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I do believe chemistry is big, but an 82 game season is long. Hopefuly we don't play our best basketball of the season in the first 30 games. That is why I think we need to make a move. Let me say now that I like Sasha alot on this team. Big guard who can play D & shoot the 3. The players that we need to use as trade bait are Wally, Sasha & Snow. If we only use these players to trade then we need a big guy & a big guard. There are a number of players who could help us. I do believe Danny will be active & make a move. If the right move is made it will put us over the top. We do need that final peice.

This is what I call overreacting.

I am sure Danny Ferry will pull the trigger when it makes sense.

A home team like the Heat are not going to shoot 61 percent from three point land every game... so yeah, you over reacting a little.

Why do we need to make a move again?

The team as it stands is probably the 3rd best in the NBA with a chance to win it all. By no stretch of the imagination should we refrain from making a move that makes the team better. Simply put, we are not good enough to do that. Now that doesn't mean we take a gamble on an iffy player. We have to be smart about it.

I don't think we need to make a move, but have all of you seen the last 5 games? We have played horrible. We need to start playing good ball or else we will have to think about a trade near the deadline.

I think we do need to make a move.

The last six games, we have played VERY badly. In everyone of those games, we probably should have lost.

If you look at our stats over the last six games, they are horrid. They look like the Cavaliers from last year. If you take away the 5 wins that we shouldnt have got, then we are 21-10... a good record, and a threat to goto the finals... but not a "great" team.

Mo Williams, Ben Wallace and LeBron and Delonte have been bringing it every game.... Zydrunas' ankle still hurts him, so I wont put him in the "not working" category... but Sasha, Gibson, Andy... have been playing half-a$$ed lately. Andy has been missing rotations, and basically playing like Drew Gooden did for us. He hustles...but that isn't helping in the paint, where he is getting beat by rookies and everyone else that decides to drive on him. Sasha has pretty much been a black hole, except his shooting has picked-up a little. However, his defense has slipped horribly. Daniel has actually played okay..and he may just be in a slump now... so I wont put him in the category of Sasha and Andy. But look at our bench...real close.

We had to play Hickson for 10 minutes in the second and fourth quarters because Z is hurt...and Ben had to play 34 minutes. Delonte had to play 40 because Sasha wont play defense again, and LeBron had to play 43 minutes, just so we'd have a shot to keep the game close. Mo was off tonight, but some of that can be attributed to Miami's Defense... and yes, Miami wont shoot a high percentage every game... but that's because their guys wont be left WIDE-OPEN every game. If Mo, Delonte, Gib is left as wide-open as Chalmers and Cook were tonight, then we'd have scored 30 more points.

Those of you thinking everything is A-okay... you are wearing the wine-colored glasses. It got so bad that we had to put Kinsey in the game...just because Sasha wouldnt play defense, and Delonte was tired-out.

We need to make a bold move... and right this ship. Our strength is our defensive system, and Mo/LeBron/Z.... everyone else is just parts to the puzzle...who can be replaced.

Yes, the chemistry has been good.... but we were winning. Over the past 6 games...how many times have you seen the bench jumping around and standing for the whole game??? Yeah... thats because they know the same thing I am saying right now... we have some holes that need covered.

I know I'm not popular, and I know that what I am saying now wont do much to change that feeling. However, I am a realist, and if a team is really good...then I'll say it. But as I have said ALL YEAR... the Cavs need two things: #1 A PF/C who can play great defense and has a post presence; #2 A big wing who can play superior defense, and can score (preferably one that has a handle and can drive & finish).

There are a few players out there that fit into these areas of need, that are available.

The PF/C available: Dalembert, Kaman, Nazr, Diop

The wings available: Josh Howard, Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, John Salmons (really dont like him...but he fits the profile)

We need to make a deal while we can... because Wally and Snow are only going to be worth something through February..

Looking into the future.. Ben will be our only chip. But, because he does so well for us, and because LeBron and him have gotten close, I dont think we will trade him. That means we will be extremely limited as far as acquiring any kind of help before 2010 for LeBron.

