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I believe the Goldenstae Warriors are about to make a trade with the Cavaliers. I have no sources, so take this as just a "trade idea"... but this trade makes all the sense in the world:

Cavs get: Stephen Jackson + Ronny Turiaf + GS 2nd round pick (or future 1st).
Warriors get: Wally

Bunch of reasons for this trade:

Golden State signed Jackson to a 5-year deal (4 guaranteed), and they are regretting it now, because they are so bunched-up at the wing-positions that they dont have time for everyone to play. Although they really like Jackson, he is 30 now, and he just doesnt figure into the ownership's plans. Ronny was signed with the belief that he would be the extra big that could run & gun, and still play defense. Well, he can...but so can Brandan Wright and draft pick Anthony Randolph...who unlike a recent rumor suggested, are NOT going anywhere! So GoldenState needs to dump a couple contracts, and then look at maybe picking-up a free-agent this summer (this will help get season ticket buyers also...which is hard in the current economy). A second round pick is a small price to pay to unload a contract they wish they didnt make (Jackson) and a free-agent they wish they didnt get (Ronny). In-addition, Wally would likely accept a buy-out...giving them more savings this year also...as Wally wouldn't play 2 minutes a game for Nelly.

The Cavs have some reasons of their own. They need another Big who can compete at a high level. Although Ronny isn't a star... he is capable, a good chemistry guy, relatively cheap, good defensively, and he's only 25. Stephen Jackson is the risky part of this deal, and many Cavalier fans wont like it. But it isn't as bad as it appears, because after this year, Jackson only has 3 years guaranteed. Jackson is a mid-80% ft shooter, and has never had a big injury. He can get to the basket and hit a three-pointer. But his biggest asset is that he is a great defensive specialist... oh yeah, and he is 6'8. He is currently listed as a SF, but has played SG most of his career, as he is faster than most guards...even at 30. Jackson is also a very high character guy... and a friend of Mike Brown.

Think about this trade before you write it off... there have been some "signs" that have pointed me to believing that this deal may go down...or one very close to it.

that'd certainly be interesting...

even though jackson is a crazy SOB, and hes shooting worse from 3 than lebron (while avg 5.4 3's), and is a career 41% shooter. He still brings in more defensive presence and we know LBJ will keep him under control. And we also get Turiaf

people also say Wally will ask to be bought out and will rejoin the cavs right

BTW i lol'ed at the very high character guy part

Heath.. it's really nice on RCF without you. Please leave this board too. (Couldn't hurt to try..)

Turiaf is GS's backup center- he would be a lot harder to get than that. Also, GSW would try hard to ship Maggette out before they trade SJAX, IMO.

Who wouldn't try to move Maggette before Jackson? While I'm not really a Jackson fan he's at least the kind of player that can fit in with a winning team. I've never really seen that in Maggette.

I think Cleveland does it. SJax would have been perfect before he signed but this deal is also reasonable for what he is getting paid only a little over 7mil this season. Turiaf on the other hand hasn't done much but he is an upgrade to be a true 4th big over if Hickson doesn't develop in time for the playoffs.

This trade I see making Cavs better than the Lakers and fully in the discussion of Celtics. Cavs go small when Lebron plays the 4 and SJax plays the three with Delonte,Mo, or Boobie playing the backcourt. The benefit now is Lebron has been posting up and SJax has been one of the best posting guards the last couple of years(remember Kobe and Lamar guarding Sjax and Baron last year to take the post away).

Now what I really would like to know is how much Randolf or Wright are on the block. I know Randolf is Mullin's guy and Nellie doesn't want him(he's phenomenal and I dont think he is moving unless something short of a Randolf/Monte for Bosh deal). Wright on the other hand is playing well and is a little more proven but I dont think has the ceiling of Randolf. I think Randolf would be a better prospect and eventually a better pro than Hickson so if we can do a deal I would take.

eyejayem wrote:I think Cleveland does it. SJax would have been perfect before he signed but this deal is also reasonable for what he is getting paid only a little over 7mil this season. Turiaf on the other hand hasn't done much but he is an upgrade to be a true 4th big over if Hickson doesn't develop in time for the playoffs.

This trade I see making Cavs better than the Lakers and fully in the discussion of Celtics. Cavs go small when Lebron plays the 4 and SJax plays the three with Delonte,Mo, or Boobie playing the backcourt. The benefit now is Lebron has been posting up and SJax has been one of the best posting guards the last couple of years(remember Kobe and Lamar guarding Sjax and Baron last year to take the post away).

Now what I really would like to know is how much Randolf or Wright are on the block. I know Randolf is Mullin's guy and Nellie doesn't want him(he's phenomenal and I dont think he is moving unless something short of a Randolf/Monte for Bosh deal). Wright on the other hand is playing well and is a little more proven but I dont think has the ceiling of Randolf. I think Randolf would be a better prospect and eventually a better pro than Hickson so if we can do a deal I would take.

I don't think Wright's on the block at all. At least, I haven't heard anything. Don't Randolph and Wright play different positions, SF and PF, respectively. I can see why they may try to trade Randolph, as they have they 1-2-3 locked in for years upon years.

I remember hearing that Mike Brown has a GREAT relationship with S-Jax.

This deal wouldn't be that bad, S-Jax could become our 6th man/situational wing defensive specialist..and if he respect MB so much...Chemistry may not take a hit at all!

I really think you guys should be looking at acquiring an true PF who can assist LeBron as far as playing the Celtics goes. Tough fit to find but it must be a guy who can stretch the floor.

the only thing is that the Cavs are playing so good i wouldnt want to ruin the chemestry by adding someone mid season + just save the money and sigh Lamar Odom or Hido this summer

Poor trade. SJAX is not a fit.. He's a poor shot selection guy..

