Next year's moves

Hydroponic3385 · Post #1 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 4:51 am

Who should we re-sign? Sign? Who should we draft? What should be the top trades we try for?

I say we re-sign Delonte and Boobie. If possible, I'd like Devin as well, but that's up to Gilbert and how much he doesn't care about going over the cap.

We should try our best to keep our draft pick this year while still making a huge trade. With our pick we either get a solid big (Arthur, Thabeet, Hibbert, etc.) or a definite scorer (Greene, T. Smith, etc.).

With the trade, we will have obviously near 30 million in expirings. We'll also have a handful of future 2nd rounders to use, and possibly a future 1st. On top of that, I think Sasha (duh), Boobie (sad to say it, but it's true) and Andy need to ALL be tradeable.

Do you think expirings (however much necessary), a future 1st and 2nd (or this year's 1st, if need be), taking back one of their **** contracts (Gadz or Simmons), Sasha, and either Boobie or Andy would be enough to land Redd? If so, do you think giving up Boobie or Andy in addition to the rest is too much?

If we end up trading say....Andy, Sasha, Wally, Snow and a future 1st for Redd, Gadzuric (no idea if the salaries work out, but that can be adjusted with various expirings)...I think we'd be looking great. No idea if that's close to acceptable to Bucks fans though.

Z / Joe / Gadzuric
Ben / D. Arthur (draft)
LBJ / Devin or Posey (free agency)
Redd / Boobie
Delonte / Damon

I think that looks nice. And if we did the Redd deal over the summer, we'd probably be up there with any other team to nab those clutch and cheap free agent signings (like Posey, House, PJ Brown, etc.).

What do you guys disagree with? What's unrealistic? What would you guys want to realistically do with our team next year? And yes I realize this season is not over

Super Bad · Post #2 » by **Super Bad** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 6:22 am

I think that a big off season question is Devin Brown, Boobie is going to be resigned for sure. When Lebron is not on the court Devin Brown is one of the few guys that create his own shot and distribute by diving to the line. We need to resign him, I hope that Gillbert comes up big.
I am not totally signed on Redd he is volume shooter and not much else, Buck fans are not very happy with that huge contract and his lack of production.
Your right we do have a lot of money in expiring contracts lets see what Danny can do with them, Keep the faith!

kiwibrindle · Post #3 » by **kiwibrindle** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 11:11 am

Whatever it is, do what you can now while Lebron is here. The window is closing.

jimmywolfrey · Post #4 » by **jimmywolfrey** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 12:47 pm

I think it actually starts with what Delonte wants to do. Cavs will submit their qualifying offer... He is a restricted free agent and most likely will get an offer from another team. I know he will probably want to stay with the Cavs if he continues to get the playing time. He easily could get 3-5 contract for between 4-6 million from another team with some cash. The Cavs would be better off signing to that because his upside could make his contract really cheap in a few years.

calibanPK · Post #5 » by **calibanPK** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 2:19 pm

Get rid of Joe Borowski, oh wait this is the Cavs forums.

&!%* it anyways, if you live in or near Cleveland you know what I'm talking about. :nonono:

Post #6 » by **B Mac** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:45 pm

Last night's game was so tough I could barely watch. Talk about getting your heart ripped out and stomped on. To score the runs in the top of the ninth only for the bottom to turn into that disaster? That one stung.

Super Bad · Post #7 » by **Super Bad** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 5:45 pm

The Cavs also need to hire an assistant coach that run on actual offense. I am about 95% sure that Mike Brown doesn't have one.

eyejayem · Post #8 » by **eyejayem** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 7:53 pm

1. Get the offensive assistant coach, the euroleague coach that Brown studied under is called an offensive guru but Brown never brought anything back so why not bring him over since he is rumored to want to come to the NBA and be an assistant 1st.

2. Resign Boobie, Delonte, and possibly Devin

3a. Before Draft see if you can get another 1st rder which some teams who would consider trading or even early 2nd rders(Utah,Portland,etc). Draft a big and a wing to be part of this future nucleus.

3b. Draft a Big(scoring/shotblocker) and use expirings or tradable assets on a wing (Mike Miller/Vince Carter/Redd)

3c. Draft a Wing(scorer/ballhandling/defender) and use expirings on a big (Jermaine O'Neal/Lamar Odom/Al Harrington)

3d. If you must trade 1st rd pick there are enough expirings + tradable assets to go "win now" and get a big and wing.

4. Still have the mid-level exception to try and toss around: Ron Artest, JR SMith, Gerald Green(risk),James Posey,Mikael Pietrus,Ryan Gomez,etc.

5. Have Lebron and the gang mature a little bit more and win the Chip if they dont this year.

Cevap · Post #9 » by **Cevap** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:06 pm

I wouldn't offer Gerald Green the minimum wage. That guy is horrible.

Post #10 » by **B Mac** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:29 pm

I would only offer the MLE to about two of the guys you listed, but the rest of your list looks decent to me.

My main objective's for this offseason would be to:
- Resign Boobie and Delonte
- Actively look to find that second weapon. The top two names on my list are Brand and Redd then probably Mike Miller after that.
- Try to pick up an extra pick.
- With the higher of the two draft the best big available, with the second draft the best player available.
- Bring in Messina (I think thats his name) from Europe to be our offensive guru and let him install whatever offense he sees fit.

