Lebron can do no right

[Shabetta]

Allright so i am a Huge Lebron fan, i usually dont post here much but i do read the forum everyday..........I am so sick of the abuse that Lebron gets from fans and the media..........Yes he has things he needs to work on, most 23 year olds do.........but the things i have been hearing lately are ridiculous, now hes a flopper??? All he can do is drive and knock people over??? The thing with his mom was him being his typical unclassy self??? These are all things that these douche bags over on one of the 9er forums are saying............Driving me **** nuts and i am the only one defending him over there...........I think we are agree that he isnt Jordan, but i can honestly say that wow he has caught up to Kobe awful fast.........give me some support guys.

[calibanPK]

One word:

Jealousy.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Come with the territory. When you are good, as in one of if not the best player in the NBA, you are gonna attract criticism and hate.

[RickyDizzle]

Come with the territory. When you are good, as in one of if not the best player in the NBA, you are gonna attract criticism and hate.

Thats definitely true, but his lack of poise on the court is what turns a lot of people off to him.

I'm not trying to troll or talk trash, but way before our teams were playing each other in the playoffs Lebron's flopping and the faces he makes everytime he gets fouled were two of my biggest pet peeves in all of the NBA.

Everyone is the victim of some bad calls, but even when he commits a smart foul like grabbing someone to prevent an easy two, when the whistle blows he still looks like "who me?!?" and then he does that thing where he turns around and takes a couple steps with the ball before he drops it behind him for the ref or whoever to grab (when he has the ball in his hands that is).

It might be just because he is used to getting most calls, but its still obnoxious.

Jordan got tons of calls to, but he would still put his hand up sometimes to keep the refs on his side if he knew he committed the foul. It'd be smart for Lebron to admit guilt sometimes so when he does complain the refs might take him seriously.

When he grabs his face after there is clearly no contact and ish like that (like last night) that's why he has earned the reputation as a flopper. HOWEVER, if I were him, I would absolutely do it too.

The rules dont discourage flopping, so until they do, its just smart to do everything you can to try to trick the refs into calling a foul.

Lebron is a smart player, the league's best overall player IMO, but he just has to accept calls against him more graciously. The flopping reputation is warranted, but like I said, who can blame him? He's a competitor, guys like Giniboli and Lebron create great momentum swings when the other team has the ball about to score, then they flop, get the call, and instead of 2 pts for the competition it results in a possession for their own team.

There is no incentive not to flop.

-Dizzy


P.S. I have no problem with Lebron telling his mom to sit down when she is up out of her seat and I dont think it reflects poorly on his character.

[Shabetta]

[quote="RickyDizzle"][/quote]
Allright well you at least give him the credit he deserves........every player is gonna have their faults, but that doesnt erase the good.........there are much bigger floppers and babies out there than him, one is on the Celts(Sam I am).........good post though overall.

[Benedict_Boozer]

It's interesting that people are saying Lebron flops. He gets hit pretty much on every drive, he also gets handchecked alot which is supposed to be illegal. You can't stop him on the dribble otherwise.

I can name a couple plays such as that one where he finished over KG where nothing is called when he converts the shot. Look at the dunk in game 4, KG had two arms in his chest and he still made the shot.

Game 5 he drove and finished a 2 hand drive where KG mauled him again. I could go on and on.

Ask any Cavs fan here and they will agree that Lebron if anything is fouled MORE than gets called out there. But similar to Shaq, you can't call fouls every play.

[RickyDizzle]

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Allright well you at least give him the credit he deserves........every player is gonna have their faults, but that doesnt erase the good.........there are much bigger floppers and babies out there than him, one is on the Celts(Sam I am).........good post though overall.

Exactly, with Lebron the good outweighs the bad by 100x.

I am just pointing out that some of the 'hate' he recieves is because he does have some annoying on court behaviors (especially if you are not a Cavs fan).


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^ To the guy directly above me, you are right that he gets screwed out of some and1's from time to time. I think its just a result of the fact that his strength, elevation, and ability to finish are unparrelled..its sort of like the refs are saying "he made that shot?!? then there's no way he could've gotten hit that hard." When really sometimes he is just being a straight beast.

You cant call fouls every play is a good point too, but of course if I ask any Cavs fan they'll tell me he gets fouled more then gets called. If you ask any Celtics fan, they'll probably tell you Pierce gets fouled more than its called or the same for any team and their protected star.

The hand check thing though? Come on, yeah its supposed to be illegal, but it would be virtually impossible to guard half the guys in the NBA if you couldnt put your hand on them to keep track of where their body is headed.


-Dizzy

[Celts17Pride]

LeBron is one of the only players in the NBA that scares me. The other players would be Chris Paul & Kobe but they are a distant 2nd to LeBron.

LeBron has an unique combination of talent, strength and knowledge and he is only 23 years old. Very scary.

This coming from a Celtics fan.

[The Penguin]

I think we are agree that he isnt Jordan, but i can honestly say that wow he has caught up to Kobe awful fast

He has to get a nice big rock on his finger before he has caught Kobe.

[TheOUTLAW]

Kobe rode Shaq to a rock. He might get one this year but that'll be his first as the premier player. That argument is like saying that Horry is better than Duncan because he has more rings. It has no legitimacy. Or like arguing that anyone on the Pistons is better just because they won a ring.

[scumbag86]

I don't understand how u can say anything bad about Lebron.

He is by far the best player in the league. Look what he does with the stiffs on his team. He makes stiffs look like they deserve to play in the nba.

[gflem]

Take a look back at the pistons bad boy teams. they usually mugged the other team for 48 mins a night, but whenever a foul was called on the biggest cheap shot artists of their time in the nba, the look on their faces was of absolute disbelief.