No way this happens. SJAX is a cancer

I do like Capt Jack, but I am not a huge fan of this trade either. I really don't want to mess with the chemistry at all. With any trade, I really only like to add one new face if possible.

Having a scoring PF would be great but that would mean limiting Ben Wallace who is perfect right now with his man defense and no one is rebounding better, plus Lebron plays more PF which I think is good. The one reason why I would definately want SJax is for his defense. If we meet the Lakers in the finals I rather have SJax defending Kobe then Delonte. In the East I think against the Atlanta with Joe Johnson in the backcourt. Or even in Boston if SJax is coming off the bench, there is no way Tony Allen is doing a good job on SJax(post up all day).

As far as scoring PF who stretches the floor, I bet McDysse wishes he made the right decision now. But we wish he did too.

I have no sources

Stopped reading after that. Jackson is the captain of the Warriors, he's not going anywhere, the one they're looking to move is Maggette, but in that case the trade isn't so attractive is it?

I am not a Jackson fan, but at this price it would probably great value for Wally's expiring contract.
It all depends on Mike Brown's feelings on how Jackson would fit in since he coached him in Indiana.
I wasn't a big fan for Mo Williams until I read about CAV's coach (Mike Brown) really wanting him and believing he would fit in... combine that with the price we would have to pay here for Jackson and it's similar to the Mo Williams deal IMO.

IMO, GSW would ask of Varejao and Wally in a package for Jackson which I believe the CAVs would pass on.

Jackson would be a decent pickup for the cavaliers i suppose. he is used to getting the ball quite a bit though, so there would probably be an adjustment period. As someone else pointed out, he is their team captain and they'd probably not want to part with him for salary dump reasons.

while the cavs can definitely trade wally for a good player, they might just want to go after someone who they could bring off the bench as a scorer to minimize the offensive slumps when lebron sits. Ben gordon is greedy and everything, but the guy can flat out score and would love to leave chicago. we all know maggette is a guy the warriors would love to part with at this point, but i think the cavs can get something a little better (not to say that maggette off the bench would be a bad thing). I'd love for the cavs to try and pursue john salmons, somehow. he plays well against kobe on both ends, can score, play some defense, and handle the ball a bit.

Someone said something about Jackson not being high character... Well, Mike Brown said different, and I tend to believe him over you.

As for Jackson being Captain... yeah, Nelly made him Captain of the team. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? It is a business and GSW are in need of a dump. Maggett is not tradeable, because Isiah got fired, and McHale is no-longer a GM. As for Turiaf being the back-up Center... LOL. GSW dont have a center. AB is supposedly the center, but it is just a named position with them. They play 5 guards/wings and a PF... IE: Nelly Ball.

Jackson is 30, and he isn't a star, and doesn't shoot a high percentage. He scores a lot because he is a volume-shooter in a volume offense. When he was in Indiana he played a very similar role to what he'd do for us: Defensive-stopper, and out-let/slasher. He is not worth Varejao and Wally... He is barely worth Wally. As for Turiaf... if is a high-energy guy, who is among the league leader in blocks, despite playing less than 20 minutes a game. Oh... and Nelly hates Turiaf.

Those of you saying you wouldn't mess with the chemistry... well who is talking about that? I am talking about adding 2 quality players who will fit in. Look at it this way:

In April... what happens if Ben and Z go down with back spasms again???????

Who do we go into the post-season vs Boston with? WRIGHT and Varejao??????

You guys need to look closer at our team. Look what happened when Boobie went down. Delonte or Mo had to always be on the floor (one of them), which meant that if they were in foul trouble...or got hurt... who comes in? Kinsey? Not Sasha, Not Wally. They are barely capable of their current roles.

What happens if west gets hurt? Sasha steps into starting role... but when he rests, that means wally has to take his place, which means that Wally cant play SF when LBJ plays PF, because Wally is a foul-machine, and will start doing what he always does when he is tired: turn the ball over. So that means Jawad has to move into an important role... or Kinsey.... Either way=Loss to Celtics.

My point here is we need a good defensive player who is a big SG/SF (Jackson is that), who can also score (Jackson can). On the Defensive side, Turiaf isn't a full-time player, or starter caliber, but he is a great bench guy.

This is a fair deal for both teams, and helps both teams do what they need to do.

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While I was responding to this, I wanted to ask if anyone had heard anything about the Cavaliers talking to the Pistons about Tayshawn Prince? I ask because I have seen it on 3 ESPN forums... probably just a rumor, but I wanted to know if someone else had heard anything, and if so, if they could provide a link.

eyejayem wrote:Having a scoring PF would be great but that would mean limiting Ben Wallace who is perfect right now with his man defense and no one is rebounding better, plus Lebron plays more PF which I think is good. The one reason why I would definately want SJax is for his defense. If we meet the Lakers in the finals I rather have SJax defending Kobe then Delonte. In the East I think against the Atlanta with Joe Johnson in the backcourt. Or even in Boston if SJax is coming off the bench, there is no way Tony Allen is doing a good job on SJax(post up all day).

As far as scoring PF who stretches the floor, I bet McDysse wishes he made the right decision now. But we wish he did too.

You need both to defeat Boston. You need a guy who can make defenses think twice and put K.G. in foul trouble from the PF spot. Ben Wallace may be great on defense and rebounding but you'll need more to break that tough zone without losing the defensive edge that allows you guys to stay close on the shoulders of James.

wiretap reports that jackson would gladly accept a trade out of golden state. maybe this could happen after all.