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I saw the game on replay, and that was definitely a travel on Caron. No doubt about it. And that last shot by Letravel was a blocking foul for sure. The Cavs got screwed by the refs on that exchange.

Reprieve from 2 seasons ago.

yungal07 wrote:I saw the game on replay, and that was definitely a travel on Caron. No doubt about it. And that last shot by Letravel was a blocking foul for sure. The Cavs got screwed by the refs on that exchange.

Reprieve from 2 seasons ago.

Agree with the travel, but that's a tough call to make.


As for the last shot by Lebron, you can see Z pushed Darius in the back. Yes there was some contact and 9/10 Lebron would get that call. Either way, i think the refs did a good job of not letting the game go to the line. You drive and throw something up and they drive and throw something.

See how it plays out.

Notice how Cavs fans handle this differently than the typical Wiz fan? I agree with the no calls, have no prob whatsoever. Wiz just outplayed the Cavs and deserved the game. No excuses no whining, just on to game 6.

Who cares, LeBron lost us that game down the stretch with his decision making..

Wiz fans and Cavs fans for the most part view things very differently in our approaches.. Wizard fans blame the refs, conspiracy theories in regards to Stern, and their coach for everything...

And even though most of us can't stand our coach either, we pretty much have enough common sense to realize that when it comes down to it, the players dictate who wins the game...

In this case, LeBron James didn't execute... Was he fouled ?? I don't care in this situation, he should have made that shot... He shouldn't have shot that 3 earlier either...

Did Butler travel ?? Again, I don't care... He shouldn't have been put in a position to win the game in the first place..

We don't whine about those things....

It really doesn't matter. The Cavs didn't play well enough to win. I wish they had. But that game should not have even come down to the last shots. We lost because we didn't play well enough to win.

L&H_05 wrote:Who cares, LeBron lost us that game down the stretch with his decision making..

Wiz fans and Cavs fans for the most part view things very differently in our approaches.. Wizard fans blame the refs, conspiracy theories in regards to Stern, and their coach for everything...

And even though most of us can't stand our coach either, we pretty much have enough common sense to realize that when it comes down to it, the players dictate who wins the game...

In this case, LeBron James didn't execute... Was he fouled ?? I don't care in this situation, he should have made that shot... He shouldn't have shot that 3 earlier either...

Did Butler travel ?? Again, I don't care... He shouldn't have been put in a position to win the game in the first place..

We don't whine about those things....

Well you guys were whining, but that's beside the point....in case you didn't notice that was a freakin' tough shot taken by Lebron? A running one hander with a guy draped on one side and another guy coming underneath is a tough shot for any player. And he was fouled on the play.

LeBron is a great player, but he isn't MJ just yet. He can make the shot. Doesn't mean he should have made it.

Agree with you on that 3 btw.

That's not allowed here

I haven't seen any Cavs fans whining about the refs costing the game on this board. That's a Wiz fan thing. The Cavs played like crap, and they still should have won had they just been a little bit smarter. It seems that Wiz fans can't even be happy that they won, they have to try to make us blame the refs for it.

TheOUTLAW wrote:I haven't seen any Cavs fans whining about the refs costing the game on this board. That's a Wiz fan thing. The Cavs played like crap, and they still should have won had they just been a little bit smarter. It seems that Wiz fans can't even be happy that they won, they have to try to make us blame the refs for it.

that's true for some fans Some dont even want to win anymore if it means EJ will get fired.

Also, both teams played like Crap for long stretches. It seemed like both teams were trying to give the game away, but nobody wanted it.

Lebron probably converts on that shot over Songaila about 8/10 times regardless of the foul.

His decision making was horrid late in the game also but Mike Brown screwed him by running iso's at halfcourt for the last 2 mins of the game.

Cavs deserved to lose.

And yes Lebron is to blame because we expect him to make up for the rest of our guys missing layups/wide open shots, and Mike Brown making the worst offensive decisions possible. He certainly did it last year

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Well you guys were whining, but that's beside the point....in case you didn't notice that was a freakin' tough shot taken by Lebron? A running one hander with a guy draped on one side and another guy coming underneath is a tough shot for any player. And he was fouled on the play.

LeBron is a great player, but he isn't MJ just yet. He can make the shot. Doesn't mean he should have made it.

Agree with you on that 3 btw.

That's not allowed here

I understand that, but he's LeBron James...

He's not Caron Butler, Richard Jefferson, Michael Redd etc... He's one of the elite of the elite...He's not just an all star, he's a superstar... Is it fair to have those expectations of him ?? Probably not.. But it comes with the territory..

I've come to expect that when the game is on the line, or close within the remaining couple of minutes, LeBron is going to do everything in his power to make the right decision down the stretch, and win us the game...Every Cavs fan knows what I mean when I say I wouldn't want the ball in anyone else's hands...I feel very comfortable when LBJ has the ball in his hands...

