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Post#1 » by heathmalc » Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:08 am

First, let me tell you that I believe that the Cleveland Cavaliers will be trading for Gerald Wallace before the deadline. In-fact, I am almost positive. Yeah, I know. Many of you know me and know that I love to come-up with trades, a lot of which aren't very realistic. However, those are mostly for fun, as I enjoy numbers. This post is not like those trade-scenarios that I often come-up with based on often flimsy rumors. My belief that the Cavaliers will have Gerald Wallace in their line-up by the deadline is based on a lot of things...including rumors. However, the reason I am so confident that I am right, has absolutely nothing to do with a rumor...all facts, and all are verifiable (and linked).

Let me begin , now that I've either caught your attention or managed to get someone else to "ignore" me:

I will begin with Bob Finnan's article:http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2008/12/28/sports/nh283116.txt
Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace's name remains out there on the trading block. He'd look great coming off the bench for the Cavs. Could they pry him loose by trading Eric Snow, Sasha Pavlovic and Tarence Kinsey? Pavlovic's deal reportedly has just $1 million guaranteed next year, which the Cavs could pay.


Just the idea of trading Snow, Kinsey and Pavs for Wallace made most of us salivate. However, after we got finished dreaming of what a great tandum we'd have; reality struck us, and we immediately began to question Bob's sanity. Why would the Hornets trade someone who is worth so much to so many teams, for junk? And why would the Cavaliers trade Snow's contract, which can save the Cavaliers around 10 million dollars? Why not just trade Wally for Gerald + Filler?

After asking ourselves these questions, we quickly concluded that Bob was just coming-up with a scenario, and that he obviously hadn't paid attention in class, when he took NBA-Trades:101

Not so fast: The first thing I realized after looking at the trade Bob proposed, was that the Salaries we would be sending were more than Gerald's. So I asked myself why? Why add Sasha when Snow and Kinsey can be traded for Gerald without him? And why even trade Kinsey? Why not Jawad, who's contract is 40% cheaper than Tarence's, and would work with Snow for Gerald also?

This got me to thinking: Maybe Bob knows more than he is letting on. Why add Sasha? I kept asking myself why a guy (Bob Finnan) who has been covering the Cavaliers for 14 years would/could make such a blunder. Bob is not some hack journalist, he has won a lot of awards for writing (and he was a Golden Flash). Bob probably messes with trade machines more than any 2 fans do combined. And, he knows the team extremely well. So, this was no gaff. He knew what he was writing. He knew what the salaries were. Yet he wrote what he did, almost as an afterthought to his main article.

Understand, this is not the first time the Cavs have been rumored to have an interest in Gerald. Ferry reportedly had some talks this summer about Gerald and Felton...but those talks stalled after Mo Williams fell to us. In addition, Michael Reghi has been saying for weeks that he was convinced that Gerald was coming to the Cavs.

All of this is enough to give anyone hope, but not nearly enough to actually believe it. The same held true with me - until I decided to do some checking on a few things.

I was curious who the other player would be that the Cavaliers would get by adding Sasha Pavlovic to the trade, so I played with the trade machine, and amazingly, Nazr Mohammed just "barely" works. So, a trade of Nazr and GForce for Kinsey,Snow, and Sasha. Okay... that looks better, but even with the saved cap-space, it isn't fair. Seems like the Cavs would need to add 2 first round picks to the deal to make Charlotte want to deal.

Not so fast: After doing some more searching, it turns out that the Bobcats are over the cap - by $2,875,114.00. Amazingly, with this trade, they have an immediate $2,939,319.00 savings from their cap. Putting them under the cap by $64,205. This means they get 4 Million from the NBA for being under the cap (paid by the teams in the luxury tax). So, there is an immediate 6.9 mil swing right there. Lets also assume that the Cavaliers are sending 3 million (Most allowed per CBA). That means that the Bobcats get 9.9 million immediately. Hold on, we aren't done: Three days after the deadline, the team with the rights to Eric Snow, gets his salary refunded to them by the insurance company. Add 7,312,500, for a total of 17.2 million in immediate income.

