time for a new frontcourt PERIOD

[daboywonder2007]

merge this w/ another thread if you must. ben wallace expires next yr. smith and wally z expire this year. andy and big z have p. options for next year. z is just not quick enough to play big minutes anymore. so the question is who do they go after.

1)if george shinn is really trying to save money- id go hard for tyson and david west. heck even just tyson is good enough. but go after both

2)udonis haslem- quick enough to guard 3's as well as the 4 spot. can hit the 15-18 footer. basically an upgraded version of joe smith. why would miami get rid of him? everyone knows beasley is gonna start eventually.

3. maybe chris kaman- im just not sure if he is a good fit on this cavs team or not.

[joeleolebo]

What are the chances Carlos Boozer would sign with Cleveland? Is Boozer a good fit/would the majority of Cav's fans like Boozer back here?

[TheOUTLAW]

Boozer would be a terrible fit and no, I for one don't ever want him back. I still think he's overpaid and gets way too much credit for what he does.

[Ben]

Offer Ben Wallace + Varejao for Shaq. Williams, LBJ and Shaq would have a pretty good shot at winning a title next year if Shaq can be at least moderately healthy for the playoffs.

Since you wouldn't be giving Phoenix any salary relief, maybe you would have to throw in a prospect such as Hickson. But if I were you, I would do it. Get that dominant frontcourt presence and take some damned pressure off of Lebron. That guy's pulling a heavier load than anyone I've ever seen, except maybe AI in 2001.

[TheOUTLAW]

Ben Wallace, but not Varejao

To be honest that trade makes the Cavs way worse. The Cavs wouldn't have anyone to play the every other game that Shaq couldn't play.

[Ben]

Ben Wallace, but not Varejao

To be honest that trade makes the Cavs way worse. The Cavs wouldn't have anyone to play the every other game that Shaq couldn't play.

Fair enough, but it couldn't just be Wallace (salaries wouldn't match) and Pavlovic (another possible salary filler) isn't any good. Phoenix doesn't need to dump Shaq just to dump him; they would have to get something, whether salary relief or prospects or a combination thereof.

I do think that Shaq could be a good fit in Cleveland. Udonis Haslem is not going to get it done for you.

[artest420]

if u guys wanted a ring, shaq could be the way. he will play every playoff game and be a solid force as the #2.

[Wade County]

Shaq might drop the Cavs from 66 wins to 50 wins, but come playoff time dwight howard wouldnt be getting in the paint for dunks.

Seems like a good trade at this point.

[Los Def]

I really think you guys ought to wait until 2010, tell Lebron to wait to resign, and go get Bosh or Amare. You'll have the money, since none of your guys are gonna be signed past next year except for Mo, Hickson, and whoever you pick this year in the draft.

PS-Everyone in the league is gearing up for Lebron's free agent year. No one is going to give you a trade that makes you better and thus helps keep Lebron there.

[HotRodStuckey]

Okay. No disrespect to any of you. But do any of you have a clue about basketball. You people are talking about signing players like Boozer, Amare, and Bosh. The Cavs do not have the money for any of them players. When 2010 comes around you for sure wont have the money, cause if you wanna keep Lebron half of the Cavs salary cap is going to half to go to him. Check the stats the Cavs don't have the money next year to sign any big name players. The Cavs are already 32 Million over the Cap. They wont be able to sign anyone over the MLE next year or in 2010 if they decide to resign lebron.

[dunleavyjr]

Time to get Yao Ming. He is the only guy in the NBA who can eat D12 alive.
Big Z is a freaking roll of Charmin. He is old too by the way.
Varejao is just not strong enough, and also is too freaking small to guard D12.

I wanna see the LeBron-Yao combo.

[Sofa King]

I hear Boozer is going to test the market.

Would be interest if the Cavs actually got Amare... not Shaq.

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Due to Phoenix and Cleveland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Phoenix and Cleveland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Phoenix Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -10.6 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +0.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Daniel Gibson
6-2 PG from Texas
7.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.9 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
3.0 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +10.6 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -0.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Daniel Gibson
6-2 PG from Texas
7.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.9 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
3.0 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.5 minutes

[corwin]

Too bad Cleveland let Wally & Snow expire without using their money. This pretty much forces your hand in re-signing Varajao to a large contract. Your best move might be to move Wallace for a younger player with a longer deal. Chandler or West come to mind. I'm sure you could get Dalembert but his inconsistency would drive you crazy.

[Ben]

I hear Boozer is going to test the market.

Would be interest if the Cavs actually got Amare... not Shaq.

