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I wish we'd have the assets to move up and get Portland's 13th pick. It sounds like they're definitely looking to trade it. I'm assuming there's nothing that'd interest them that much from the Cavs though?

Would Andy + 19th for a contract they don't want + 13th have a chance? Or is it dumb to assume they'd want the 19th since it sounds like they're not even sure if they want any 1st at all, unless it's a player they really, really want.

May be easier than you think, they have everything except an energy big,

and Pritchard and Ferry are good friends from the Spurs days.

do u think we could get that pick without giving up our 19th that would be great if we could trade them andy for someone they don't want and the pick and wind up with 2 first rounders, since reading the wiretap article it sounds like pritchard doesn't want that pick, unless he can get someone really good like roy

Who would Portland swap for Andy?

Varejao
'10 1st

for

Pryzbilla
#13

Something like that? If it's not Pryzbilla, it either has to be Miles (which would end up having to be a larger trade - Miles' contract is 9 million), or a combination of Blazers such as Jack + James Jones (which I can't really see Portland doing).

If a deal worked out based around Varejao for #13 (without the Cavs giving up their pick), the Cavs could either

1) Draft some combo of SG/SF (Westbrook, CDR, Rush, Batum) and PF/C (Lopez, Arthur, Speights)
2) Or use both #13 and #19 to move even further up in the draft (perhaps somewhere between 8 and 10?)

But again, no idea if the Blazers would like this.

I would like the idea of keeping our first this year and giving them one in 2010 or later. this gives their young guys time to mature and would net us some young legs.

Possibly pryz or maybe frye for andy and exchange firsts if that works. idk if they just want to give away a first, maybe the future first and andy would work.

Rather give Andy, Pavs and 2010 1st
for
Outlaw and 13th

gflem wrote:I would like the idea of keeping our first this year and giving them one in 2010 or later. this gives their young guys time to mature and would net us some young legs.

Possibly pryz or maybe frye for andy and exchange firsts if that works. idk if they just want to give away a first, maybe the future first and andy would work.

Portland isn't looking for a draft pick 5 years from now. They have Roy, Oden, and LMA now. Time to start winning.

Andy + 19 for Pryz + 13 looks like a pretty fair deal. Portland cuts a year off Pryz's contract, and gets a more versatile big. I don't think Joel will see the floor much with Oden and Frye taking up all the time. And if Andy opts out, or gets traded again, Portland has more cap room in 2009.

SportsBoy wrote:Rather give Andy, Pavs and 2010 1st
for
Outlaw and 13th

Outlaw is more valuable than Pav, and Andy + 2010 1st isn't worth #13, especially considering Portland would have Frye + LMA + Oden + Pryz + Andy. In a year or two, LMA and Oden will be getting 35 mpg, leaving 26 minutes for 3 high paid backup bigs? Doesn't make sense.

I agree with Buckeye. None of these trades make sense for Portland. If Portland really needed another Center, they could use #13 to draft Mcgee who has infinitely more potential than Varejao, and with in a team option in his rookie contract, would make him little to no liability on the payroll.

chrice wrote:I agree with Buckeye. None of these trades make sense for Portland. If Portland really needed another Center, they could use #13 to draft Mcgee who has infinitely more potential than Varejao, and with in a team option in his rookie contract, would make him little to no liability on the payroll.

Im as upset about Andy's season as anyone, but come on... 9 gms out of 10 take Anderson over McGee. AV has proven to have game changing stuff, McGee has proven NOTHING. Some people get waaay too caught up in rookies. Yes some of them have the potential to be good, but in all actuality the amount that arent good far far far outweigh the ones that are good. If you're Portland you take the sure thing, not a guy that may or may not be able to translate his game to the NBA in 3 years.

Actually.... Portland's #13 pick isn't that valuable to them right now. The reason it isn't that valuable is because they pretty-much have the team they want, and a 1st rounder this year just confuses things for the young guys they already have...and want.

A future 1st rounder (2010 or 2011) is more valuable because by that time they will know what else is needed to get them over the top. They will have an established team that just needs pieces to contend.

The idea of taking Varejao is interesting to them...but taking a lower pick THIS year is not even slightly interesting.

I see a couple scenarios that could possibly come to fruition:

#1 Anderson Varejao + 2010( or 2011) 1st. + 20092nd + cash for Joel Przybilla + #13.

#2 Joe Smith + 2010 (or 2011) first-rounder + 2009 second rounder + cash for Joel Przybilla + #13.

(The second one actually makes more sense for Portland... although the Cavs may not be willing to do this trade)

#3 Cavs Trade 2010 (or 2011) #1 pick (unprotected for 2010, top-5 protected for 2011) + 2009 2nd round pick + 3million cash for #13

heathmalc wrote:A future 1st rounder (2010 or 2011) is more valuable because by that time they will know what else is needed to get them over the top. They will have an established team that just needs pieces to contend.

The only person who thinks a mid 20s 1st round pick three years from now is worth more than a lotto pick this year is the person receiving the lotto pick.

Portland will trade the pick to help themselves now, not to get a future 1st rounder.

