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Since most of our deals/trades usually come from left-field... here is one that fits the profile:

Cleveland Cavaliers

Jermaine O'Neal
Salary: $21,372,000 Years Remaining: 2(player Option)
Jason Kapono
Salary: $5,784,480 Years Remaining: 2

Toronto Raptors

Lorenzen Wright
Salary: $797,581 Years Remaining: 1
Wally Szczerbiak
Salary: $13,775,000 Years Remaining: 1
Eric Snow
Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 1
Rights to Chicago's 2009 2nd round pick

This is not an ideal trade for either team, however, it helps both teams in the short-term and the long-term.

Why for Toronto: The Jermaine Oneal experiment has not worked out, and the Raptors want to remedy this situation as soon as possible. Bryan Colangelo does not want to part with Bargnani, and since he has actually played well the last 5 games, his resolve is even stronger. By trading Oneal NOW. Bryan will have a chance to take either Snow or Wally's contract, and re-trade it for players that the Raptors can use moving forward. Wally could help the Raptors, replacing Kapono, but since he is expiring, it may be more beneficial to move him for a couple younger guys who can help more. Another scenario would have the Raps moving Snow and Parker is a couple separate trades, and letting Wally expire. The Raptors will also get Chicago's 2nd rounder this summer, which should be fairly high, and they save 5.4 million immediately from this trade.

Why for the Cavaliers: To many Cavalier fans, this may seem like an excessive amount to pay out for what they are getting back. However, The Cavaliers are in win now mode. Jermaine Oneal is a match-up problem for Boston, and he can cover Garnette better than any other PF in the league. Jason Kapono is a role-player, who will only be used for match-up situations, basically taking the role Wally had, for less minutes. The 2nd round pick would seem to be excessive also, considering that this trade saves Toronto so much and also gives them the flexibility to change their season around... but the benefits for the Cavaliers are equal...only a bit delayed. Jermaine and Jason will be expiring contracts next year... so, in addition to Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, Zydrunas Ilgauskas... the Cavaliers will have 2 more huge expiring deals next year...and that will put them in the middle of every deal that is available come next year's trade dead-line. The Cavaliers won't be forced to make a move either, because they will have nearly 58 million in expiring contracts... that is enough to take-on the entire salary of some teams whole payroll. Immediately, Jermaine helps with the front-court rotation, and Jason can do what he does best: Shoot the three ball.

I was ignoring this deal on the trade board in hopes it'd just go away. But no, you have to try to bring attention to it by bringing it here. That being said, I really don't like O'Neal but I could live with him coming off the bench. That'd be an awful lot of overpaid big men on the Cavs however. I don't see any use for Kapono at all. He's also overpaid can't play defense either. He's just a one trick pony.

TheOUTLAW wrote:I was ignoring this deal on the trade board in hopes it'd just go away. But no, you have to try to bring attention to it by bringing it here. That being said, I really don't like O'Neal but I could live with him coming off the bench. That'd be an awful lot of overpaid big men on the Cavs however. I don't see any use for Kapono at all. He's also overpaid can't play defense either. He's just a one trick pony.

I can't disagree with anything you just said, because I feel the exact same way.


That being said - Kapono's 1 trick that he does well... he does VERY well. The fact that he is an additional expiring (team option for 2011), that gives the Cavaliers more flexibility for next year.


This is like a last-option type of trade. My #1 trade is still Gerald Wallace, and #2 being Corey Magette.

I have no interest in Maggette under any circumstances, but I truly don't understand why you seem so focused on finding the Cavs small forwards.

there was an article on hoops world the other day that said colangelo had no interest in trading Andrea or Jermaine.

Please no more about maggette. turns it over, plays no defense, selfish, overpaid, and can't shoot.

Mr2400 wrote:there was an article on hoops world the other day that said colangelo had no interest in trading Andrea or Jermaine.

Please no more about maggette. turns it over, plays no defense, selfish, overpaid, and can't shoot.

BC definitely doesn't want to trade Bargani... however, at-least he has "listened to offers," which is more than he did before.

As for Jermaine... he is available.

As for your take on Maggs - You obviously don't know much about basketball beyond what little you hear on ESPN.

Corey is an EXCELLENT shooter, EXCELLENT driver. Selfish...yes...but look at the team he has played on. Defense lacking? Yes, but again, look at the team. It isn't like he "Can't" play defense! Look no further than when he plays Kobe Bryant one-on-one if you want to see if he "can" play defense!!!!

To Outlaw: I am concentrating on SF/SG because that is our biggest weakness. Yes, LeBron is God... but after him, the position is crap. Delonte does well, but he is undersized to play the 2, and he only has one hand and one direction in-which he can drive...when he does drive.

Fact is, Delonte should be our SG off the bench...not our starter. However, due to how good his chemistry is in the starting line-up, he can stay there... but we still need a player who is multi-dimensional on offense, and a capable defender...with size. Maggette is all of that. And at his price, he is VERY cheap for what he can do!!!! He just turned 28 in November, which suggests that he should have little to no production-loss through the remainder of his contract.

Maggette's Value is very low right now...caused by his dislike for Don Nelson (and vice-versa).

The Cavaliers were interested in Corey this past summer; I doubt that has changed!

ONE LAST THING:

Before any of you reply to this post and tell me how crazy I am... go and watch him play... go and watch the tape of him when we played the Warriors. You will notice that he gets to the line at will...and even LeBron, and his improved defense cannot stop Corey from scoring. THEN.... notice how HE "decides" to guard LeBron.... and stops LeBron.