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Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Phoenix and Cleveland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Phoenix and Cleveland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Trade ID #5088706

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Phoenix Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -10.6 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +0.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Daniel Gibson
6-2 PG from Texas
7.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.9 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
3.0 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +10.6 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -0.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Amare Stoudemire
6-10 PF from Cypress Creek (HS)
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Daniel Gibson
6-2 PG from Texas
7.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.9 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
3.0 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.5 minutes

Wait, that's a joke, right? It must be. Ben Wallace's expiring deal and Daniel Gibson for Amare? Funniest trade proposal I've ever heard. Much funnier than last trade deadline, when one or two Cavs fans were acting as if JJ Hickson was going to get the Suns' attention because he's the next coming of Karl Malone.

Shaq's realistic. Bogut or CV could definitely help, as the Bucks fan said. But I don't know what the Cavs could offer for either one. Certainly, you have nothing that could net Bogut. That's the problem from having a team that's so focused on one player. Some Bucks fans want to get rid of Michael Redd, and you could try to offer Delonte West and either Big Z or Big Ben. But your defense would go into the toilet.

[daboywonder2007]

1) charlie v is talented. and i havent seen a bunch of bucks games. but from what ive seen. he is basically a stats guy. he doesnt hit the boards hard enough and his defense is suspect

2) bogut- his contract is not worth it. id much rather have mehmet okur. imagine all that driving room for lebron memo would create. scary right?? not sure how much the cavs can offer mehmet though

3. amare- sorry not worth it. doesnt hit the boards enough for me and his defense is suspect. i dont care if he scores 26 plus a game. thats not what the cavs need.

[Ben]

Okay. No disrespect to any of you. But do any of you have a clue about basketball. You people are talking about signing players like Boozer, Amare, and Bosh. The Cavs do not have the money for any of them players. When 2010 comes around you for sure wont have the money, cause if you wanna keep Lebron half of the Cavs salary cap is going to half to go to him. Check the stats the Cavs don't have the money next year to sign any big name players. The Cavs are already 32 Million over the Cap. They wont be able to sign anyone over the MLE next year or in 2010 if they decide to resign lebron.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Half of the Cavs' salary cap will go to Lebron? Do you know what a max contract allows these days? Around $16 million, plus or minus a little bit. Maybe a bit more in 2010.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q11

Right now the Cavs have around $21 million in 2010 not including Lebron.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... aliers.jsp

Depending on how they play their cards, they could definitely re-sign Lebron and still have enough to make someone else a max or near-max offer. I'm not saying that's hugely likely, but it could happen. Yao's the most intriguing since the news of the Chinese investment group's involvement with the Cavs, although I've seen some Cavs fans on this board being leery of his bodily wear-and-tear.

[realfung]

No Boozer please. I think Chandler is good one.

[moocow007]

1) charlie v is talented. and i havent seen a bunch of bucks games. but from what ive seen. he is basically a stats guy. he doesnt hit the boards hard enough and his defense is suspect

2) bogut- his contract is not worth it. id much rather have mehmet okur. imagine all that driving room for lebron memo would create. scary right?? not sure how much the cavs can offer mehmet though

3. amare- sorry not worth it. doesnt hit the boards enough for me and his defense is suspect. i dont care if he scores 26 plus a game. thats not what the cavs need.

??? One of the Cavs biggest problems in this series is that they have no one else that can be relied upon to score (aside from Lebron) and no one that is forcing Dwight to work on defense (aside from Lebron). And Stoudemire averages more rebounds than any Cav front court player (aside from Lebron). Adding Stoudemire would also bypass the need for the Cavs to have to figure out how to clear enough cap space for a 2nd star in 2010 since he'd already be their free agent. Not to mention that it will show Lebron that "look we already have a 2nd star" instead of "give us a chance and we'll try to find one". If the Suns were crazed enough to be willing to take what is being proposed, the Cavs would have to be absolutely insane to turn it down.

[daboywonder2007]

man amare is interesting. but man a lot of question marks? 1) how much money will he want when his contract expires. 2) is he commited to playing defense? 3)can he play without nash? personally i think the problem is interior defense and rebounding. lebron shouldnt be leading the team in rebounding and blocks. you need someone to crash those boards. someone to give you those 15- 20 rebounds every few games. id much have rather chandler and west or just settle for one of them . bring z off the bench. chandler would provide interior d and rebounding. if your worried aboutnow david west can also rebound. plus that pick and pop you run with z you can run with west. also by hitting that 18 footer, west can draw the defense out giving bron room to operate.

[RoyceDa59]

You guys have to go after Dirk Nowitzki when he's a FA in 2010.

PG Mo
SG West
SF James
PF Dirk
Cc Varejao