Paul Allen has bought a 1st round pick on 5 different occassions in the last 4 years. What do you think the odds of him selling a pick are? More or less likely than the Cavs moving to Barrow, Alaska and becoming the Barrow Cavaliers within the next 5 years?

B Mac wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Im as upset about Andy's season as anyone, but come on... 9 gms out of 10 take Anderson over McGee. AV has proven to have game changing stuff, McGee has proven NOTHING.

Andy is a good energy player, but he's not starter calibur. I seriously doubt that 9 out of 10 gms would keep him if they had the opportunity to unload his contract and grab a rookie with that much potential. As a GM, put yourself in Portland's situation. They already have 3 players that can play Center, there's no need to tie up their payroll for a guy who has that contract and has almost hit his ceiling. If we use that logic, Chicago should trade their #1 pick for Andre miller because he's the sure thing, or Miami should trade the #2 pick for Ray Allen, because he's the sure thing. It doesn't even have to be Mcgee they draft, in fact, they probably won't grab another Center. I just used that to illustrate that they have a lot more options with that pick than just trading it for Varejao.

Honestly Portland is set in the frontcourt with Oden, Alderidge, and Prz. They also have Frye.

They are set at SF with Webster and Outlaw.

At SG they have Roy.

I think if they move the pick, I'm 99% sure it will be to upgrade at PG.

The only other real option it to get a great big man to Pair with Oden and Alderidge for a great 3 man trio.... or to trade one of their SF's and the pick for a borderline AS SF.

No need for an "energy big" off the bench.

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Portland isn't looking for a draft pick 5 years from now. They have Roy, Oden, and LMA now. Time to start winning.

Andy + 19 for Pryz + 13 looks like a pretty fair deal. Portland cuts a year off Pryz's contract, and gets a more versatile big. I don't think Joel will see the floor much with Oden and Frye taking up all the time. And if Andy opts out, or gets traded again, Portland has more cap room in 2009.

I think heath said it better than I did. and while I guess we just disagree on this, they need some veteran help more than they need another rookie. whether it is 13, 19, or whatever 2nd rounder they have, a rookie isnt going to start or even contribute significantly this year.

What a draft pick gives them in a couple years is the ability to fill a need or to put a young guy behind an established player to learn. We wouldnt even have this thread if portland's gm hadnt said he was looking for some vet help. His buying 1st rounders has paid dividends, and now he is looking for a player with some playoff experience.

gflem wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I think heath said it better than I did. and while I guess we just disagree on this, they need some veteran help more than they need another rookie. whether it is 13, 19, or whatever 2nd rounder they have, a rookie isnt going to start or even contribute significantly this year.

I guess I don't understand how you relate giving them a future 1st rounder with them wanting an impact player now. They don't have to trade for a future first. They can package the #13 for a player now.

Forget the future 1st. A mid 20s 1st in 3 years isn't valuable to Portland. They don't need one. They can get role players using the MLE.

chrice wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Andy is a good energy player, but he's not starter calibur. I seriously doubt that 9 out of 10 gms would keep him if they had the opportunity to unload his contract and grab a rookie with that much potential. As a GM, put yourself in Portland's situation. They already have 3 players that can play Center, there's no need to tie up their payroll for a guy who has that contract and has almost hit his ceiling. If we use that logic, Chicago should trade their #1 pick for Andre miller because he's the sure thing, or Miami should trade the #2 pick for Ray Allen, because he's the sure thing. It doesn't even have to be Mcgee they draft, in fact, they probably won't grab another Center. I just used that to illustrate that they have a lot more options with that pick than just trading it for Varejao.

First of all, Anderson is only set to make 5.7 million next season so its hardly like he has a huge contract. But yes I do agree that them having their PF/C position pretty much locked up makes them trading for AV less likely, but I wasnt really disputing the trade, I was disputing you saying the Blazers would rather have McGee than Varejao. Which again I think is wrong. With Varejao he is still young and you know what you are going to get with him. With McGee he has the potential to be decent or a big flop. You bringing up the 1st and 2nd picks in the draft has no bearing on this argument, and you know it. Of course teams wouldnt trade the 1st pick in the draft for over the hill guys. However, the difference between the 1st pick and the 13th pick is A LOT, and the age difference between Ray Allen and Anderson Varejao is a lot, and the salary difference between Ray Allen and Anderson Varejao is a lot.

People seriously need to stop getting so excited over draft picks. I will never understand why people would rather have unproven young gambles over proven talent.

As a Blazers fan, I'd love to swap 13 and 36 for 19 and Varejao. If salaries need to be matched, James Jones and Channing Frye both fit. Also, Steve Blake is within the Cavs' price range and would be a decent contributor.

He didn't "buy" 4 picks.... those picks were part of trades, with one exception... and even that one had more to do with the exception that Portland traded than the 3 million dollars they gave-up.

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I guess I don't understand how you relate giving them a future 1st rounder with them wanting an impact player now. They don't have to trade for a future first. They can package the #13 for a player now.

Forget the future 1st. A mid 20s 1st in 3 years isn't valuable to Portland. They don't need one. They can get role players using the MLE.

In addition to Andy or Joe Smith, or West or Wally. none of those guys is worth a mid first, so in addidtion to a player, a future first is to sweeten the pot.