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Congrats Cleveland legend Luke Kornet (I went to one of the two games he played for us lol) for winning an NBA championship and starting the official off-season.

Uh oh, is Allen gone? Or is this him standing up to the JB shade?

Welp, Terry Pluto just e-mailed me back, Cavs can start discussing the extension with Mitchell now, so that helps.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-nba-free-agency-negotiations-can-get-started-earlier-this-year-thanks-to-new-cba-wrinkle/

JujitsuFlip wrote:Uh oh, is Allen gone? Or is this him standing up to the JB shade?

Seems to be standing up for Allen. Doubt Mitchell would be giving a farewell to Allen this early or leaking it

JujitsuFlip wrote:Uh oh, is Allen gone? Or is this him standing up to the JB shade?

I think Morris, and possibly TT, follow JB out of town as well. It's okay to think Allen should've tried the shot. It's permissible to have a conversation with him about it (and maybe that conversation changes your mind). But, if you're 9-12 on the depth chart, and in your final years as an NBA player, don't run your mouth to the press about it.

jbk1234 wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:Uh oh, is Allen gone? Or is this him standing up to the JB shade?

I think Morris, and possibly TT, follow JB out of town as well. It's okay to think Allen should've tried the shot. It's permissible to have a conversation with him about it (and maybe that conversation changes your mind). But, if you're 9-12 on the depth chart, and in your final years as an NBA player, don't run your mouth to the press about it.

Yeah, Morris is definitely out. As much as Altman likes to look at analytics, the broad strokes analytics of his performance look bad and he'd be out on merit. The comments after the season seal it.

TT has more of a case to be around, but I'd really prefer to upgrade our backup big spot more. Maybe we address that in the draft and TT takes the Damian Jones spot on the roster in case the draftee needs some time to adjust?

I definitely don't think Mitchell would be leaking an Allen trade before Woj or Shams, and I especially don't think a day would pass without details leaking if there was a trade in place. It's entirely about the JBB shade.

Dean Wade is walking away in the picture, clearly a dead man.

Sometimes Chris Fedor really annoys me. He has his favorites on the Cavs and he has players he just buries, and frankly, his BBIQ is middling.

jbk1234 wrote:Sometimes Chris Fedor really annoys me. He has his favorites on the Cavs and he has players he just buries, and frankly, his BBIQ is middling.

Care to share what in particular or is this more of a general statement?

JujitsuFlip wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:Sometimes Chris Fedor really annoys me. He has his favorites on the Cavs and he has players he just buries, and frankly, his BBIQ is middling.

Care to share what in particular or is this more of a general statement?

He's basically ranting that the Cavs ask on Garland is too high after his *wretched* season, and I'm like put his numbers, from his (injury-plagued) *wretched* season up against the average PG in the NBA (better yet, put his numbers up against the players we're being offered for him). When your player's down year is average, that's a sign you've got a really good one.

Like, unless he's prepared to name the wing he thinks we should trade him for, or the player we should select with the draft pick, just piss off with that, because the last guy he cheerleaded for was LeVert.

I think the media is bored of injuries. Using it as an excuse doesn't generate page hits. Even Windy was recently complaining about people who want to put an asterisk on the Celtic's championship because of all the depleted teams they beat or didn't have to beat.

On the other hand, the frequency our key players keep getting injured is problematic.

JonFromVA wrote:I think the media is bored of injuries. Using it as an excuse doesn't generate page hits. Even Windy was recently complaining about people who want to put an asterisk on the Celtic's championship because of all the depleted teams they beat or didn't have to beat.

On the other hand, the frequency our key players keep getting injured is problematic.

Not as problematic as, say, Philly with Embiid. Milwaukee had 1st round losses two years in a row due to Giannis getting hurt and his title was heavily aided by opposing injuries. Luka wasn't 100% in the playoffs.

