If the Cavs want to eventually get to a place where they consistently beat good teams, then Lauri and Mobley are going to have to get shots in the 4th so the offense is less predictable and more difficult to defend. The way the Jazz sold out on Garland/Mobley on the last possession, and the Bucks began trapping Garland as soon as the Cavs closed the gap, is something you're going to see more and more often. The Spurs didn't have one guy that could beat you, they always had three (or even four with Green/Leonard). I'd rather Mobley and Lauri get pushed into being offensive threats in the fourth quarter and develop into legitimate secondary options with the game on the line than trade for a 2 guard who will have us defaulting into the Portland model. It's just a lot harder to scheme against multiple guys with size in the final two minutes and that's when games are won or lost in the post season. It's also a lot harder to defend them without fouling.

Mobley is 5/11 in crunch time, Lauri is 5/10 (1/6 on threes), Allen is 8/9. The big guys have done fine.

Garland is 8/23 (0/10 on threes), Rubio is 3/13 (1/9 on threes), Osman/Sexton/Okoro a combined 4/16 (2/9 on threes).

So I don't really see a big man problem in crunch time-- their volume is pretty much balanced as secondary guys. I see a problem with outside shooting that's mostly on our most-used guard pairing. We're a collective 5/41 from three in crunch time and Garland/Rubio are 1/19. Rubio's been fine historically in crunch time so maybe it's fatigue for him, or maybe he's got too much scoring responsibility; for Garland it's likely a combination of fatigue, adjusting to being the #1 option in crunch time. It's also a bit of small sample size individually, so either guy (or the whole team) may just turn it around without changing anything.

JBB's rotation has had Rubio play 14 of the last 18 minutes of the game and 16 of the last 18 minutes of the game the past two nights, and he's gone 0-4 at the end of games. That probably needs fixing, whether it's overlapping Rubio and Garland less during the game or putting Rubio/Garland on a similar rotation to Mobley/Allen, with Rubio in the starting lineup so he gets more than a few minutes of rest between his second-half stints.

Allen is essentially an extension of Garland in these numbers, but that aside, how are you defining crunch time? Are the games still close or are the Cavs up by 10+ points because it matters. I'm really curious as to how it's being defined as Garland is 0/10 on threes in your sample.

LivingLegend wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

toooskies wrote:Mobley is 5/11 in crunch time, Lauri is 5/10 (1/6 on threes), Allen is 8/9. The big guys have done fine.

Garland is 8/23 (0/10 on threes), Rubio is 3/13 (1/9 on threes), Osman/Sexton/Okoro a combined 4/16 (2/9 on threes).

So I don't really see a big man problem in crunch time-- their volume is pretty much balanced as secondary guys. I see a problem with outside shooting that's mostly on our most-used guard pairing. We're a collective 5/41 from three in crunch time and Garland/Rubio are 1/19. Rubio's been fine historically in crunch time so maybe it's fatigue for him, or maybe he's got too much scoring responsibility; for Garland it's likely a combination of fatigue, adjusting to being the #1 option in crunch time. It's also a bit of small sample size individually, so either guy (or the whole team) may just turn it around without changing anything.

JBB's rotation has had Rubio play 14 of the last 18 minutes of the game and 16 of the last 18 minutes of the game the past two nights, and he's gone 0-4 at the end of games. That probably needs fixing, whether it's overlapping Rubio and Garland less during the game or putting Rubio/Garland on a similar rotation to Mobley/Allen, with Rubio in the starting lineup so he gets more than a few minutes of rest between his second-half stints.

Yes, good points, but none of those numbers other than Allen's are actually good. Our crappy floor spacing makes everything much harder than it needs to be on the offensive end, and opponents get dialed in to close out games. otoh, our defense and junk offense is what is keeping us in these games to begin with.

If Garland gets where we hope, he's going to see a lot of trapping, ball denial, pressure, etc. In the Warrior's model Steph needed a secondary playmaker and reliable shooters. Sometimes having a young Harrison Barnes or Festus Ezeli as one of those shooters was a big problem.

If our defense is good enough we won't need the 3's but the 2's need to be a lot more reliable.

floor spacing isnt the problem, the Cavs have no problem getting open shots. Making the shots is the problem. I just watched the Cavs huck 100 threes in the Bucks game and the majority of them are open looks. The problem is, outside of Love/Lauri there isnt a single other player who Rubio/Garland can drive+kick to on the perimeter. Which is why giving Okoro/Stevens 40+ min per night is killing this teams offensive ceiling. Its essentially playing 4v5 every possession and limits your offensive diversity.

The Cavs desperately need a 3/D wing who can pull the defense out and knock down open 3s at a 38-43% rate to open up the offense more.

I wonder what it would take to get a guy like Buddy Heild, Harrison Barnes or any one of the 500 wings the Raps have. I also wonder if the Cavs FO recognize this massive hole in the roster and have any plans to aggressively fix it while the team is looking like a legit playoff team. If I know anything about Dan Gilbert, he doesnt have a lot of patience and wants the Cavs to win sooner rather than later.

If the Cavs have no plans to actually play Windler, package him + draft pick and see what you can get from these seller teams.

I'd want to be sure Lauri, and/or Mobley, isn't the guy you're looking for before trading for any of those players. The Raptors wings aren't great shooters. Buddy's a bad defender who is pretty high usage. Barnes is fine, but again, is he going to be more reliable than Mobley or Lauri in the long run, I'm skeptical. Folks just need to be a little more patient than 20+ games into a season in which we have three new starters and a starting 5 that's only played together for like 10+ games.