It is important to note a few things now.
#1: The average income per NBA team, before taxes,etc is about 30 million dollars
#2: The Charlotte Bobcats are not your normal NBA franchise

The Charlotte Bobcats are ranked 29th out of 30 teams in net worth, at 284 mil.
Consider this article:http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/32/nba08_Charlotte-Bobcats_322435.html
The NBA's return to Charlotte has been a nightmare. In four seasons, the Bobcats have won only one-third of their games and are already on their third head coach, the mercurial Larry Brown who was hired in April. A bigger disappointment for owner Bob Johnson is the team's poor financial performance. Johnson claims losses of $50 million since he paid $300 million for the expansion franchise in 2003. He laments the poor corporate support for high-end tickets and suites as well as sponsorships. Corporate support is not likely to pick up any time soon as bruised Charlotte banking titans Wachovia and Bank of America are headed for layoffs and cutbacks on spending. The team's fortunes rest on minority owner and head of basketball operations Michael Jordan, who needs to put together a winning product before fans and companies will support the Bobcats.


Back to the business at-hand:
Gerald Wallace is owed about 42 million dollars (assuming he picks-up his player option) after this year. Nazr Mohammed is owed 14 Million. That is 56 million dollars in savings. Add in the 17.2 million they get immediately; add-in the money from the second half of Gerald and Nazr's contracts this year, minus the contracts of Kinsey and Sasha, and you now have a total monetary swing of approximately 84 million dollars.

Some more things to consider: The Bobcats are 27th in home attendance (13,670), and 29th overall in attendance (14,623). So while the average team in making 30 million before taxes, the Bobcats are making about 21,300,000 before taxes (29% less than the average team).

Now consider the economy. The NBA has taken a hit overall, but some of the small market teams have taken sucker-punches. Charlotte is one of those teams.

That 84 million dollars that they saved during this hypothetical trade with the Cavaliers, if split-up over the life of Gerald's contract, equals 21 million a year That is double their current income (almost).

Now, you do have to take into consideration the players that will be signed and will take the place of the current players (Snow), but you also have to assume that they will be watching the pocketbook very closely. Add-in the fact that the Cavaliers will make it possible for the Bobcats to stay under the cap for the next 4 years, and that is another 16 million that they make by doing this trade (approx 4 million per year for each team under the cap).

Now for the inevitable question: Why the Cavaliers?
Well, quite simply, nobody else can do what we can :)
There are seven other teams that can trade the necessary 12+ million in expiring contract to get Wallace. However, of those seven teams, only Portland would be able to offer a similar deal to what we could offer. The thing that Portland and the Cavaliers both have, and can trade, is expiring players, that are injured. Portland could offer Raef LaFrentz, and would be able to actually offer more money (5 million). The problem is that Portland cannot take Wallace and Nazr, because they would then have to cut a member of their team. That by itself would not be a very big issue, however, the very large contract of Wallace, and the 3 year deal of Nazr would throw their team out of sync. They have LA and others coming-up for pay-raises, and will have to tread carefully. The reason for this is that Portland is 20th in the league in revenue, which is odd because they are third in the league in attendance, and have a very nice young core.

It is possible that Portland GM Kevin Pritchard may try to find a third team that could take the long contract of Nazr..with maybe Travis Outlaw as the piece he gives for incentive. However, I think that Portland will not try and get Wallace (although I think there may have been a couple rumors suggesting it). I think that he is happy with his current line-up...although I have also heard that they are very interested in David Lee.

When it is all said and done, I think that the Cavaliers will be the team that gets Wallace. This is just my personal belief, but as the information I showed above illustrates, it would be one hell of a coincidence if Bob Finnan "just happened" to pick those exact three players to trade for Gerald in his musing.

EDIT: One more thing I wanted to point out... as a "coincidence:" If the Cavaliers end-up making the trade outlined above, then I guess that the reports about Danny saying he isn't interested in trading Wally, would finally make some sense.

Also: A couple links I forgot to add:
http://mvn.com/cavalierattitude/2008/12/news-herald-cavs-interested-in-gerald-wallace.html

http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/03/business-basketball-nba-biz-sports-nba08-cz_kb_mo_cs_1203intro.html

EDIT II: One other thing that could influence the Trailblazers: The Darius Miles situation in Memphis. If Darius plays 10 games, Portland is stuck with his salary again... that changes a LOT of things for them.
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Post#2 » by spectre_ » Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:19 pm

After doing some more searching, it turns out that the Bobcats are over the cap - by $2,875,114.00. Amazingly, with this trade, they have an immediate $2,939,319.00 savings from their cap. Putting them under the cap by $64,205. This means they get 4 Million from the NBA for being under the cap (paid by the teams in the luxury tax). So, there is an immediate 6.9 mil swing right there.


http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q17
Teams under the tax level receive a full share (1/30) of the tax money. (Note that if the league expands, the fraction changes.)