On one hand, we need guys like Garland or Wade as two very prominent instances to push the limits of their athleticism to be effective. On the other hand, when you push the limits of your athleticism you are prone to get hurt.

toooskies wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:I think the media is bored of injuries. Using it as an excuse doesn't generate page hits. Even Windy was recently complaining about people who want to put an asterisk on the Celtic's championship because of all the depleted teams they beat or didn't have to beat.

On the other hand, the frequency our key players keep getting injured is problematic.

Not as problematic as, say, Philly with Embiid. Milwaukee had 1st round losses two years in a row due to Giannis getting hurt and his title was heavily aided by opposing injuries. Luka wasn't 100% in the playoffs.

On one hand, we need guys like Garland or Wade as two very prominent instances to push the limits of their athleticism to be effective. On the other hand, when you push the limits of your athleticism you are prone to get hurt.

We've never seen our team in the playoffs at full health, so, we have no way to gauge our upside. Thanks to his easy path to a championship, nobody questions Giannis like they do all of our players.

We'll see what actually happens, but JB Bickerstaff primarily knows how to coach effort and push minutes. A more creative and more secure coach will hopefully change that and effectively reduce the load and demands on the players. It won't stop Garland from taking an elbow in the eye, but it might cut down on some of the wear and tear and injures.

tbd.

JonFromVA wrote:I think the media is bored of injuries. Using it as an excuse doesn't generate page hits. Even Windy was recently complaining about people who want to put an asterisk on the Celtic's championship because of all the depleted teams they beat or didn't have to beat.

On the other hand, the frequency our key players keep getting injured is problematic.

Everyone was relatively healthy against the Knicks and it went poorly. You can at least hope for fewer injuries with better load management under a new coach. The entire Eastern Conference got wiped out by injuries this season so I'm inclined to believe that it's either anomalous or load management has become that much more important with more than 2/3 of the league playing hard the entire season due to the play-in.

I would like to believe that the wear and tear injuries of the past 3 seasons/post seasons left on May 23rd, 2024.

JujitsuFlip wrote:I would like to believe that the wear and tear injuries of the past 3 seasons/post seasons left on May 23rd, 2024.

If only the Knicks, Pacers, Heat, Sixers, Bucks, Clippers, and Pelicans weren't coached by JBB this year, they might've had a shot at a title.

In a league that is as competitive as ever, players have to play hard to win. Coaches are going to do what they need to do to win games and keep their jobs. The league is actively trying to disincentivize rest days for players. 82 games at the current degree of NBA intensity in the regular season is too many.

The Cavs aren't as dominant as the Spurs teams that often had their stars rest and purposely take an L and not impact their season. A bunch of teams are in the 45+ win range.

toooskies wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:I would like to believe that the wear and tear injuries of the past 3 seasons/post seasons left on May 23rd, 2024.

If only the Knicks, Pacers, Heat, Sixers, Bucks, Clippers, and Pelicans weren't coached by JBB this year, they might've had a shot at a title.

In a league that is as competitive as ever, players have to play hard to win. Coaches are going to do what they need to do to win games and keep their jobs. The league is actively trying to disincentivize rest days for players. 82 games at the current degree of NBA intensity in the regular season is too many.

The Cavs aren't as dominant as the Spurs teams that often had their stars rest and purposely take an L and not impact their season. A bunch of teams are in the 45+ win range.

Still a jb apologist, i see lol

After Allen called out jb for his terrible defensive gameplan in the game 3 blowout to the Magic to only play 28 minutes the rest of the post season after that is telling.

Marcus Morris to be on the team 6 weeks and to publicly say he could tell players were not receptive to what jb was saying.

Rumors of someone saying Allen coulda played with the rib injury, turns out it was jb saying it as once he was fired he didn't mince words in praising Luka.

Allen played in the prior 2 postseasons for jb while being hurt.

Mitchell played through the entire post season hurt for jb until he sat down. Then to post a pic with Allen in solidarity after their former coach called both of them + LeVert out, it is very telling.

