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This deal works in terms of salries and the cap...

Zach Randolph

for

Newble
Marshall
Snow
08 2nd rounder

anyone hear think Zach is worth the risk? We lose nothing in this deal...

I thought that we should have gone after Randolph this summer. I thought he would be a great pickup and would recover from his black hole and no defense problems. I was wrong. Very wrong. I dont want this guy anywhere near our team. Props to Ferry for not making a mistake that many of us wanted him to do.

no way. I never wanted him. I mean he put up numbers in por, but he's a jump shooter, he's basically drew gooden but a bit better scorer. no d. no way.

Curry id take for that plus anything but Gibson or a 1st.

lebron isnt talented enough?

I thought hoops was going to suggest trading LeBron to bring in a WHOLE BUNCH of talent...

L&H_05 wrote:I thought hoops was going to suggest trading LeBron to bring in a WHOLE BUNCH of talent...

does anyone still think my lebron for gilbert and caron suggestion from last season is still rediculous?

I do

I think even you think its "rediculous" now.

Savvy?

hoopsdownlow wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



does anyone still think my lebron for gilbert and caron suggestion from last season is still rediculous?

yes it still is

DonJuanCapistro wrote:Zach Randolph

for

Newble
Marshall
Snow
08 2nd rounder

We don't have our 08 2nd this year, thanks to the Milt Palacio deal a few years back.

Oh the jokes me and my friends used to make about Milt Polacio's last name....

how about kwame brown and vujacic for shannon brown and a 2nd rounder?

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does anyone still think my lebron for gilbert and caron suggestion from last season is still rediculous?

no i like my trade better cavs can become the new knicks wooooooooo

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Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -15.2 ppg, -6.7 rpg, and -3.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
2.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 12.1 minutes
Jared Jeffries
6-11 PF from Indiana
2.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.4 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
18.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.6 apg in 40.9 minutes
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
17.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
13.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.6 apg in 33.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Devin Brown
6-5 SG from Texas-San Antonio
6.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 21.5 minutes
Ira Newble
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
3.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.2 minutes
Damon Jones
6-3 PG / SG from Houston
5.3 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.0 minutes
Donyell Marshall
6-9 SF / PF from Connecticut
2.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10.9 minutes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
7-3 C from Lithuania (Foreign)
13.1 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 30.6 minutes
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.2 apg in 27.4 minutes
LeBron James
6-8 SG / SF from St. Vincent-St. Mary (HS)
29.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 7.5 apg in 39.8 minutes
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +15.2 ppg, +6.7 rpg, and +3.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Devin Brown
6-5 SG from Texas-San Antonio
6.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 21.5 minutes
Ira Newble
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
3.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.2 minutes
Damon Jones
6-3 PG / SG from Houston
5.3 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.0 minutes
Donyell Marshall
6-9 SF / PF from Connecticut
2.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10.9 minutes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
7-3 C from Lithuania (Foreign)
13.1 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 30.6 minutes
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.2 apg in 27.4 minutes
LeBron James
6-8 SG / SF from St. Vincent-St. Mary (HS)
29.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 7.5 apg in 39.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
2.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 12.1 minutes
Jared Jeffries
6-11 PF from Indiana
2.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.4 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
18.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.6 apg in 40.9 minutes
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
17.1 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
13.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.6 apg in 33.3 minutes

Sure why not. I am probably one of the few Kwame Brown fans on the planet. He's got hands of stone but he's a very good defensive player. It doesn't hurt that his contract is expiring. Of course the problem is that the Cavs would have to throw more into this deal in order for the contracts to be even remotely close. Sasha and Shannon are about a wash which means the Cavs needs to try to get close to Kwame's 9 mil.

throw in lebron so the trade can go throught.

you need to trade gooden/varejao for that trade to make any sense

I would just assume that Cleveland would trade Gooden in a separate deal. But they really wouldn't "have" to move him. It just means that Varejao would get more of his minutes behind Z.

Arroyo30 wrote:how about kwame brown and vujacic for shannon brown and a 2nd rounder?

The salaries aren't close to matching there. I don't even know if Vujacic for Brown works. I'd have to check salaries.

I was looking at a trade between Cle and Atl that I think would benefit both teams.


Atlanta Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Ira Newble
6-7 SF from Miami-OH

Outgoing Players
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C /PF from Georgia (Foreign)
2nd rd Pick

Cleveland Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / PF from Georgia (Foreign)
2nd rd pick
Outgoing Players
Ira Newble
6-7 SF from Miami-OH


Zaza has fallen out of favor in Atl and his minutes are half what they were the last two seasons. He averaged 12pts and ~8rebs per game the last two seasons. He's a tough defender. He kind of reminds me of Z but with a better back to the basket game. I think Z can refine him to become an efficent starter again and hopefully bring his rebounds up to double digits and possibly take over for Z since he is only 23.
Atl does this simply to get the expiring because they are shopping players because they are having a problem figuring out how to resign Childress and Josh Smith so I think that we could do it straight up but the 2nd pick is because they are desperate.

zaza for damon jones!!!!!