Pavlovic, Devin, or Wally?

spurket · Post #1 » by **spurket** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:08 am

Pavlovic
on court: -76, 969 minutes
off court: +52, 2232 minutes

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708CLE.HTM

Do you think his +/- numbers will improve over the next 16 regular season games?

I prefer Devin and Wally.

Pavlovic's on court (-76) and off court (+52) numbers are the worst of any player currently on the roster.

FlightNo.23 · Post #2 » by **FlightNo.23** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:24 am

Pavlovic has had a terrible start to the season. He held out all training camp and when he came back he wasn't the same guy we were used to seeing last season. He had kind of stretch where he turned around, but got hurt and missed 1+ months.

In the long run, I'll take him over Devin. He'll probably be our SG for the next few years; As for Wally, hopefully he gets on track. His shot has been awful lately.

Post #3 » by **B Mac** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:05 pm

Currently, Pavlovic, Devin, Wally. How I'd like it to be come playoff time, Pavlovic, Wally, Devin.

heathmalc · Post #4 » by **heathmalc** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:25 pm

Normally I'd want Sasha. However, until he is 100% healthy and shows he can hit shots, then he's have to split time with Devin, who has been the most consistent player we have after LeBron and Zydrunas. Wally would be a match-up player. I'd never start him unless it was absolutely necessary. As for the Devin vs Wally argument - Devin has been here all year and has meshed with the team - in-addition, he plays good defense.
He hits 3's consistently and drives the ball well. He is the best free-agent pick-up we've had since LeBron came to the Cavs in '03.

Wally is shooting 32% from the field and 36% from behind the line - and most of those have been wide-open shots. Wally needs to PROVE that he deserves minutes!!!!! I'd put Damon in before him!

mg · Post #5 » by mg » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:36 pm

In Mike Brown's system, Pavlovic will get the nod over Devin because of his length and athleticism to defend opposing SG's and SF's in the playoffs. I'm a Devin Brown fan but he's a bit of a liability defending the Vince Carter and Caron Butler types.

Wally needs to get his shot going or he will lose his PT when Boobie comes back. I think even Damon has moved ahead of Wally now. The Cavs need shooters off the bench and right now Damon is hitting shots and Wally isn't.

If Wally isn't knocking down shots he doesn't have much else to offer on the floor.

Hydroponic3385 · Post #6 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:45 pm

I'd be fine with

Z / Andy
Ben / Joe
Lebron / Devin
Sasha / Boobie
Delonte / Damon

I agree, Wally has to start earning his PT.

heathmalc · Post #7 » by **heathmalc** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:40 pm

Hydroponic3385 wrote:I'd be fine with

Z / Andy
Ben / Joe
Lebron / Devin
Sasha / Boobie
Delonte / Damon

I agree, Wally has to start earning his PT.

I like this line-up, but I'd put Damon at SG and Boobie at PG.

The reason is that Boobie can defend a PG and Damon can't. Boobie is too small to defend most SG's, so if we play Boobie at SG, then we have 2 liabilities on "D".... whereas if Boobie plays PG, we only have one, because Boobie can defend most PGs. Damon can't defend no-matter where he is, but because he can shoot, he'll make the SG defending him work on the defensive side.

Wally can be the third option at SG or SF.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #8 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:22 pm

Hydroponic3385 wrote:I'd be fine with

Z / Andy
Ben / Joe
Lebron / Devin
Sasha / Boobie
Delonte / Damon

I agree, Wally has to start earning his PT.

I'm fine with this.

Hydroponic3385 · Post #9 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:59 pm

Maybe if we give Wally the crap minutes like we used to give Damon, he'll all the sudden find his shot and catch on fire for a while. Seemed to work for Damon once Brown gave him a chance again.

eyejayem · Post #10 » by **eyejayem** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:59 pm

I'm taking Pavs all day. Last year he was the most consistant he has ever been and his defense was some of the best in the East. Remember Pavs was always an offensive player but he only started playing and eventually ended up in the starting lineup last year was because of his defense( I guess defending Lebron teaches you something). I think he has the biggest impact on Delonte's growth because we wont get burned at both guard positions and we can get back to the defense that we seen last year. His length and his offense wears on you.

Post #11 » by **Icness** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:12 pm

mg wrote:In Mike Brown's system, Pavlovic will get the nod over Devin because of his length and athleticism to defend opposing SG's and SF's in the playoffs. I'm a Devin Brown fan but he's a bit of a liability defending the Vince Carter and Caron Butler types.

Wally needs to get his shot going or he will lose his PT when Boobie comes back. I think even Damon has moved ahead of Wally now. The Cavs need shooters off the bench and right now Damon is hitting shots and Wally isn't.

If Wally isn't knocking down shots he doesn't have much else to offer on the floor.

What he said.
I like Devin Brown in a more limited-assignment role, kind of the way the Pistons use Jarvis Hayes. When the matchups work to his game, he plays well and gets lots of minutes, but when he's struggling or the matchups don't suit it, he sits.

The one area where I think Wally really helps is at the end of games. He's an outstanding FT shooter and can handle the ball well for a bigger guy. In close games or when milking a lead, those are the top two skills needed to get a win.