Allen, Mitchell, and LeVert all coulda played in game 5, I'm sure, they were just fed up with the trash can that is jb bickerstaff. And kudos to them for finally helping get that bum fired.

jb lost the locker room after the gentleman's sweep to the Knicks. Saying his players needed to be tougher and in better shape, zero accountability, guy is a clown.

JujitsuFlip wrote:

toooskies wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:I would like to believe that the wear and tear injuries of the past 3 seasons/post seasons left on May 23rd, 2024.

If only the Knicks, Pacers, Heat, Sixers, Bucks, Clippers, and Pelicans weren't coached by JBB this year, they might've had a shot at a title.

In a league that is as competitive as ever, players have to play hard to win. Coaches are going to do what they need to do to win games and keep their jobs. The league is actively trying to disincentivize rest days for players. 82 games at the current degree of NBA intensity in the regular season is too many.

The Cavs aren't as dominant as the Spurs teams that often had their stars rest and purposely take an L and not impact their season. A bunch of teams are in the 45+ win range.

Still a jb apologist, i see lol

After Allen called out jb for his terrible defensive gameplan in the game 3 blowout to the Magic to only play 28 minutes the rest of the post season after that is telling.

Marcus Morris to be on the team 6 weeks and to publicly say he could tell players were not receptive to what jb was saying.

Rumors of someone saying Allen coulda played with the rib injury, turns out it was jb saying it as once he was fired he didn't mince words in praising Luka.

Allen played in the prior 2 postseasons for jb while being hurt.

Mitchell played through the entire post season hurt for jb until he sat down. Then to post a pic with Allen in solitary after their former coach called both of them + LeVert out, it is very telling.

Allen, Mitchell, and LeVert all coulda played in game 5, I'm sure, they were just fed up with the trash can that is jb bickerstaff. And kudos to them for finally helping get that bum fired.

jb lost the locker room after the gentleman's sweep to the Knicks. Saying his players needed to be tougher and in better shape, zero accountability, guy is a clown.

Not an apologist-- don't like the Luka comments-- but I'm asking you why you think other coaches magically keep their players healthy. I gave you a list of teams that all had postseasons short-circuited by injury. I didn't even mention Memphis, or teams like the Lakers or Golden State in past years. Heck, even Boston lost Porzingis for most of the playoffs and trotted him out for game 5 for 16 minutes against medical recommendation. And even they are only a little more than a year out from losing a game 7 against Miami because of Tatum's sprained ankle.

Jayson Tatum played more 40 minute games himself than Garland and Mitchell combined (and I they had the most 40 minute games of our starters), but JBB is somehow the only coach that runs down his players?

I think you're just setting yourself up to be able to complain about the next guy.

jbk1234 wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:I think the media is bored of injuries. Using it as an excuse doesn't generate page hits. Even Windy was recently complaining about people who want to put an asterisk on the Celtic's championship because of all the depleted teams they beat or didn't have to beat.

On the other hand, the frequency our key players keep getting injured is problematic.

Everyone was relatively healthy against the Knicks and it went poorly. You can at least hope for fewer injuries with better load management under a new coach. The entire Eastern Conference got wiped out by injuries this season so I'm inclined to believe that it's either anomalous or load management has become that much more important with more than 2/3 of the league playing hard the entire season due to the play-in.

I disagree with the assessment that we were relatively healthy in the Knicks series. Some guys have the headroom to play through injuries and still have an impact - I think Don demonstrated this this year - but some guys would be better off not playing at all. At least the team could move on and try to find someone to make a positive impact.

And it can certainly be argued that it was unrealistic of the Cavs to expect Ricky Rubio to recover from his injury and have an impact in the playoffs; but he's what Bickerstaff had and the only played he trusted in the backup PG role.

The problems the Cavs had with injuries goes way deeper than the games Wade and Rubio missed.

JujitsuFlip wrote:I would like to believe that the wear and tear injuries of the past 3 seasons/post seasons left on May 23rd, 2024.

Fingers crossed.