Cleveland and Golden State rumor (ESPN)

[DowJones]

It would be Anderson Varejao and the 19th pick to Golden State for Brandan Wright.

What do you guys think? Wright is a very good PF prospect for the future, which is exactly what we want with the 19th pick. Adding Varejao does hurt and I do question how good Wright actually is after his 1st year with the Warriors. I would still pull the trigger on this, especially if it looks like Andy is gone after this year.

[mg]

I don't like this trade at all unless there's ALOT more that we don't know.

The Cavs can find some good prospects at #19 like Ajinca or Koufas or possibly Speights. Brandan Wright seems kind of skinny and could get pushed around. Varejao and the #19 is too much to give up.

[eyejayem]

I think I would but can we get their #49 so we can still have a pick.

Plus do you think we can somehow get SJax for an expiring and cash or next yr's 2nd.(they need to save money w/Baron,Monte,and Biedrins) I think him at the 2 would be a great addition and back in the East would be trouble given his defense and scoring and ball handling and offense creating. But given his age he will only be a stop gap 2 but possible mentor our next SG which would be great.

[B Mac]

As Wine & Gold said on RCF there is much more to this deal than what Ford eluded to in his article.... and the rest of the deal makes more sense for the Cavs.

[GswStorm3]

Warriors aren't trading Wright, especially for a role player like Varejao.

[rjgraca]

^ Don't worry -- Wright is a potential guy who isn't worth Varejao and a pick at this point.

Wright isn't even a role player right now (just a nice potential guy) and his slight build means that he will take some time to develop. The deal wasn't floated from Cleveland and wouldn't happen in this form.

[Cevap]

As Wine & Gold said on RCF there is much more to this deal than what Ford eluded to in his article.... and the rest of the deal makes more sense for the Cavs.

what's RCF?



anyway, i'd do the deal. Varejao is a good hustle guy who had a crappy season and it doesn't look like he'll want to stay here longer then needed. Plus I don't believe Ferry will pick someone good at #19.

[Rise Against]

^^ RCF = A Cavs forum which stands for Real Cavs Fans.

But I don't like this deal.. We have no use for Wright. I prefer to use Varejao for another trade and use the 19th pick for a big man.

[NW]

^ Don't worry -- Wright is a potential guy who isn't worth Varejao and a pick at this point.

Wright isn't even a role player right now (just a nice potential guy) and his slight build means that he will take some time to develop. The deal wasn't floated from Cleveland and wouldn't happen in this form.

Potential pretty much beats what Varajao gives at this point. hustle guys like him are a dime a dozen.

According to Bay Area reports, this is a Dan Fegan rumor (apparently he isn't fond of the Cavs after the Varajao stalemate) and Fegan loves to involve the Warriors when he does float these things. He's the mastermind behind the Yi to Golden State stuff too.

[TheOUTLAW]

I really don't like this deal for Cleveland. The Cavs need big men not stick figures with potential. Who knows how it'd be before Wright was even as good as Varejao is now.

[rjgraca]

^ Don't worry -- Wright is a potential guy who isn't worth Varejao and a pick at this point.

Wright isn't even a role player right now (just a nice potential guy) and his slight build means that he will take some time to develop. The deal wasn't floated from Cleveland and wouldn't happen in this form.

Potential is pretty much all Wright has at this point. hustle guys like him are a dime a dozen.

According to Bay Area reports, this is a Dan Fegan rumor (apparently he isn't fond of the Cavs after the Varajao stalemate) and Fegan loves to involve the Warriors when he does float these things. He's the mastermind behind the Yi to Golden State stuff too.

Fixed ^

For teams in contention -- potential is a dime a dozen and solid role players help you get deep into the playoffs. The CAVs would have to be moving up to the 14th selection for this deal to even have a breath of life. We know all about Fegan here and knew the report was via him to Chad Ford and please spare us the Bay area spin of a potential guy (who is not even a role player yet) being worth Varejao and a pick .

[NW]

^ Don't worry -- Wright is a potential guy who isn't worth Varejao and a pick at this point.

Wright isn't even a role player right now (just a nice potential guy) and his slight build means that he will take some time to develop. The deal wasn't floated from Cleveland and wouldn't happen in this form.

Potential is pretty much all Wright has at this point. hustle guys like him are a dime a dozen.

According to Bay Area reports, this is a Dan Fegan rumor (apparently he isn't fond of the Cavs after the Varajao stalemate) and Fegan loves to involve the Warriors when he does float these things. He's the mastermind behind the Yi to Golden State stuff too.

Fixed ^

For teams in contention -- potential is a dime a dozen and solid role players help you get deep into the playoffs. The CAVs would have to be moving up to the 14th selection for this deal to even have a breath of life. We know all about Fegan here and knew the report was via him to Chad Ford and please spare us the Bay area spin of a potential guy (who is not even a role player yet) being worth Varejao and a pick .

LOL! Tell you what.

Keep your role player that got you "deep into the playoffs" (yeah, he was key )and we'll keep the guy whose floor is Varajao's ceiling.

All that being said, I've no doubt the two teams are talking. Ws have shown interest in Varajao before and the Cavs alledgedly want to leapfrog Phoenix for Brandon Rush.

