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Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#1 » by ijspeelman » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:37 pm

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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#2 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:34 am

This team is so talented, and so frustrating to watch.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#3 » by ijspeelman » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:41 am

Okoro with a drive and kick-out for a hockey assist, a corner three, and a step back three into an assist. Some good decisions offensively thus far.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#4 » by ijspeelman » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:12 am

Okoro has made two threes alert!
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#5 » by ijspeelman » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:53 am

Time to put Neto Okoro/Stevens Diakite IMo and RLo out for the fourth
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

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ijspeelman wrote:Time to put Neto Okoro/Stevens Diakite IMo and RLo out for the fourth


Just missing an IMo sighting
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

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ijspeelman wrote:Time to put Neto Okoro/Stevens Diakite IMo and RLo out for the fourth


Just missing an IMo sighting


Speak of the IMo
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#9 » by ijspeelman » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:45 am

Don't have much to say about the game today. Heat were missing a lot of peeps so this win was expected, but I am glad we won by 30ish.

Sucks LeVert went down with an ankle injury.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#10 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:45 am

Good game, but the Heat did us a huge favor with that zone they run.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

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jbk1234 wrote:Good game, but the Heat did us a huge favor with that zone they run.


According to John Michael/Brad D, that zone has caused team's to shoot 33% from three this season. We shot 35% against which is wild because it felt like our lineups had no spacing today.

I do think we have a good counter for the zone when Mobley is in where he can make a play from the middle of the floor.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#12 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:55 am

Seems we found out that being up 30 is the point in which JB will play more than 7 guys lol
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#13 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:56 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Good game, but the Heat did us a huge favor with that zone they run.


According to John Michael/Brad D, that zone has caused team's to shoot 33% from three this season. We shot 35% against which is wild because it felt like our lineups had no spacing today.

I do think we have a good counter for the zone when Mobley is in where he can make a play from the middle of the floor.


That's pretty much the point. Every other team in the NBA makes the Cavs shoot over 4 defenders with one foot in the paint.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

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jbk1234 wrote:Good game, but the Heat did us a huge favor with that zone they run.


According to John Michael/Brad D, that zone has caused team's to shoot 33% from three this season. We shot 35% against which is wild because it felt like our lineups had no spacing today.

I do think we have a good counter for the zone when Mobley is in where he can make a play from the middle of the floor.


That's pretty much the point. Every other team in the NBA makes the Cavs shoot over 4 defenders with one foot in the paint.


Our spacing is going to be awful while Love, Wade, and LeVert (and Windler ig) are out. I assume Neto will get an extended run tomorrow.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#15 » by toooskies » Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:09 am

jbk1234 wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Good game, but the Heat did us a huge favor with that zone they run.


According to John Michael/Brad D, that zone has caused team's to shoot 33% from three this season. We shot 35% against which is wild because it felt like our lineups had no spacing today.

I do think we have a good counter for the zone when Mobley is in where he can make a play from the middle of the floor.


That's pretty much the point. Every other team in the NBA makes the Cavs shoot over 4 defenders with one foot in the paint.

That's how most teams play most teams, especially the ones without rim protectors.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#16 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:12 am

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
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According to John Michael/Brad D, that zone has caused team's to shoot 33% from three this season. We shot 35% against which is wild because it felt like our lineups had no spacing today.

I do think we have a good counter for the zone when Mobley is in where he can make a play from the middle of the floor.


That's pretty much the point. Every other team in the NBA makes the Cavs shoot over 4 defenders with one foot in the paint.

That's how most teams play most teams, especially the ones without rim protectors.


Not when you can make them pay for doing so.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#17 » by toooskies » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:10 am

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
That's pretty much the point. Every other team in the NBA makes the Cavs shoot over 4 defenders with one foot in the paint.

That's how most teams play most teams, especially the ones without rim protectors.


Not when you can make them pay for doing so.

And we did tonight.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#18 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:19 am

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:That's how most teams play most teams, especially the ones without rim protectors.


Not when you can make them pay for doing so.

And we did tonight.


Right, but the ball movement was a lot better because the Heat left the top of the painted area for Mobley to operate out of which forced them into all kinds of Helter skelter rotations.

They're a well run organization for the most part, it's the regular season, and they're short handed, but it's really stupid to deploy the same defensive scheme regardless of your opponents strengths and weaknesses.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#19 » by toooskies » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:33 am

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Not when you can make them pay for doing so.

And we did tonight.


Right, but the ball movement was a lot better because the Heat left the top of the painted area for Mobley to operate out of which forced them into all kinds of Helter skelter rotations.

They're a well run organization for the most part, it's the regular season, and they're short handed, but it's really stupid to deploy the same defensive scheme regardless of your opponents strengths and weaknesses.

Not every team tries to switch their tactics every game.
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Re: Game 16: Heat @ Cavs 11/20/2022 

Post#20 » by JonFromVA » Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:20 am

Sploestra should have tried something else, but I sure don't take the Cavs beating a zone, a press, or anything out of the ordinary for granted.

I sure don't take beating a short handed team for granted either .... We've turned guys like Struss in to a star before.

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