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Brown Could Be Out In Cleveland 

Post#1 » by J08 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:01 am

"One source said Cavs management wasn't only disappointed in the losses, "but equally disappointed in the (two) wins" in a series that went six games.

It is believed that owner Dan Gilbert is among those who thinks the Cavs need an upgrade on the sidelines, while general manager Danny Ferry is standing strongly behind Brown."

what do u guys think should Brown get fired or should he stay?
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Post#2 » by B Mac » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:13 am

Check the source, who once again has no sources, but continues at every chance he gets to try to make the Cavs look bad in an attempt to get LeBron to NY. Im dumbfounded that this made the wiretap.
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Post#3 » by DowJones » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:21 am

I would be happy but this is insane. Brown will have at least 1 more year. The source is horrible.
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Post#4 » by Gordon Bombay » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:51 am

svg basically took a huge dump on mike brown in that series...if lebron had gotten anything out of his supporting cast or from his head coach, the cavs are probably still playing because of lebrons brilliance (and were two rashard lewis misses from being there as it is all because of lebron)

dont think he should get fired for it, but he definitely needs to improve
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Post#5 » by Roger Murdock » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:13 am

if we fire brown off a coy win to hire some no name I will flip my ****.

The only proven coaches out there right now are jvg, fratello, and avery johnson.
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Post#6 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:15 am

Lebron-hating Wiz fan here that truly believes Mike Brown is a competent, GOOD coach. He sure owned a coach I like, Eddie Jordan.

Brown had a few miscues. I said during the Orlando series I thought Wally hurt the team. Maybe more of Pavlovic and Joe Smith could have helped. I felt SVG outcoached Brown a couple times. But that's as far as I'd go with it.

The Magic just matched up well against the Cavs and coaching wasn't the problem. Howard is young and mobile--the opposite of Z and Big Ben. Turkoglu and Lewis are tough matchups, particularly because they make Lebron have to work on defense. Pietrus got abused, but made Lebron worker harder on offense. Rafer had decent games.

NONE OF THIS IS BROWN'S FAULT.

I've called him Mr. Potato Head out of fun. I think Mike Brown is smart, kind, a very good defensive coach, and a guy who's been the man despite having a player with a huge persona. He's the coach and he's very vocal without being a jerk. Not easy to do. Brown's a big part of Cleveland's success, beyond Lebron's great talent. Mike Brown coached them to the best record. He worked in Mo Williams and didn't miss a beat when West and Wallace got hurt.

If Brown gets axed I'll feel the same way I did when Dumars fired Carlisle for Larry Brown.

It's unfair.

(Oh, and I'll blame Lebron .... but what else is new. :) )
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Re: Brown Could Be Out In Cleveland 

Post#7 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:20 am

Bottom Line: If Brown's fired the next coach has to be #1 out of 30 or else he's a failure.

Gilbert will run away Ferry, Lebron will leave (even after he gets rid of Brown), and the Cavs will be just like the Pistons.

Ferry better man up and not run off a good coach.

I honestly don't think anybody's going to be much better than Mike Brown.
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Post#8 » by realfung » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:54 am

not a good move
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Post#9 » by TheOUTLAW » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:35 pm

It just seems odd that the Cavs would actually look to fire Brown at least until half way through next season. Brown has led the Cavs to seasons of 50-32,50-32, 45-37 and 66-16. It is odd that there is even any discussion about this except in an effort to disparage the Cavs by NY writers.
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Post#10 » by Icness » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:14 pm

I'll believe it when I see it. Although it wouldn't be out of character to overreact to one brutal playoff loss...
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Post#11 » by LBJFlight23 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:54 pm

fake. per the most reliable cavs beat writer who also writes for espn, brian windhorst, :

Take it from me, any story you see or hear about Mike Brown's job being in jeopardy is 100% false. Very poor Cavs "journalism" this week.

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Post#12 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:37 pm

It's about time..Brown is clearly in over his head. Junk the ugg ball halfcourt slow down crap and run run run with Lebron leading the charge..Pattern your style after Magic Johnson's Showtime.
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Post#13 » by LBJFlight23 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:53 pm

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Post#14 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:08 pm

:roll: Another year of Lebron's career wasted in 09-10
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Post#15 » by old skool » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:50 pm

Even if the "report" was accurate, it is very sketchy. It says that Ferry is behind Brown, but that "management" is disappointed. But the reporter does not know who in management is disappointed, and speculates that owner Gilbert wants Brown replaced.

The reporter does claim to know of any specific individual who wants Brown replaced, but states that Ferry - the #1 basketball man in the organization - supports Brown.

Sounds weak to me.

I think that it is wrong to blame such speculation on writers trying to stir the "Lebron to NY" pot. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA. The cruised through the first two rounds of the playoffs, looking better than any Eastern Conference team playoff since the Jordan Bulls. Then they looked overmatched against the Magic, leading many observers asking why they were such an easy team to defeat. That is a natural question to ask, unless you subscribe to the idea that the Cavs will always lose to the Magic for the next few years as long as both teams are constituted as they presently are.

If Brown is to blame for the Cav's loss, a fix is quick and doable. No need for Lebron to change teams because of that.

If the roster is to blame for the Cav's loss, that is a tougher issue to address. Ilgauskas is getting older. Wallace is done for all intents and purposes. Smith and Wally S. are not the answer. Varejäo might leave. An argument could be made that attacking the roster does more to suggest that Lebron might give up and leave Cleveland than does attacking Brown. But I think that the Lebron situation is not the issue.

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Post#16 » by Sid the Squid » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:35 pm

You want to beat the magic? Run run run..Lebron's not a great shooter and he's not going to finish at the basket vs Howard ..Only way to beat the magic is in transition..Lebron should be the greatest fastbreak player since Magic Johnson..It's a damn shame.
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Re: Brown Could Be Out In Cleveland 

Post#17 » by Wisedude42 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:46 pm

I didn't know anyone in the Cavs organization had any smarts to be able to have the courage to suggest that Mike Brown be replaced. Now, all they need to do is REPLACE him. There are many reasons to replace him but I don't have the next 24 hrs to spend writing about all of them.

Just do it and replace him. The sooner, the better. He needs to go.
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Re: Brown Could Be Out In Cleveland 

Post#18 » by wizardg » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:50 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:You want to beat the magic? Run run run..Lebron should be the greatest fastbreak player since Magic Johnson..It's a damn shame.




great point
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Re: Brown Could Be Out In Cleveland 

Post#19 » by Snip » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:07 pm

Lets be realistic here....Is Mike Brown really a 'good' coach or just some random dude with a mega superstar on his side? To be honest, I am leaning towards him being a random dude. Just think what the Cavs could be if they hired a big time coach. If you were to replace Mike Brown with a new first year coach such as Kurt Rambis/Mark Jackson, you would get the same effort and results. Coaches may not play, but their command for style of play makes a huge difference.

Throughout the playoffs, I saw a lot of LJ going one on one, not much of a style of play. I know he is like the best player in the league, but the best player in the league under his coach's guidance could not pull you into the finals. My vote...time for a new coach.
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Re: Brown Could Be Out In Cleveland 

Post#20 » by gflem » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:30 pm

Not gonna happen. I do believe however that he was outcoached by Van Gundy. God, I hate to say that, but its true. We need to junk the gimmick defense of West on Hedo, play straight up, and get a C with some size and bulk to slow Dwight. Sign Ariza, or Artest and there we go.

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