There's a deal to be made there, but no way in hell Wright's part of it.

[rjgraca]

LOL! Tell you what.

Keep your role player that got you "deep into the playoffs" (yeah, he was key )and we'll keep the guy whose floor is Varajao's ceiling.

All that being said, I've no doubt the two teams are talking. Ws have shown interest in Varajao before and the Cavs alledgedly want to leapfrog Phoenix for Brandon Rush.

There's a deal to be made there, but no way in hell Wright's part of it.

Yes you are right that Wright will be seeing the floor a lot more than Varejao even when he's flopping being the stickman is 6' 9" and 205 lbs - now that is LOL. Sure a deal is possible, but please spare us the hype of a skinny potential guy that isn't even a role player yet who was clearly drafted too high.

[NW]

You'll let me know when you find any team that would trade Wright for Varajao straight up.

Let you in on a little secret, guys that are barely 20 and were the Freshman of the Year in one of the top conferences in college ball tend to beat guys that the best thing you can say about them is "he hustles."

Even if Wright is a bust (unlikely from what he's shown) I don't think anyone will be thinking "Damn, we could have had Anderson Varajao"

Wright can put on weight, and has, Varajao can't put on talent.

Like I said, you won't have to worry about dealing for Wright, but there is a deal to be made minus him if it's true your FO wants Rush.

[TheOUTLAW]

I could understand why someone wouldn't want to trade Wright for Varejao straight up. Potential is undoubtedly worth something. But fact is, Varejao does 10 times more right now than Wright can. You can't even really argue that point. There is a reason that the Warriors have been looking for a real PF to do the dirty work. Calling him a dime a dozen just shows how little you actually know about good role players. Fact is he makes things happen when he's on the floor and they are almost always good (okay, well except late in the playoffs this year). Teams that are trying to win need players that can contribute now, teams that are trying to build satisfy themselves with potential. There really is no way that Varejao and a first makes any sense for the Cavs.

[rjgraca]

You'll let me know when you find any team that would trade Wright for Varajao straight up.

Let you in on a little secret, guys that are barely 20 and were the Freshman of the Year in one of the top conferences in college ball tend to beat guys that the best thing you can say about them is "he hustles."

Even if Wright is a bust (unlikely from what he's shown) I don't think anyone will be thinking "Damn, we could have had Anderson Varajao"

Wright can put on weight, and has, Varajao can't put on talent.

Like I said, you won't have to worry about dealing for Wright, but there is a deal to be made minus him if it's true your FO wants Rush.

You'll have to let me know what contending team would trade for potential for solid role players and draft picks.

Anderson Varejao is at least a solid big role player and Wright isn't one yet and your point is that you hope that Wright can at least develop into a useful role player in about 3 or 4 years .

I am sure Lebron will just sign another contract knowing that that potential guy will be ready in about 3 or 4 years to be a deluxe role player.

Wright can put on weight -- but that doesn't guarentee that he will develop into anything more than a solid role player that Varejao is right now. Wright's defense is non-existant and he can't really play that much on the inside, because someone would break him. I don't care that you are rolled up into the Wright hype, but spare us the spin of just wait until he develops in 3 or 4 years and gains enough weight to stay off the floor. You just don't get it do you that Wright isn't as valuable as you dream at this point and there are other options besides GS that are probably better -- I consider the source of Chad Ford and your spin and just .

[NW]

I could understand why someone wouldn't want to trade Wright for Varejao straight up. Potential is undoubtedly worth something. But fact is, Varejao does 10 times more right now than Wright can. You can't even really argue that point. There is a reason that the Warriors have been looking for a real PF to do the dirty work. Calling him a dime a dozen just shows how little you actually know about good role players. Fact is he makes things happen when he's on the floor and they are almost always good (okay, well except late in the playoffs this year). Teams that are trying to win need players that can contribute now, teams that are trying to build satisfy themselves with potential. There really is no way that Varejao and a first makes any sense for the Cavs.

I see your point and it isn't a good deal for either side as currently laid out for reasons we've both listed.

But I don't think guys like Varajao are uncommon. Hell, the 2nd round has produced similar guys in Millsap, Powe, Landry, etc. in the past couple of years.

I'd rather talk about what deal seems reasonable to both sides that features Varajao and the #14 as a jump off point.

[WarFan]

There really is no way that Varejao and a first makes any sense for the Cavs.

I completely agree with this, and it's one of the main reasons I think this rumor is complete crap. The players that I think Cleveland would be interested in from the Warriors are Davis, Harrington and especially Jackson IMO.

[Smooth32]

The thing is though, this is a part of a bigger plan where after several things are done to the roster, this move starts to make sense, according to W&G.This is "A" to which "B" and "C" come after and make things look a lot better and make a lot more sense. This is the move that leaves you saying, "WTF?!?" but after all the moves, leaves you saying, "Oh, okay. I see what they were trying to do."

[mg]

I believe a simple solution would be for the W's to simply 'sell' their #14 pick to the Cavaliers

That way we can draft Rush ahead of the Suns and still grab a big at #19. Golden State saves $ to resign Biedrins and Ellis. Sounds like a win-win all around. If only it were that easy....