I can live with the loss, in fact, I could live with losing this series... But, not at the expense of smart play... It's one thing to lose... But to lose playing stupid is a different story...

a game winning lay up is actually a travel?

i guess Karma is a b***h.

TheOUTLAW wrote:I haven't seen any Cavs fans whining about the refs costing the game on this board. That's a Wiz fan thing. The Cavs played like crap, and they still should have won had they just been a little bit smarter. It seems that Wiz fans can't even be happy that they won, they have to try to make us blame the refs for it.

"Cavs gave it away, I'm not blaming the ref eventhough they did help the Wiz a ton."

LOL did you not say this?

Sure I said that. And I do think that the Cavs gave the game away. It's not the refs fault, the Cavs gave the game away. What is your point. You say I am blaming the refs when right there I say that I'm not blaming the refs.

So I guess in your view, saying that the loss wasn't because of the refs is whining about the refs?

cavs should have never let it get to that point. they figured a 5 point lead was good enough and just started to play like idiots for the final two minutes of the game. the refs had no bearing on this game...cavs shot themselves in the foot and ended up blowing a very winnable game

TheOUTLAW wrote:Sure I said that. And I do think that the Cavs gave the game away. It's not the refs fault, the Cavs gave the game away. What is your point. You say I am blaming the refs when right there I say that I'm not blaming the refs.

So I guess in your view, saying that the loss wasn't because of the refs is whining about the refs?

So, I guess you are saying that we can whine about the refs all we want as long as we put the caveat in there that "the refs didn't cost us the game." Ok, we can do that. That is easy. But, I guess my question is: why even mention the refs you don't feel like they had any affect on the outcome of the game? I mean, what's the point?

I'm sorry, I still think it is laughable that you somehow think the Wiz fans are any different than the Cavs fans.

Look, Outty is not really the one to refer to here... I'm not gonna lie, he gets pissed off at the refs in virtually every game...The game threads throughout the year can confirm this..

The difference here though is that you wont see Ref threads, or going into a game suggesting there's a bias towards the Wizards..

I'm sorry, but the Wizard fans whine and are more hateful than most...

With the exception of a few, they're pretty much the most classless fans on this site..

Example.

greendale wrote:I don't hate the Cavaliers -- I don't even dislike them. And I certainly don't hate or dislike James.

It's the city of Cleveland that I hate. What a hell hole. A slimy, septic waste pit whose river was set on fire and then burned for years.

But even worse than the city are the Cavalier fans. What absolute buffoons. You guys better hope the Knicks franchise never folds because if they do you become the biggest morons in the NBA.

And furthermore, it's a reflection on the mods over there to let stuff like this be shown... Gordon the other night said some emotional things and it was quickly edited out by Outty, and Gordon apologized for it..

Yet this stuff sticks on the Wizards board...

Poor taste.. And example of a Wizard fan..Reflects upon the whole community.

yungal- I wont lie Ive been hard on you for years now ever since your claim that you wouldnt trade Haywood for Varejao and Gibson straight up... I've been consistantly calling you out ever since then for things I thought were wrong. However, I'll appluad you for starting a thread here admitting the travel and the foul. That was classy.

I do think however, that you figured your admittance would be a bigger deal to us... the fact is, as most people have pointed out, we dont go into complete blame the refs mode when things look unfair. So to us the admittance doesnt do a lot for us, since we werent really blaming the refs anyway. Sure we gripe about the officiating from time to time, but its not an every game thing like it has appeared to be for 3 years now from some Wizard fans.

Most of us here look to blame our team first and foremost for not executing, which again most of us did last night. It just appears to be a different story in Wizland for many posters. Maybe its because we have a relatively small group of posters on our board, but for whatever reason we dont fall into many of the traps that other boards do. I honestly do find myself proud for the way we act on here. (BTW I know its weird to be proud of strangers)

so lebron plays 44 minutes and doesn't get called for a single foul, yet shoots 18 free throws and somehow the refs are helping the wizards out? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha give me a break.

what about game 4 when lebron should have been fouled out, yet the refs at the last minute gave the foul to another cavs player who didnt make any contact?

You do realize that the number of free throw LeBron shot has nothing to do with the number of fouls he received right? To equate them is to exactly how silly you guys have gotten about this. Nor does referencing a previou game show how the refs may have helped in the last game.

The simple fact that you guys can't tell the difference between making a comment on the refs (which by the way was actually referencing a comment made by someone else) and blaming the refs says something. You guys have had entire threads blaming the refs about losses and somehow you equate this to me saying that they helped? How ridiculus is that?

If the Wiz win tonight the refs had a good game!!!










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