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Here's the problem with the Cavs signing Sam "I AM"
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:24 pm
by heathmalc
The Cleveland Cavaliers could use either of these players come play-off time, but the problem with signing either is that the Cavaliers would have to leave somebody off their playoff roster.
Currently, the Cavaliers have 13 players under contract for the season (plus the 2 ten-day contracts)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Dwayne Jones, Ben Wallace, Anderson Varejao, Joe Smith, LeBron James, Devin Brown, Wally Szczerbiak, Sasha Pavlovic, Daniel Gibson, Delonte West, Damon Jones, and Eric Snow.
The ONLY player they would consider replacing is Dwayne Jones, and due to the number of minutes he has played this season, and his contribution to the team, I don't see them doing it.
Others that people think could be replaced are Snow, Damon or Sasha
There is no way they take Snow off the roster. He is a major leader to this team and is still a defensive stopper.
Damon jones is in the top 4 among ALL pgs this season in TS% (True shooting percentage), and he is not going to be replaced.
Sasha was on the finals team last year and is considered a "core" player...he wont be replaced.
That being said...I don't believe the Cavaliers will be signing either of the players...even if they begged to play for us. We just don't have room for them!
(The playoff roster is limited to 13 players - for those of you that don't know)
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:48 pm
by CzBoobie
Cassel will sign with the Celtics, I would bet anything on it.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:58 pm
by heathmalc
I tend to agree with that...despite rumors saying that he was considering Denver (who is also after Barry).
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:46 pm
by Hydroponic3385
Sam to Boston. Brent to Phoenix. Magloire to Dallas. That'd be my prediction.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:24 pm
by the sockk
Sam to Denver would not surprise me.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:51 pm
by heathmalc
I'd MUCH rather see him goto Denver, but it is probably in his best interest to goto Boston, as they have a MUCH easier road than Denver.
I think Sam will goto Boston...but there is a decent chance they will try to get Brent instead , because of his 3pt ability.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:55 pm
by B Mac
They would take Snow off the active roster in a heartbeat if it meant getting Cassell on it. Lets be serious here. Snow's best attribute his is experience and coaching ability and he can still give us that from the bench where he normally does come playoff time. Do you really think Snow would get meaningful minutes in the playoffs anyway?
Re: Here's the problem with the Cavs signing Sam "I AM&
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:18 pm
by oikosnomos
heathmalc wrote:(The playoff roster is limited to 13 players - for those of you that don't know)
I think they did away with that this year. I think you can have your full roster.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:19 pm
by heathmalc
B Mac wrote:They would take Snow off the active roster in a heartbeat if it meant getting Cassell on it. Lets be serious here. Snow's best attribute his is experience and coaching ability and he can still give us that from the bench where he normally does come playoff time. Do you really think Snow would get meaningful minutes in the playoffs anyway?
No, I don't think he'd get meaningful minutes...but he may get situational minutes and garbage time.
Eric Snow has so much respect from both the league and the players, that I think they wouldn't keep him off the roster...so he could play on a championship team...in the finals.
That being said, you make a very good point. And if it came down to it, I'd like to see the Cavs sign Sam. Brent is gonna re-sign with the Spurs I think...unless someone offers him more than the vet-minimum..then he may go somewhere else...but I think he's headed back to the Spurs.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:11 pm
by CzBoobie
heathmalc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Eric Snow has so much respect from both the league and the players, that I think they wouldn't keep him off the roster...so he could play on a championship team...in the finals.
He already did three times, his team never won

...He is completely useless on the court at this point with this kind of depth. He still can be part of the team, as an assistent coach or whatever, can't he? If Ferry got chance to land Cassel, he would cut Snow in a heartbeat. But I really don't see it happening.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:27 pm
by heathmalc
CzBron wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
He already did three times,
his team never won 
...He is completely useless on the court at this point with this kind of depth. He still can be part of the team, as an assistent coach or whatever, can't he? If Ferry got chance to land Cassel, he would cut Snow in a heartbeat. But I really don't see it happening.
Then it wasn't a
"CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM"
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:09 pm
by CzBoobie
heathmalc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Then it wasn't a "CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM"
ok, I meant in the finals...
You talk like we are a lock to win it all, that's little bit premature to say the least.
Do they have and exception to pull him off waivers?
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:21 pm
by tigrao
Do they have and exception to pull him off waivers?
Or do they have to compete with everyother team in their efforts to sign him?
What about the Chicago waiver they acquired?
Do they have any other exceptions?
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:28 pm
by B Mac
Picking someone up that is a free agent has nothing to do with exceptions.
Sam will be unrestricted and will be free to sign with any team he wants to.
then Why
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:40 pm
by tigrao
Then why does this article talk about picking him off of waivers
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... r-Sun.html
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:43 pm
by heathmalc
B Mac wrote:Picking someone up that is a free agent has nothing to do with exceptions.
Sam will be unrestricted and will be free to sign with any team he wants to.
B-Mac...
Sam Cassell isn't a free-agent until he clears waivers.
A team under the salary-cap or with a salary exception that would pay for Sam's pro-rated salary (about 1.6 million dollars), can grab him BEFORE he becomes a free agent.
Golden State can do this, Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago, Cleveland (that I know of). There may be other teams out there with an exception big enough to grab him, but not too many that are in the title-hunt.
Sam agrees to a buy-out, but before it (contract) is bought-out (officially), he is put on the waiver wire... if someone picks him up, then L.A. is off the hook for his salary and no buy-out is needed. If he clears the wire, then the buy-out is completed and Sam becomes an UFA.
Trivia
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:46 pm
by tigrao
Trivia: Who is Danny Ferry's agent?
Trivia: Who is Sam Cassell's agent?
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:41 am
by celticfan42487
Actually they would have to pick up his entire salary. About 6 or 8 million I can't recall.
Not the 1 to 2 million thing, that's what he gets bought out as [reportedly the owner actually got the buyout down to 800k wich is quite low]
And yes it would have to be from a trade exception and/or room of a team under the cap.
It's like a trade when a team picks someone up on waivers yet the team can't trade him for another player... so therefore MLE and the such can't be used either.
That's why Brent Barry is a free agent or teams should of just picked him up off the waivers if it was easy.
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:06 am
by heathmalc
celticfan42487 wrote:Actually they would have to pick up his entire salary. About 6 or 8 million I can't recall.
Not the 1 to 2 million thing, that's what he gets bought out as [reportedly the owner actually got the buyout down to 800k wich is quite low]
And yes it would have to be from a trade exception and/or room of a team under the cap.
It's like a trade when a team picks someone up on waivers yet the team can't trade him for another player... so therefore MLE and the such can't be used either.
That's why Brent Barry is a free agent or teams should of just picked him up off the waivers if it was easy.
Yes, they would have to pick-up his entire salary...but it WOULD be pro-rated for the season, IE: 1.6 million
Posted: Sat Mar 1, 2008 12:17 am
by sixersinsider
As an outsider lookin in Lebron needs to WALK TO SAMS HOUSE knock on the door of the house and use words like... PLEASE...PRETTY PLEASE.. I BEG OF YOU...to join the cavs...Blood thirsty...savvy..vetrans..make the road back to the finals possible.