We don't have to be under the cap to get a share of the tax money...only under the luxury tax limit.
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Post#3 » by bcortell » Mon Jan 5, 2009 5:14 pm

Damn Heath.. guess that's the end to that. :lol:

I'd still try to get G. Wallace.. but I'm not sure it'll happen by style of highway robbery..
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Post#4 » by heathmalc » Mon Jan 5, 2009 6:26 pm

spectre_ wrote:
After doing some more searching, it turns out that the Bobcats are over the cap - by $2,875,114.00. Amazingly, with this trade, they have an immediate $2,939,319.00 savings from their cap. Putting them under the cap by $64,205. This means they get 4 Million from the NBA for being under the cap (paid by the teams in the luxury tax). So, there is an immediate 6.9 mil swing right there.


http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q17
Teams under the tax level receive a full share (1/30) of the tax money. (Note that if the league expands, the fraction changes.)


We don't have to be under the cap to get a share of the tax money...only under the luxury tax limit.


That would be all well, and good if I was actually talking about the TAX-MONEY. However, I wasn't talking about the tax money.

Yet, since you are reading the CBAFAQ, I would think that you'd know that since the money the Bobcats and all other teams that have a team salary under 71.15 million, will receive about 5.3 million dollars, or 1/30 of the amount paid in by tax-paying teams minus the NBA's share (Which changes depending on the year...as the commissioner can take ALL of that money if he deems it necessary).

The money I am referring to is money paid to the teams by the NBA (from the proceeds the NBA TAKES -IE: Stern), for economic reasons. In order for the NBA to give money to a team for ECONOMIC relief, they must be under the salary CAP... not the tax-level.

These are two totally different situations.

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Although the CBAFAQ is very helpful in layman's terms, it is not in-depth, and doesnt explain some of the other things that are done with the money that the league take...such as economic-relief. There are some other sites you can goto that actually have the entire CBA. It is a little boring to read, but it'll also enlighten you to a few things I am sure you are not yet aware of.
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Post#5 » by NetsForce » Mon Jan 5, 2009 6:28 pm

This would be a horrible move for my fantasy team.
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Post#6 » by Gordon Bombay » Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:51 pm

thats quite a read there heath...i think i need a nap tho - little exhausted lol
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Post#7 » by Mr2400 » Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:53 pm

i think you read a little too much into it. you turned a small paragraph about a possible trade scenario into the longest post i've ever read. If the deal is so awesome for charlotte? why hasn't it happened yet? why hasn't the rumor even been confirmed yet?
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Post#8 » by B Mac » Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:58 pm

Gotta give you props Heath. You really are well educated on the ways of trades, and it looks like you put a lot of time into this one. Now if only every post of yours was like this. Well done Heath.
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Post#9 » by heathmalc » Mon Jan 5, 2009 11:07 pm

Mr2400 wrote:i think you read a little too much into it. you turned a small paragraph about a possible trade scenario into the longest post i've ever read.


Possibly.

Mr2400 wrote:If the deal is so awesome for charlotte? why hasn't it happened yet? why hasn't the rumor even been confirmed yet?


Well, there are many reasons that a deal may not have been reached yet.

The Bobcats don't necessarily have to take the best deal, that gives them the most money. That is just one scenario. The Bobcats, I'm sure, are looking (and have been looking) for the best possible match for them. The match I proposed is purely financial. The Bobcats are considering the Cavaliers' offer, I'm sure. However, I am just as positive that they are looking at other scenarios as-well. The Bobcats' owner and front-office are not dumb. They know that to turn around their franchise, they need a successful product. The question that needs answered, and will ultimately decide their course of action, is whether there is another team with a young, cheap talent, who would trade for Wallce and Nazr... and whether that course or the other (trading to Cavs or like team) would be better.

Then, you have to consider the Cavaliers' view of things. The Cavaliers have their own situation. They need to develop a team that will make LeBron decide to stay in Cleveland. And that team needs to be in-place before 2010!!!

So the Cavaliers need to decide whether Wallace is the best course of action. Afterall, there are 9 other teams that are doing nearly as bad as Charlotte, or even worse. Perhaps those teams have a similar player...one that would fit in better than Wallace.