Then after that go to church every day and pray that we dont have another injury plagued year.

Hydroponic3385 · Post #11 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 10:31 pm

Let's say that Andy, Wally, Sasha and pick/picks ('09 first or 2 second rounders or whatever) are traded for Redd and Gadzuric. I'm pretty sure the money works out there, and it's not a bad trade for the Bucks.

The Cavs would still have expirings in Snow (7.3 mil), Smith (5.2 mil - I think?), and Damon (4.5 mil). Do you think there's any pretty good big man we could get for those expirings? Say for Smith and Snow? Or would we likely just be done after trading for Redd?

LiquidFire · Post #12 » by **LiquidFire** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 10:53 pm

please dont get redd. i dont like him, hes a chucker and thats all he can do. id much rather get mike miller, as he would provide atleast some defense and can rebound and slash. or vince carter...

mike miller would be #1 on my list tho, and kirk hinrich would be nice aswell...

Hydroponic3385 · Post #13 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 12:16 am

Mike Miller would definitely come much cheaper as well. What do you think it'd take for Memphis to do a trade? Just expirings and maybe Sasha or a pick? Or would we have to give up something more significant?

eyejayem · Post #14 » by **eyejayem** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:13 am

I second that. Michael Redd is definately on the bottom of my list. Mike Miller and Vince Carter(since the Kidd trade he's rediculous) and for a Big I dont think we can get Brand unless he opts out and then a Sign and trade. Jermaine O neal we could possibly get. Brand and Marion are on their final year so we cant offer expirings for expirings unless we give good pieces and picks.

What I think we should focus on are teams at their weakest. High payroll/ some sort of salary issues/not making the playoffs/ready to start over:

Denver/ Salary cap issues for the next couple years AI/Nene/Melo/Kenyon/Camby resign Kleiza
Golden State/ Resign Biedrins + Monta while Baron(20mil) +Harrington+SJax
Utah/ Next year Deron's last year + Boozer option w/AK(14mil)+Okur+Korver+Harpring
Dallas/JKidd(20mil)+Nowitski+Terry+Dampier+Howard,Dont make the playoffs?
Portland/4 picks+team is young(2 open spots)+Darius Miles 2 yrs left
Phoenix/Kerr besides the Big Cactus he seems to just be cutting cap
Seattle/Have you seen how many number 1 picks they have in the next 3 drafts
Memphis/Holding on to Mike Miller isnt going to help and I dont know about Brian Cardinal
Houston/Another 1st rd exit and Tmac's value may be like Vince's last year
New York/I dont even want anyone off their lineup but they need relief bad
Mil/Chi/Ind/All tough because they are in our division,who really wants to help Lebron
Orlando/No way they are helping a team so close in the seeding

Cevap · Post #15 » by **Cevap** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:07 am

Baron is a FA this summer, if we could somehow swing a trade for him that'll be great. I'd also like to see Marion here, he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective but i wonder what Heat would want from us in order to pull of the trade...

Benedict_Boozer · Post #16 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:23 am

Cevap wrote:Baron is a FA this summer, if we could somehow swing a trade for him that'll be great. I'd also like to see Marion here, he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective but i wonder what Heat would want from us in order to pull of the trade...

I like Baron but he is injury prone (historically) and also ball dominant.

While he can spot shoot, I'd be concerned about how he would mesh with LBJ. Especially if we keep running our current (Please Use More Appropriate Word) offensive sets.

Hydroponic3385 · Post #17 » by **Hydroponic3385** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:46 pm

What would you guys PREDICT our offseason moves will be? What do you think is most likely?

Redd? Mike Miller? RJ or VC? JO? Move up in the draft? Use our '08 draft pick in a trade? No significant moves at all (besides some resigning and our pick)?

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #18 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:47 pm

Hydroponic3385 wrote:No significant moves at all (besides some resigning and our pick)?

I have no idea who we'll get, but if we don't make any moves, it better be because we won the championship this year.

eyejayem · Post #19 » by **eyejayem** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:36 am

Do you think we can pull off a

Wally/Chi 2nd rder '09/ cash

for

Charlie Villanueva/Bobby Simmons

Looking at Charlie Villanueva since he has been starting he is the type of PF we want next to Lebron. 6'11" ,long wingspan, smart baller,range to the 3, decent post,drive w/either hand and when given 30+min can grab 8+ rebounds and block some shots. I think that he will be a steal to anyone who gets him next year. Mill is commited to Yi and Bogut and no one will take Simmons but he can produce and only has 1 yr after Wally. Plus both guys play multiple positions and good D. And we do it without giving up a 1st rder which we can use or package later.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #20 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:06 am

eyejayem wrote:Do you think we can pull off a

Wally/Chi 2nd rder '09/ cash

for

Charlie Villanueva/Bobby Simmons

Looking at Charlie Villanueva since he has been starting he is the type of PF we want next to Lebron. 6'11" ,long wingspan, smart baller,range to the 3, decent post,drive w/either hand and when given 30+min can grab 8+ rebounds and block some shots. I think that he will be a steal to anyone who gets him next year. Mill is commited to Yi and Bogut and no one will take Simmons but he can produce and only has 1 yr after Wally. Plus both guys play multiple positions and good D. And we do it without giving up a 1st rder which we can use or package later.

We could easily pull that off, but we can get better for Wally's expiring contract IMO.