I say we send Wally plus 2009 2nd rounder (via Chicago) to Philly for Dalembert and Evans.

Then we trade Varejao and Sasha, plus 2009 1st rounder to Bobcats for Wallace and May.

Gibson really needs to improve his game, him playing so badly is killin us right now.

I don't want to move Varejao just yet. Gibson and LeBron are close friends. Only people I could see moving is everyone, besides West, Mo, Z, Wallace, Gibson, Varejao, and obviously LeBron. Kaman and Deng or Salmons interest me the most. G. Wallace is one concussion away from is career being over.

I've said this before- but I think Ferry is seriously waiting til the deadline where he'll go after either G. Wallace or Deng. I don't see VC or TMac being available, and I don't think he'll have any interest in Redd. He'd go for Deng because he has fallen off of what is expected of him, has a huge contract, doesn't fit in with Rose, and should come fairly cheap. He plays some solid defense so he should fit in pretty well and maybe a change of scenery would rejuvenate his offense. I think he'd go after Wallace because he would be a great sixth man and we'd match up extremely well with any team that wants to "bully" Delonte with bigger guards- insert G. Wallace- and that threat is neutralized. We'd still be weak up front if a big didn't come back in one of those deals so I think he's really hoping Joe gets bought out- even though it seems less likely now..

I would want Deng. I think he could be a beast here in Cleveland.

Most of the guys you WANT....are rather high end starters...and you want to take everyone off the table but the 3rd string? I was wondering about Stephen Jackson to the Cavs...but hey....not for Eric Snow and whatever other scraps. If anything..probably Deng,Kaman and G Wallace are even harder to get than S Jackson.

Snow + Hickson + Gibson can probably get the Cavs someone decent. The Cav's pick looks too late to have market value, can help replace the depth you trade. Wally? Doubt you want a guy who's essentially a salary dump type.

The biggest move this team needs to make is to grow up. They basically threw last night's game away and tried to do it on Christmas as well.

I do think that we would be foolish to not look for a way to better our team, but the only trades we should make are ones that clearly favor us. Thus we will not be giving up Hickson and Boobie unless its for someone big.

old rem wrote:Most of the guys you WANT....are rather high end starters...and you want to take everyone off the table but the 3rd string? I was wondering about Stephen Jackson to the Cavs...but hey....not for Eric Snow and whatever other scraps. If anything..probably Deng,Kaman and G Wallace are even harder to get than S Jackson.

Snow + Hickson + Gibson can probably get the Cavs someone decent. The Cav's pick looks too late to have market value, can help replace the depth you trade. Wally? Doubt you want a guy who's essentially a salary dump type.

The Cavs would much rather trade Wally's ending contract than Snow's due to the tax savings for Snow. The Cavaliers are higher on Gibson and Hickson than most of the names being bandied around in trade talks by other teams so don't see them being dealt.

The Cavs definitely would not take Stephen Jackson now that the W's extended his contract. The Cavs will not take any longterm contracts that run past 2010 unless they are young players that can play next to LeBron for many years. I'm a Gerald Wallace fan but even he would be a big risk given his contract and history with concussions. As far as Deng is concerned I doubt Paxson trades him since he likes his boy scouts but Deng is not a good match with Derrick Rose at all. Deng also plays the same position as LeBron and just signed a 72 million $ deal. Deng's rebounding and shooting #'s have really gone down this year too although he was never a good outside/ 3 pt shooter. He would be a talent upgrade but that's a huge contract for someone to be LeBron's backup. As for Kaman I don't think the Cavs have a shot at him. There are too many teams like the Bulls who have more talent to trade and a bigger need at center.

heathmalc wrote:
There are a few players out there that fit into these areas of need, that are available.