Afterall, why do you think the Cavaliers got Mo Williams so cheap? :wink:

After all is said and done, of the players that are available on these teams... I think that Gerald is the best. But that is just my opinion. It isn't a fact or anything. :D
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Post#10 » by Mr2400 » Mon Jan 5, 2009 11:27 pm

I also believe that Wallace would be a perfect fit for the cavs, especially now that Z is out for a while. He adds that front court scorer the cavs need, and he would allow the cavs to have a pretty lethal small lineup with Ben at center and G. Wallace at the PF. He doesn't cost too much for what he produces and could probably fulfill all that the cavaliers would ask of him. However, financial relief may not be the best deal charlotte can get. they won't exactly be a magnet for the big free agents of 2010 because they aren't a huge market and don't really have a solid core in place. i imagine that if they could choose, they would rather have a nice young player in exchange for wallace as opposed to only financial relief.
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Post#11 » by heathmalc » Tue Jan 6, 2009 12:07 am

Mr2400 wrote:I also believe that Wallace would be a perfect fit for the cavs, especially now that Z is out for a while. He adds that front court scorer the cavs need, and he would allow the cavs to have a pretty lethal small lineup with Ben at center and G. Wallace at the PF. He doesn't cost too much for what he produces and could probably fulfill all that the cavaliers would ask of him. However, financial relief may not be the best deal charlotte can get. they won't exactly be a magnet for the big free agents of 2010 because they aren't a huge market and don't really have a solid core in place. i imagine that if they could choose, they would rather have a nice young player in exchange for wallace as opposed to only financial relief.


Actually, LeBron will play PF in that line-up, not Gerald. But you are right, it does make for a very lethal line-up.

As for the young talent, I would imagine that Hickson has been in the conversation quite a bit. I think the Cavaliers are trying to keep him, however, it wouldn't surprise me if the Cavs ultimately give-in and add Hickson for Alexis Ajinca. I'd imagine that the Bulls' 2009 2nd would be added too (The Cavs 1st round pick will only be slightly higher than the Bulls' 2nd, and the cost of the 2nd will be MUCH cheaper, and non-guaranteed :wink: ).
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Post#12 » by spectre_ » Tue Jan 6, 2009 12:43 am

If I'm understanding you correctly this is tax money (or at least partly)...only not the part divied up between the teams under the limit. From your last post you mentioned Stern's "kept" money from the luxury tax...which Coon hits on:

In 2005-06, the league used all of the undistributed tax funds and none of its escrow funds to fund their revenue assistance plan. In 2006-07 it used all of the undistributed tax funds and about $20.7 million of the escrow funds for this purpose. In 2007-08 it used all of the undistributed tax funds and $5.3 million of "distributions from League entities." The use of escrow money in 2006-07 reduced each team's escrow share to $4,490,685.


Where did you get the "under the cap" and the 4 million dollar number from? Isn't this discretionary, or is there a scale somewhere?
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Post#13 » by heathmalc » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:09 am

spectre_ wrote:Isn't this discretionary, or is there a scale somewhere?


Discretionary. However, the league doesn't want any of it's teams to fail (obviously). A certain percentage is divided among the teams in need of assistance, that percentage is decided ultimately by Stern (supposedly), and a lot is based on how much there is to begin with.

There are not as many teams over the tax threshold as before, as more teams have become more responsible fiscally (actually, they were forced to be responsible ;) ), therefore the amount of monet received from taxed teams is much lower, and with the economy the way it is and sponsors backing out of contracts, some teams are really hurting. So an approximation cannot even be guessed, because there are too many factors that haven't been decided yet.

Despite it really being impossible to "guess" the actual amount, I gave an approximation based on last year. However, as 2007 showed us, that number doesn't mean anything, because Stern and his "team" can change the percentage at any time. Anyway, I think the 4 million is a fair number (although it could be... theoretically speaking, as much as about 10 million per team, if all teams who were over the cap now, made no changes to their rosters, and Stern put all the money toward a stimulus package).
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Post#14 » by INKtastic » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:25 am

heathmalc wrote:The money I am referring to is money paid to the teams by the NBA (from the proceeds the NBA TAKES -IE: Stern), for economic reasons. In order for the NBA to give money to a team for ECONOMIC relief, they must be under the salary CAP... not the tax-level.


I'm pretty sure that there is no truth at all to this claim. League revenues are evenly distributed to all teams. If a team was excluded from league revenues, it would be worth a heck of a lot more than $4 million.

