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Baron Davis
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:03 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
"Davis has an opt out clause in his contract, but he isn't expected to exercise it. That would leave a sign-and-trade as the lone option for New York should they pursue acquiring him. Also per Golden State Executives"
"There are rumblings in Southern California that the Warriors might be secretly hoping that point guard Baron Davis decides to opt out of his contract this summer, according to Peter Vecsey of the New York Post."
If the Knicks are vying to get this done why in the h*ll aren't we pursuing the same option. We have a ton of expiring contracts to get this done & if you go on GS board the consensus seems to point that they would rather have Baron leave. Which would allow them to keep their younger parts like Barns, Harrington and others. If this is a option and we allow the Knicks to acquire him with all of their undesirables, this would undoubtedly send a message to Lebron that Ferry may not be capable of obtaining his Robin. However I think he is
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:15 pm
by Hydroponic3385
Well does Golden State just want expirings? Besides Andy, we have little else they'd want, and that's still not much.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:56 pm
by B Mac
Bad fit. Possibly a worse fit than Leisure Suit.
Baron Davis
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:29 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
The article stated that BDs agent has not only expressed to Davis that he needed to way his options. He's also been taking in inquiries about his clients availability from several teams. Now if he opts out he can go to the highest bidder, or hopefully to the team that he deems has the best chance of being successful{unlike aka Mr..Larry GLASS Hughes}
Option #1
If he does subscribe to going for his best chance to win I think we can make a strong run at him. By back loading maybe a 4yr contract & maybe give him 8-9 mill this year and increase his base the following 3yrs. {Don't forget that he is coming off of a Max contract so money shouldn't be his main objective}.
Option #2
If he doesn't opt out G.S. would entertain a trade per the New York Post that's where we have to get creative Maybe Wally, D. West and E snow and then they would probably buy the contract out. It seems like they just want to get rid of BD 17 mill plus contract. Per the New York Post
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:37 pm
by eyejayem
He can play his contract out but likely be traded by the trade deadline. Or he can opt out, sign a 1 year deal and play for the contender of his choice and if sucessful be rewarded with a big deal afterwards when resigned. Or force a trade and if they are professional to the team of his choice.
Re: Baron Davis
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:30 am
by B Mac
1bhcavsfan wrote: Option #1
If he does subscribe to going for his best chance to win I think we can make a strong run at him. By back loading maybe a 4yr contract & maybe give him 8-9 mill this year and increase his base the following 3yrs. {Don't forget that he is coming off of a Max contract so money shouldn't be his main objective}.
We dont have 8 or 9 million to offer him this year though unless we drop a TON of salary, which we cant do. The most we can offer to him is the MLE unless he is signed and traded which he cant be.
Re: Baron Davis
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:20 pm
by heathmalc
B Mac wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
We dont have 8 or 9 million to offer him this year though unless we drop a TON of salary, which we cant do. The most we can offer to him is the MLE unless he is signed and traded which he cant be.
That isn't entirely true.
As things stand right now, it IS true, however....
It is being assumed that he will, infact, opt-out of his contract.
A possible sign&trade with Cleveland would be:
Baron Davis, Al Harrington, Kosta Perovic for Wally Szczerbiak, Anderson Varejao, Eric Snow, 3million cash (max allowed), 2008 1st round and 2009 2nd round pick.
Cleveland replaces Varejao with Harrington, gets Combo guard to sidekick with LeBron, and a possible heir to Zydrunas in Kosta Perovic (same size as Z). Cavs maintain next year's draft pick, and still has more than enough to make a second trade this year (Damon,Sasha,Gibson?,future picks, Wallace?, Joe Smith?).
Al Harrington under-achieved all year, and is un-happy with the Warriors. He scored only one point more per game than Varejao, and Andy rbounded almost twice as well, in much less time. In-addition, Andy runs better than Harrington, and plays better defense....not to mention he is 6 years younger, and a lot cheaper (Which is a priority for GS). GS Moves Andy into Al's place, and Moves Ellis into Baron's role. Wally becomes the 3-point bench man that they sorely need. Eric Snow will be bought-out, and will be mostly paid for by the money sent by the Cavaliers. The Warriors get younger, save money, maintain an excellent team, and gain a first-rounder this year and a 2nd rounder next season.
The Cavaliers want to win NOW, so they accept the Harrington/Baron deal in hopes that they can kill two birds with one stone, and use the rest of the off-season to acquire a more potent bench.
Re: Baron Davis
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:14 pm
by Hydroponic3385
B Mac wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
We dont have 8 or 9 million to offer him this year though unless we drop a TON of salary, which we cant do. The most we can offer to him is the MLE unless he is signed and traded which he cant be.
I really wouldn't be shocked if Gilbert doesn't give a sh*t about money and takes on luxury tax hell for 2 years. He knows he has to make Lebron happy, and he knows that 2 years of paying a ton of cash is well worth getting multiple titles in the near future. He's even said they're looking at free agents in addition to trades, and honestly I think his and Ferry's goal is to acquire star or near-star players, 1 thru free agency and one thru trade. Whether that happens or not, we'll have to see. But I wouldn't completely discount the idea that he says bring on even more luxury tax, let's get Lebron 1 or 2 legit sidekicks and it's over...Cavs title.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:26 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
That exactly what I'm talking about!! Creativity can do wonders & maybe save Mike Browns job. On second thought naw lets get her done anyway nice job Coach Heathmalc.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:40 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
Exactly! the h*ll with all of this Cap Space talk the man already said that he would surpass it if needed so all we can do is hold him at his word. Excellent observation Hydroponic3385 the man is a businessman & a very successful one at that. Everyone noes {or should no} that you have to spend money to make money. And guess what if LBJ walks their goes any chance of him recouping anything close to a profit on his investment. So like I believe in money breeds money & if he gets the right players in {salary cap hell or not} that will be money well spent if LBJ IS HAPPY
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:12 am
by B Mac
You guys dont get it though. We flat out cannot offer any FA more than the MLE since we are already over the cap. The Collective Bargaining Agreement (basically the salary cap rule book) will not allow us to do anymore than that. That is the highest amount we can offer to anyone straight up.
As I eluded to and heath expanded on, if somehow a sign and trade could be worked out then we can basically sign a guy to more than the MLE, but we will have to give up trade pieces to get it done as well.
Although in the case of Baron heath, Im curious how Golden State could sign and trade him since he is already under contract with them?
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:12 am
by heathmalc
B Mac wrote:
Although in the case of Baron heath, Im curious how Golden State could sign and trade him since he is already under contract with them?
This season is a player option, and he is expected to opt-out. His value is at an all-time high, and there are at-least 3 teams that will pay him max money...including the Cavaliers. (Please note that I know that the Cavs would need to do a S&T, but that is REALLY simple with Wally, and any of a number of combination of expirings/picks)
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:52 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
I would do a Wally & 2010 pick but I want to keep are pick this year we need a Big & this year's draft has a plethora to choose from
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:14 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
I ment 09 not 10
Baron Davis
Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:21 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
I would definitely prefer Baron over any other free agent guard out there hands down
Baron Davis
Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:29 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:33 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
Excuse the typos aka misspelled elementary words
Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:34 pm
by LiquidFire
can you use the edit button instead of posting 5 times in a row
Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:43 pm
by 1bhcavsfan
Not a problem will do next time. Don't forget that I still have milk on my breath I'm new to all of this. However I must admit it looks kind of silly
Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2008 11:48 pm
by TheOUTLAW
Clearly, this is a topic that you hold near and dear to your heart.