Most realistic/best offseason move.

Amon_Ones88 · Post #1 » by **Amon_Ones88** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:32 pm

Re-sign Anderson.
Use MLE on Charlie Vilanueva.
Trade Ben and Sasha for Vince Carter + filler.

Save rest of out money for 2010 to resign Lebron and another Allstar.

2008-2009 Lineup:
Mo/Gibson
West/Sasha/Kinsey
Lebron/Wally
Ben (for the most part)/Hickson/(later) Smith
Z/Andy

Possible 2009-2010 Lineup
Mo/Boobie
Carter/West
Lebron/Carter/filler
Charlie V/Jackson/Hickson
Z/Andy

Tell me that is not a mass improvement. Tell me it is not possible.

and just so everyone who loves West and Andy starting, let me throw out some season numbers.

West: 11.7 pts, 3.5 rbs, 3.2 assts.
compared to
Vince Carter: 20.8 pts, 5.1 rbs, 4.7 assts.

a little better...

and
Anderson Varejao: 8.6 pts, 7.2 rbs, 1.0 assts.
compared to
Charlie Villanueva: 16.2 pts, 6.7 rbs, 1.8 assts.

so we keep both anderson and west for the bench and just make our starters better....I think it works and gives us height and toughness. The two things that in my opinion lost us the Orlando series. The Re-sign Lebron and another guy and we are set for years.

L&H_05 · Post #2 » by **L&H_05** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:19 pm

It's not that it's not possible, but it does nothing to address throwing the ball into the post and getting production from it..

Z needs to come off the bench and replaced with a defensive C, and the PF spot needs to addressed with a guy that has a low post game..

CV is a stretch-4 and doesn't address this.. Although, he is young and can shoot..

Gordon Bombay · Post #3 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:25 pm

i dont want cv to be the end-all-be-all of the offseason...i dont really want cv starting, id love him off the bench tho

im definitely on board with l&h's defensive center and power forward with a post game philosophy

Roger Murdock · Post #4 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:00 am

I think CV is an awful idea.

DowJones · Post #5 » by **DowJones** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:36 pm

What PF is out there that can give us a post-game though? Boozer maybe...but that is probably a long-shot. I think Elton Brand might be out there to be had if Philly is struggling at the trade deadline. We could give them expirings and JJ for Brand and one of their other bad contracts, giving them max-cap space in 2010.

Roger Murdock · Post #6 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:31 pm

DowJones wrote:What PF is out there that can give us a post-game though? Boozer maybe...but that is probably a long-shot. I think Elton Brand might be out there to be had if Philly is struggling at the trade deadline. We could give them expirings and JJ for Brand and one of their other bad contracts, giving them max-cap space in 2010.

Honestly if they are stuggling we could probably do a straight up ben for brand swap. His contract is bad enough already and he hasnt produced in a while.

DowJones · Post #7 » by **DowJones** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:53 pm

It depends on how bad they are struggling.

Marc3287 · Post #8 » by **Marc3287** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:06 am

This isn't addressing the issues in the post, but this still massively improves the team. Mo/Vince/LeBron is ridiculous. If that trio meshed well, along with adding in Villanueva, that is a scary offense even w/o a huge threat in the post. As close as the Orlando series was, Vince Carter and Charlie Villanueva would have tipped the balance, forget the post presence. This undoubtedly improves the team on paper on a high level.

NashtyNas · Post #9 » by **NashtyNas** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:51 am

I think I would like a simple trade of future first for Josh Boone with the Nets, then pick up Mike Dunleavy + Troy Murphy for Ben + Sasha and draft Danny Green with our 30th.

Williams/West/Gibson
Dunleavy/Gibson/Kinsey
Lebron/Green/Kinsey
Murphy/Varejao/Hickson
Boone/Z/Varejao

That solves a lot of problems We get another legit scorer on the wing in Dunleavy, who is a very good volume scorer, average defender, and has the height & quickness to guard several positions. We also get a VERY good post scorer in Murphy, who is a great banger down low, and can also stretch the floor with the long bomb. He's an above average defender, and a very good rebounder. Not to mention, these guys are signed to decent deals, and would help very much in keeping Lebron around because they're good, young talent. We start Boone who's the young, fast, down-low banging, shot blocking, rebounding big we need and bring Z off the bench for scoring up front. Resign Varejao, and we don't even need to use our MLE or anything.

What does everyone think?

Now, you guys would wonder why Troy Murphy gets traded by Indiana. Well, they were thinking about selling the team because there in a lot of financial trouble, and we take 2 long term deals off them for 2 expiring that would only cost them 1.5mil to buy out Sasha + save another 14 when Ben retires. So they get 19mil instant savings. That is enough incentive for them to do this.

Post #10 » by **wizardg** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:48 am

Marc3287 wrote:This isn't addressing the issues in the post, but this still massively improves the team. Mo/Vince/LeBron is ridiculous. If that trio meshed well, along with adding in Villanueva, that is a scary offense even w/o a huge threat in the post. As close as the Orlando series was, Vince Carter and Charlie Villanueva would have tipped the balance, forget the post presence. This undoubtedly improves the team on paper on a high level.

True and even with the above scenario .... you still want/have to move Z. Z is quickly approaching bum status. He's living off LJ and whereever he get traded too he will look awful.

Post #11 » by **PR07** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:54 am

sd1306 wrote:That solves a lot of problems We get another legit scorer on the wing in Dunleavy, who is a very good volume scorer, average defender, and has the height & quickness to guard several positions. We also get a VERY good post scorer in Murphy, who is a great banger down low, and can also stretch the floor with the long bomb. He's an above average defender, and a very good rebounder. Not to mention, these guys are signed to decent deals, and would help very much in keeping Lebron around because they're good, young talent. We start Boone who's the young, fast, down-low banging, shot blocking, rebounding big we need and bring Z off the bench for scoring up front. Resign Varejao, and we don't even need to use our MLE or anything.

What does everyone think?

Now, you guys would wonder why Troy Murphy gets traded by Indiana. Well, they were thinking about selling the team because there in a lot of financial trouble, and we take 2 long term deals off them for 2 expiring that would only cost them 1.5mil to buy out Sasha + save another 14 when Ben retires

Have you ever seen Troy Murphy play? Banger and Troy Murphy to not go hand-in-hand. He also has virtually no low post game. He's primarily a three point shooter who can occasionally use his quickness and a quick jap step to drive to the rim. I'd also consider his defense just average.

As for the Pacers financial troubles, yes, they've had problems, but the team is going to be in Indy for a long time. I don't think the Pacers would be opposed to trading Murphy for expirings, draft picks, and young players; but that's just so they can rid themselves of his contract so they can pursue a free agent not because of ownership troubles.