Please post a link or quote from the CBA that confirms your odd claim. The entire CBA is here

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles.php

The league does have a revenue assistance plan for teams that are losing money, which is totally unrelated to being above or below the salary cap. Cutting salary doesn't give a team more revenue assistance since the assistance is limited to a team's actual loss - and this trade would reduce that loss for charlotte.

if you claim they would do the trade salary relief, fine, but don't make up a reason.
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Post#15 » by heathmalc » Tue Jan 6, 2009 7:24 am

lj4mvp wrote:
heathmalc wrote:The money I am referring to is money paid to the teams by the NBA (from the proceeds the NBA TAKES -IE: Stern), for economic reasons..

  • I'm pretty sure that there is no truth at all to this claim.
  • Please post a link or quote from the CBA that confirms your odd claim.


The entire CBA is here

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles.php

The league does have a revenue assistance plan for teams that are losing money, which is totally unrelated to being above or below the salary cap. Cutting salary doesn't give a team more revenue assistance since the assistance is limited to a team's actual loss - and this trade would reduce that loss for charlotte.

if you claim they would do the trade salary relief, fine, but don't make up a reason.


First, do you know what a collective bargaining agreement is?

To save you the trouble, I'll tell you: A collective bargaining agreement is a contract that is made between an employer and the employee, or their representatives (IE: Union), and sets the conditions of employment.

The CBA has NOTHING to do with what an employer does with it's money.

The CBA is a contract between the players and the NBA that basically governs how much money goes to the league, and how much goes to the players, and the rules that are applied to the money that is given to players,etc.

This is an over simplification of the CBA, but for this response, it is all that is needed.

What the league (employer) does with it's share of the revenue, has NOTHING to do with the players or their representatives, therefore it obviously would not be in the CBA. I think maybe you need to re-read what I posted (If you even read it, which I doubt).

lj4mvp wrote:The league does have a revenue assistance plan for teams that are losing money, which is totally unrelated to being above or below the salary cap.


Is it now? And from what great source of knowledge do you draw this conclusion? Where is YOUR link to back-up your claim?

lj4mvp wrote:Cutting salary doesn't give a team more revenue assistance since the assistance is limited to a team's actual loss - and this trade would reduce that loss for charlotte.


This entire statement doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

You obviously have made this post in an effort to debunk my post, without using any actual facts, and obviously without any idea of what you are talking about.

Apparently you believe that your 14,000 posts and status of forum moderator gives you the right to make up "reasons" for why a person's post may be inaccurate, yet ironically, you ask that the poster gives you links to back up his/her claim (even though you asked for a link to a document that has nothing to do with what was being talked about). IE:
lj4mvp wrote:if you claim they would do the trade salary for relief, fine, but don't make up a reason.

And just out of curiosity... What hat did you pull this out of???? :
League revenues are evenly distributed to all teams. If a team was excluded from league revenues, it would be worth a heck of a lot more than $4 million.


This makes NO sense whatsoever!!!! Who said anything about that??????????

How about actually reading the post the next time?
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Post#16 » by INKtastic » Tue Jan 6, 2009 1:10 pm

So I take it you have no link to any proof to support your odd claim that there is economic relieve available to teams that requires them to be below the salary cap?

And the CBA has everything to do with it - the players association would have a right to be involved in deciding the terms of any relief system that artificially constrained players salaries.

The only known explanation of how economic relief works is that the relief available to a given team is calculated using league average payroll and is capped by to a team's actual losses. Clearly reducing the team's salary reduces the actual loss, but does nothing at all to change the league average payroll for this season.

A team with losses would clearly want to get at or below the league average payroll, which it a number that's completely independent of the salary cap.

And where does this number come from?

#1: The average income per NBA team, before taxes,etc is about 30 million dollars


League revenue as defined by BRI (Basketball Related Income) in the CBA was 3.5 billion last year, or over $110 million per team. Over $2 billion is committed to players salaries in the CBA, or about $67 million per team (the league average payroll is effectively this amount, the surplus is where economic relief funds come from). That's pretty hard to do if average income was only $30 million per team.
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Post#17 » by witnessmoboobie » Tue Jan 6, 2009 7:21 pm

Wow Heath that was very thought out. I am impressed. Lets get it done.
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Post#18 » by heathmalc » Tue Jan 6, 2009 9:00 pm

lj4mvp wrote:So I take it you have no link to any proof to support your odd claim that there is economic relieve available to teams that requires them to be below the salary cap?
No, I do not. There is no such link, as the league's business office doesn't regularly post private matters on the internet.

lj4mvp wrote:And the CBA has everything to do with it - the players association would have a right to be involved in deciding the terms of any relief system that artificially constrained players salaries.
No. The Players association has a right to negotiate TEAM policies, and league policies that directly effect the players. Yor assertion that the players' salaries would be constrained is misguided, as the relief mandates have nothing to do with what a player makes, but has everything to do with teams being fiscally responsible.