Isiah would give that prissy choirboy look and Laimbeer wouild contort his face as if someone was pulling his fingernail off. I think most of the time its not that Lebron doesnt think he fouled someone, but more that he cant believe when he gets whacked harder than what he delivers he gets called and often times the other team doesnt.

Thats not to say he doesnt get to the line, but that it is near impossible to stop him without hitting him somewhere when he goes strong to the hole. Much like you cant really guard AI without a handcheck or two, or stop Shaq in his prime.

There is much historical precedence for the faces and looks of disbelief, so for all the crying about how Lebron acts I believe like Outlaw said its mostly jealousy.

[The Penguin]

Kobe rode Shaq to a rock. He might get one this year but that'll be his first as the premier player. That argument is like saying that Horry is better than Duncan because he has more rings. It has no legitimacy. Or like arguing that anyone on the Pistons is better just because they won a ring.

Well, Kobe also has a MVP, so I guess I could have gone there as well, but I assume you probably would have said that was just a lifetime achievement award.

Two years ago he lead a supporting cast that is on par with Lebron's into roughly the same position in the regular season in a much tougher conference. Granted he hasn't shared the same post season success the last couple of years, but playing the seven seconds or less Suns with no help is a lot different than beating the Wizards and playing close series with Detroit.

[TheOUTLAW]

Kobe and his team hasn't even been able to defeat the Cavs. But at this point you are just trolling. Begone with you until you have something constructive to say.

[The Penguin]

I'm not meaning to troll. No disrespect to Lebron, he has proven to be easly a top 5 player. He does have too many holes in his game (FT shooting, outside shooting) to be the best player in the league. You're right, when Lebron is going to the basket he ranks along with Iverson's crossover or young Shaq getting the ball deep. I've heard he is going to work on his free throws in the offseason, if he becomes an .80%+ shooter and gets his 3% into the high 30s-low 40s then he will be an unstoppable force. But right now teams can sag off on him too much and commit hard fouls when he drives and he won't make them pay too bad from the line.

I do not think that he is better than Kobe, that is my opinion and there is no real way to prove one way or the other, if having an opinion that is different than the board consensus is considered trolling then I guess I should stop wasting my time. I also think that Howard and Paul made huge strides on closing the gap on Lebron this year and either of them could end up better than him. That's probably trolling also.

[TheOUTLAW]

Paul and Howard made huge strides on closing the gap on everybody at the top. Why you focus on LeBron is why I call you a troll. And frankly it's why you are a troll.

[The Penguin]

Dude, it's a thread about Lebron, of course I'm going to talk about him.

I think Lebron has a chance to go down as the best player ever, but he definately has some room to grow. I think that he will average a triple double for a season simply because he will decide that's what he wants.

As for the criticism of Lebron, the thing that I see about the Cavs is you never really know who will step up. Because of that, everyone always counts on Lebron to be there (and he usually is). If something goes wrong, no one really knows who to blame which causes the blame to go to Lebron. The national media is too afraid to call out coaches or role players, and when the casual fan checks and sees that Lebron didn't have 35 points and the Cavs lost, it's easy for the national media guys to say that it was Lebron's fault. Keep in mind the E in ESPN stands for Entertainment and it comes first, Lebron is the supernova of the Cavs' universe.

[Joe Kleazy]

Kobe rode Shaq to a rock. He might get one this year but that'll be his first as the premier player. That argument is like saying that Horry is better than Duncan because he has more rings. It has no legitimacy. Or like arguing that anyone on the Pistons is better just because they won a ring.

First kobe had just as much to do with the rings as shaq seeing as though during the 3-peat they averaged out at:

Shaq---29.8pts 14.4 rbs 2.4 blks


Kobe---25.7pts 5.8 rbs 5.0 ast 1.4stl



So looking at this the duo rode each other to 3 rings. Shaq being a extremely large man attributes to his dominant rebounding while kobe distributed the ball and played massive defense, this without mentioning kobe's clutch play when shaq either was in foul trouble or the hack a shaq was in play.



NOW that this is cleared up I do agree with you that people shouldnt be quick to throw rings into the discussion for players like your example Horry having rings compared to a lebron.

The comparisons between kobe and lebron can be used regarless of whether shaq was on the team or not. If this is used as a crutch it can also be said that lebron's stats cant be compared to kobe because lebron is forced to play stat filler and IF kobe was in the same scenerio obviously his numbers would be better than they were back then.

Kobe would have been in the east and would have had a team built around him from the jump, which becomes debateable whether or not he would have won a ring. Now without them playing on the same time scale ala wade or Melo there is really no true way to compare kobe/lebron other than personal preference even before you realize they have two different style of games. Even when they fininsh their careers it will be risky since one played with a skewed level of stats starting out on a good team playing from the bench early, while the other was given the key and had the ball in his hands for mostly all of his career.

Understanding this still shows that in the end unless lebron wins a ring or rings THAT will become the deciding factor because if he dosent while still having great numbers it wont really matter when comparing to kobe. ALso kobe will win at least one or two more before he is done.

[Joe Kleazy]

Paul and Howard made huge strides on closing the gap on everybody at the top. Why you focus on LeBron is why I call you a troll. And frankly it's why you are a troll.

The same can be said for the thread starter who started off praising lebron only to feel the need to use kobe as a step ladder to justify his claims. Its not trolling on his own board but you get what Im saying right?

[Benedict_Boozer]

It seems that whenever Lebron's name is brought up, in any thread, or any topic, someone throws in Kobe's name and the Kobe fanboys immediately come running. Sad.