The PF/C available: Dalembert, Kaman, Nazr, Diop

The wings available: Josh Howard, Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, John Salmons (really dont like him...but he fits the profile)



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Dalembert is not available, he is a big part of what Philly wants to do. The clippers recently said that they are not going to trade any big men, so Kaman is not available either. In fact, if they were to trade a big man it would probably be Camby because Kaman is someone they can build around with Randolph. Luol Deng is another guy i would cross off that list? the reports last year were that they wouldn't even offer a package including Deng when Kobe was demanding a trade. They just gave him a pretty hefty extension, and he is a young core piece of their team. Why would they try and trade him to a team that, if they improve in the future like most people think they will, they will be seeing in the playoffs?

old rem wrote:Snow + Hickson + Gibson can probably get the Cavs someone decent. The Cav's pick looks too late to have market value, can help replace the depth you trade. Wally? Doubt you want a guy who's essentially a salary dump type.

Wally is a salary dump, and that's exactly why he is a very valuable trading piece for teams that need to clear space and/or rebuild. Wally's salary is near 14 million dollars, so he could really net the cavs a good player if they find the right partner. Snow is essentially the same thing, because he is retiring/retired and i believe his salary is near 7 million dollars. The cavs don't have much reason to trade Hickson and this point. He isn't worth much because he really hasn't proven anything. If anything, he's more valuable to them than anyone else because he can develop into something special. I don't see them including gibson in a package for anything less than a superstar player.

Nobody wants Mike Redd?

From what I have read MIL is willing to give him up for a Salary Dump.......

Niko23 wrote:Nobody wants Mike Redd?

NO.

Mr2400 wrote:

old rem wrote:Snow + Hickson + Gibson can probably get the Cavs someone decent. The Cav's pick looks too late to have market value, can help replace the depth you trade. Wally? Doubt you want a guy who's essentially a salary dump type.

Wally is a salary dump, and that's exactly why he is a very valuable trading piece for teams that need to clear space and/or rebuild. Wally's salary is near 14 million dollars, so he could really net the cavs a good player if they find the right partner. Snow is essentially the same thing, because he is retiring/retired and i believe his salary is near 7 million dollars. The cavs don't have much reason to trade Hickson and this point. He isn't worth much because he really hasn't proven anything. If anything, he's more valuable to them than anyone else because he can develop into something special. I don't see them including gibson in a package for anything less than a superstar player.

Who is giving up a $14 mill STUD....just to make him go away? Whoever wants Wally STILL has to pay the rest of this season....about a $9 mill disposal fee. So.....what $14 mill guy is so unwelcome someone pays $9 mill to DUMP him? How good is that guy? MAYBE you could try for Kirilenko....BIG contract....11 a game score but when in the mood his versatility is nice.

Gibson in a package for a superstar....yeah.....Gibson and Wally ought to get ya your choice of All Stars..... Good luck on that.....

"Can develop into something special..." uh....perhaps..which is why Hickson is really one of just a few trade chips of any worth. He's what makes Snow a trade chip..for example. Snow along gets you a guy someone thinks is a BAD CONTRACT...has no value. Even then..Hickson is a low #1 pick project.

Sasha....etc.....bfd.....you get back a comparable bench guy more or less.

If there is any possibility of the Gerald Wallace for Snow/Pavs and filler I think Ferry would move on it but if it is pick compensation that is holding it up. Cats probably want our 1st while Ferry wants to give Miami 2nd rd pick.

The other rumor was the 3way Cle/Cats/Por with Wally/Sergio going to cats and Felton going to Portland and Wallace/Frye coming to Cle I'd take that too but again pick compensation is probably an issue.

Wallace is probably at the top of my list because of his versatility to play SF/SG/PF and his defense is top notch. Then I'd consider Josh Howard.

As far as a big, I am not sure there are many that I can think of. Both a prescence downlow and stretch the offense. I would have said Milsap last year but he will get a hugh deal in Utah as they ship out Boozer. I like Frye because he stretches the floor with his range and can play PF/C(I can see him on the floor with Varrajao for stretches). Possibly Hakim Warrick in Memphis who plays SF/PF and can score but his defense isn't great, just like Charlie Villanueva in Memphis.