The Union IS kept aware of these matters however - but not because the league HAS to tell them, rather they tell the union so when they negotiate on the next contract, the union negotiators understand why the league needs certain constraints to be in-place.

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#1: The average income per NBA team, before taxes,etc is about 30 million dollars

lj4mvp wrote:League revenue as defined by BRI (Basketball Related Income) in the CBA was 3.5 billion last year, or over $110 million per team. Over $2 billion is committed to players salaries in the CBA, or about $67 million per team (the league average payroll is effectively this amount, the surplus is where economic relief funds come from). That's pretty hard to do if average income was only $30 million per team.


First of all, league revenue was not 3.5 billion, it was 3.861 billion (361 million dollars isn't an arbitrary number), and that is approximately 5.8% higher than the 07-08 season. However, this number is a gross number for the LEAGUE, which can be very misleading when you don't look at other factors. In addition, this number is a gross revenue, and not the EBIT number (earnings before interest and taxes).

For the average fan these numbers that are thrown out and used in write-ups by some irresponsible journalists, tend to skew the way things really work.

If you would like, I will send you a PM on an example of how to better understand how the money actually works. However, I don't have time, nor the drive, to make a 3-page post right now. Just now this: You are wrong.

However, this is not to say that the Cavaliers will actually get Wallace. I only identified one of the reasons he could be sent to the Cavs in a trade. I didn't give equal time to why Charlotte may forgo such a move, which is equally compelling. It is a judgment call by the people that run the Bobcats' franchise, as well as the people who run the Cavaliers' franchise. There is simply too many integers to actually cover everything in a single post... or even 20 posts.

At the end of the day, my ORIGINAL post was made because I found it extremely odd that Bob Finnan would pick those exact three players. When you consider Bob's experience, and you take into account some other things, it is extremely coincidental... and I just found it too hard to believe. So I tried to give a BRIEF outline of why Charlotte would be making such a trade. I did not, nor do I plan to, have an argument over the NBA and the Union's required sharing policies, as it is off-topic, and very uninteresting.
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Re: Ready for G-Force yet? READ THIS!!! 

Post#19 » by INKtastic » Tue Jan 6, 2009 11:12 pm

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lj4mvp wrote:So I take it you have no link to any proof to support your odd claim that there is economic relieve available to teams that requires them to be below the salary cap?


No, I do not. There is no such link, as the league's business office doesn't regularly post private matters on the internet.



I see you're back into your "inside knowledge" mode again....

and 3.5 billion was just a close enough number to counter your other odd claim of an average of $30 million per team. No need to correct that to 3.861 billion to get even further away from your $30 million per team figure.
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Re: Ready for G-Force yet? READ THIS!!! 

Post#20 » by heathmalc » Tue Jan 6, 2009 11:38 pm

lj4mvp wrote:
heathmalc wrote:
lj4mvp wrote:So I take it you have no link to any proof to support your odd claim that there is economic relieve available to teams that requires them to be below the salary cap?


No, I do not. There is no such link, as the league's business office doesn't regularly post private matters on the internet.



I see you're back into your "inside knowledge" mode again....

and 3.5 billion was just a close enough number to counter your other odd claim of an average of $30 million per team. No need to correct that to 3.861 billion to get even further away from your $30 million per team figure.


You are obviously very thick-headed.
Some more things to consider: The Bobcats are 27th in home attendance (13,670), and 29th overall in attendance (14,623). So while the average team in making 30 million before taxes, the Bobcats are making about 21,300,000 before taxes (29% less than the average team).


You completely take this number out of context. The $30 million is an EBIT number, which I tried to explain to you in the last post. EBIT= the revenue that (average) teams make, AFTER expenses, but before taxes and interest is taken into account. EBIT is the number that is used by groups to determine a companies profitability. However, as I stated in the original post, Charlotte is not your average team... far below it actually.

As for your other statement:

I see you're back into your "inside knowledge" mode again....


As I stated before, you are simply trying to debunk my post with no facts, and very little understanding of how business works. You obviously have an ego problem, as even though the facts are laid out in front of you, you continue to grasp for straws in a futile attempt to prove you are right, and I am wrong. In the end, it doesn't matter how many posts you make, you are wrong.

Get over it.
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