When Corey is motivated to play defense... he is a VERY capable defender. I believe Mike Brown and our team can help him change the way he plays...and since he is LOCKED-IN to his contract, we will have LeBron's Pippen for the next 5 years, and Below-Market value!!!!

Please, just go watch him play before saying unfounded things about him. He CAN play defense...and his offense... it has NEVER been questioned!

#1 Target: Gerald Wallace
#2 Target: Corey Maggette
#3 Target: Travis Outlaw

Edit: For those thinki9ng the Cavs biggest weakness is the front-court...it isn't. We could use an extra body there...but it isn't a weakness. Only the SG/SF position is weak.

Anybody who wants Maggette on the Cavs must be a fan of someone else...

Maggette takes poor shots... He holds the ball on possessions... And his defense hasn't been decent for about 4 seasons or so and he's in the first year of a deal...

Very poorly executed idea...

we send ben wallace, wally and a 1st to toronto for

jermaine oneal and jason kapono

line up when big z gets healthy

pg-williams
sg-west/kapono
sf-lebron
pf-oneal
c-big z

^^Go away.

MAKE MEEEEEEEEEEE

What are you? 10?

Before any of you reply to this post and tell me how crazy I am... go and watch him play... go and watch the tape of him when we played the Warriors. You will notice that he gets to the line at will...and even LeBron, and his improved defense cannot stop Corey from scoring. THEN.... notice how HE "decides" to guard LeBron.... and stops LeBron.

admittedly I didn't recall this game other than the fact that we won rather handily but if stopping LeBron is ho.lding him to 9/13 shooting and 23/8/7 in 31 minutes while scoring at will is 11 pts in 3/11 shooting? I am kinda getting the idea why you were banned from the other site

TheOUTLAW wrote:

Before any of you reply to this post and tell me how crazy I am... go and watch him play... go and watch the tape of him when we played the Warriors. You will notice that he gets to the line at will...and even LeBron, and his improved defense cannot stop Corey from scoring. THEN.... notice how HE "decides" to guard LeBron.... and stops LeBron.

admittedly I didn't recall this game other than the fact that we won rather handily but if stopping LeBron is ho.lding him to 9/13 shooting and 23/8/7 in 31 minutes while scoring at will is 11 pts in 3/11 shooting? I am kinda getting the idea why you were banned from the other site

that last part sounds exactly like the game i remember.

how can you say 10 million is below market value for maggette, heath? there is a reason the warriors fans started a thread in every single team's forum asking about interest in maggette. he hogs the ball, turns it over, and can not shoot. warriors fans hate him, and they hate how much they're paying him.

heathmalc wrote:

Mr2400 wrote:there was an article on hoops world the other day that said colangelo had no interest in trading Andrea or Jermaine.

Please no more about maggette. turns it over, plays no defense, selfish, overpaid, and can't shoot.

BC definitely doesn't want to trade Bargani... however, at-least he has "listened to offers," which is more than he did before.

As for Jermaine... he is available.

As for your take on Maggs - You obviously don't know much about basketball beyond what little you hear on ESPN.

Corey is an EXCELLENT shooter, EXCELLENT driver. Selfish...yes...but look at the team he has played on. Defense lacking? Yes, but again, look at the team. It isn't like he "Can't" play defense! Look no further than when he plays Kobe Bryant one-on-one if you want to see if he "can" play defense!!!!

To Outlaw: I am concentrating on SF/SG because that is our biggest weakness. Yes, LeBron is God... but after him, the position is crap. Delonte does well, but he is undersized to play the 2, and he only has one hand and one direction in-which he can drive...when he does drive.

Fact is, Delonte should be our SG off the bench...not our starter. However, due to how good his chemistry is in the starting line-up, he can stay there... but we still need a player who is multi-dimensional on offense, and a capable defender...with size. Maggette is all of that. And at his price, he is VERY cheap for what he can do!!!! He just turned 28 in November, which suggests that he should have little to no production-loss through the remainder of his contract.

Maggette's Value is very low right now...caused by his dislike for Don Nelson (and vice-versa).

The Cavaliers were interested in Corey this past summer; I doubt that has changed!

ONE LAST THING:

Before any of you reply to this post and tell me how crazy I am... go and watch him play... go and watch the tape of him when we played the Warriors. You will notice that he gets to the line at will...and even LeBron, and his improved defense cannot stop Corey from scoring. THEN.... notice how HE "decides" to guard LeBron.... and stops LeBron.

When Corey is motivated to play defense... he is a VERY capable defender. I believe Mike Brown and our team can help him change the way he plays...and since he is LOCKED-IN to his contract, we will have LeBron's Pippen for the next 5 years, and Below-Market value!!!!

Please, just go watch him play before saying unfounded things about him. He CAN play defense...and his offense... it has NEVER been questioned!

#1 Target: Gerald Wallace
#2 Target: Corey Maggette
#3 Target: Travis Outlaw

Edit: For those thinki9ng the Cavs biggest weakness is the front-court...it isn't. We could use an extra body there...but it isn't a weakness. Only the SG/SF position is weak.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008112805

where does maggette shut lebron down? where does he get to the line at will? 5 times in a game isn't all that special. that whole post is fabrication. if maggette could really shut down lebron and get to the line at will, would people really be starting threads in every team's forum because they so desperately want to get rid of him? get real.

To the 10 yr. old that wants to trade Ben: YOUR A (Please Use More Appropriate Word)!

My opinion on Kapono, Wally=Kapono. We would be trading Wally for another Wally. Whats the point?

Barf..

Raps haven't thrown in the towel yet