D-West/Udonis Haslem S&T

[1bhcavsfan]

Would you be apposed to a D-West & filler maybe a 2nd rounder next year for Udonis Haslem ?

[Rise Against]

Not really interested in Haslem. I rather just have Varejao and take the chance with Hickson instead of wasting a 2nd round pick.

[mg]

I don't think Haslem is a good fit for the Cavs at this point.

[cavshats]

I dont understand all of this hype on haslem with cavs fans... Why would we want him? yea hes a good rebounder and decent defender, But he's not even a factor as a shotblocker and he cant score I still want to see how big ben does another year in coach browns system plus our defense is going to need a lift if anything becuase of subtracting one of our better defenders in west and replacing him with a subpar defender.

[TheOUTLAW]

I don't get the whole Udonis to Cleveland thing either. Just because Miami wants to move him doesn't mean that we should want him. He is absolutely not the type of PF that we need. At best he's a stopgap. He's not quite as bad on offense as Wallace/Varejao but he doesn't give us any interior presence whatsoever.

[Da_James_Gang]

My thing with haslem is that i think his game is similar to joe smiths, and we are looking for a replacement for joe so i think he would be a good fit. He doesnt have as much range on his jumper as joe but he is good from about 12-15 ft out...

But i'm actually hoping for david lee, if they can give west the mle shouldnt his contract be worth around 3m since it will be byc? A deal that could work if thats the case would be lee/collins for west.....

[Flash4thewin]

David Lee is in line for a huge pay increase and i doubt the knick would trade him for West.

[Bamboozled]

Keep in mind that Haslem would be an adequate replacement for Varejao, who is definitely getting traded before the deadline. He's not as good of a defender of centers, but Big Ben can handle that. Plus there's no way we could trade West for David Lee. Lee is due for a massive payday.

[Hydroponic3385]

Haslem is actually CONSISTENT. You can count on him for 10-13 points and 7-10 rebounds every game. Definitely an adequate replacement (even improvement) over Smith. I would definitely not say he's a "terrible fit for the Cavs", but perhaps you could argue that West is too much to give up. If you argue that though, you never know what happens behind the scenes, maybe at this point the only main option left with West IS a sign and trade. We're not gonna get much more value back for West than a Haslem type player. What are you expecting?

Having said all that, he's definitely not my #1 target. But he's not a bad fit, or a bad player.

[Benedict_Boozer]

I'd rather keep Delonte.

[Hydroponic3385]

I'd rather keep Delonte.

Well that's not really the point. I'd most likely prefer to keep West and have a deeper crop of guards with more flexibility. But the point is if West's agent and Ferry can't agree in negotiations, then it's best to find a team who wants West and has something for us in return.

[1bhcavsfan]

Come on guys lets think outside of the box.

We've just completed a deal that has finally put us in a situation to not just get there but to win when we get there. I no their will be detractors, but lets be honest. We played Boston better than any other team in the play-offs and by all accounts we should have won. If you look at the stats {not taking anything away from what Boston accomplished} We outscored them along with collecting more rebounds through out the series, checked the stats. This was accomplished by a course Lebron being Lebron, however the only consistent score that Lebron had was D-west and we still took them to the wire.

So let me get back to my point in saying we have upgraded immensely at are point guard position, let me count the ways

17.3
6.5 assist
3.5 rebs
1.2 steals

However in doing so we have left a little chink or better yet a little crack in our foundation by giving up Joe Smith. Now I'm not saying Joe was more than average no pun attended, but he was more than serviceable. So if we can get a individual who is a

12pts STATS DON'T LIE
10rebs
why not? Those are better numbers than Mr. Smith and by the way remember their championship series against the Mavs? Haslem was the one who shut down Dirk!! {for the detractors who say he doesn't play any D}.

So, to sum it all up I think this would and should be part of our thought process. NEVER SAY NEVER until you clearly look at the situation at hand & never include your personnel feelings sometimes that cloud up your judgment

[TheOUTLAW]

I've never said he doesn't play any defense, but people always use that series of his defense. My contention is that he isn't a post presence on offense and with his size he'd have problems with centers and any of the bigger PF's. You guys seem to forget that it's actually Varejao that the Cavs use to guard those guys (although Wallace can guard some of them these days).

[wallyboots]

I think that West + 1rouner is too much for Haslem. That being said I think that Haslem would be a good fit in Cleveland. So how about something that does not include West. I have to admit I got this idea from a hh forum.

Congratulations on a successful trade.
Trade ID #4754642

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
No games yet played in 2007/08
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
No games yet played in 2007/08
Outgoing Players
Lance Allred
6-11 C from Weber State
No games yet played in 2007/08
Aleksandar Pavlovic
6-7 SG / SF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Eric Snow
6-3 PG from Michigan State
No games yet played in 2007/08

Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
No games yet played in 2007/08
Outgoing Players
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
No games yet played in 2007/08
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
No games yet played in 2007/08

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Lance Allred
6-11 C from Weber State
No games yet played in 2007/08
Aleksandar Pavlovic
6-7 SG / SF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Eric Snow
6-3 PG from Michigan State
No games yet played in 2007/08
Outgoing Players
Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
No games yet played in 2007/08

Plus Cavs send Sac-Town $ to buy out Allred and possibly Snow (if he doesn't get his injury retirement)

Cavs get a solid pf and can use West to possibly get JR Smith?
Miami gets a center who is a good post passer and will be a good fit next to Beasly, Marion, and Wade.
Kings GEt rid of a big contract, and give pt to Hawes. They get a good defender in Sasha. Snows contract could come off the books before the season starts if he gets his injury retirement.

[LiquidFire]

Alot of heat fans are happy with:

Wallace for blount & haslem.

i would absolutely love that.

then we could s&t delonte and a 2nd rnd pick to denver for JR smith

Mo williams/ Boobie
JR smith/ Wally/ Kinsley
Bron/ Pavs
Haslem/ AV
Big z/ Blount

I like that lineup, and we still have wallys huge expiring with a couple of trading pieces to fill out the roster.

[wallyboots]

^ Hey if the heat are happy w/ Big Ben for Haslem and Blount then I am all for it.

[Cleveland Fan]

I think we need Big Ben on our team. He is THE enforcer that a championship team needs. KEEP BEN WALLACE AT LEAST 1YEAR PLEASE.

[1bhcavsfan]

I agree with you to an extent, however I'm looking at what's given meaning that we are now down one productive big. However that was, and still is a strength kind of. So lets examine it a little closer.

Andy
6.7pts
8.3 rbs

Ben
4.8
8.3

Hickson
N/A

Now this is the part that I agree with you. Haslem is and will always be to small to play center in this league. However I'm not looking at him to play center I'm looking for him to play PF. Now one may say what about J.J. Well he is part of the unknown, does he have the where with all to be a contributor? I sure hope so but if not this is where Haslem comes in. Now don't get me wrong I'm hoping this could work out where our young bigs can step in a contribute right away, but what happens if they don't what then? Also what should we do about Andy? Should we cave in to his demands and pay him a outlandish contract, our watch him walk at the end of the year & we get nothing in return.

[cavsfan_osiris]

Wow, Heat fans would do Haslem/Blount for Ben Wallace? Why? I'd do that in a heartbeat.

edit: I was just on the Heat boards and it seemed to be anyone who knows anything about the NBA didn't like that trade

[cavshats]

big ben for haslem is a terrible trade for us i have already adressed this once and i don't see the point of doing so again. but i never added this haslem was a starter for one of the worst teams in the nba last year that also had a superstar in d wade on it and a star in shawn marion. If anything i would want this guy coming off the bench He is no where near on bens level defensively, just because he can grab 10 boards a game doesn't make him an all defensive teamer. On top of that with us adding mo williams and subtracting delonte we are going to need all of the shotblocking we can get from our bigs. Haslem isn't even a factor when wallace is still an intimidator inside. Shotblockers are able to erase dribble penetration while all haslem can do is hope to change your shot. Just because Haslem can step out and knock down a 15 footer doesn't mean he is on the level of joe smith because he is not. I think this is just another case of the grass looking greaner on the other side