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1) Trade for SHAQ by giving up D. West, B. Wallace, and S. Pavlovic

2) Sign restricted FA C. Villanueva to the Mid-level exception 3 yrs w/ Team option on 4th & 5th years. Doubt Milwaukee would match - take the chance.

3) With the 30th pick, draft Jermaine Taylor (2-guard).

4) Buy a 1st rounder and select Dujuan Summers.

5) in the second round, draft, V. Faverani, G. Siler or l. Nevill

I know the Cavs won't do this b/c it is way too smart for them. All the other options of V. Carter and others leaves the Cavs SOFT in the middle and ORL and L.A. will tear them apart next year if the Cavs don't get SHAQ in the middle. Charlie V. is a player - period. This combo beats the hek out of Z and Andy at those starting positions. No brainer- No contest.

JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think the Cavs are willing to trade West and I'm more than positive Milwaukee will do what it takes to have Charlie back on their team.

Wisedude42 wrote:1) Trade for SHAQ by giving up D. West, B. Wallace, and S. Pavlovic

2) Sign restricted FA C. Villanueva to the Mid-level exception 3 yrs w/ Team option on 4th & 5th years. Doubt Milwaukee would match - take the chance.

3) With the 30th pick, draft Jermaine Taylor (2-guard).

4) Buy a 1st rounder and select Dujuan Summers.

5) in the second round, draft, V. Faverani, G. Siler or l. Nevill

I know the Cavs won't do this b/c it is way too smart for them. All the other options of V. Carter and others leaves the Cavs SOFT in the middle and ORL and L.A. will tear them apart next year if the Cavs don't get SHAQ in the middle. Charlie V. is a player - period. This combo beats the hek out of Z and Andy at those starting positions. No brainer- No contest.

JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol calm down there.

Who's going to start at SG for us then, Jermaine Taylor? We downgrade there so guys like Rip, Joe Johnson, Vince, Wade, Kobe, Roy, etc can rip us apart every time we play them.

We can still sign Charlie V even if we got Vince, you know?

Personally, I would prefer Vince and Boone if we can nab him. Sign Charlie V with the MLE and then have something like this:

Mo/West/Boobie
Vince/West
Bron
CV/AV/JJ
Boone/AV/Z

Suddenly, our frontcourt is all pretty young and a lot more talented. We have a big SG who is a legit second option, and we'll have one of the best 6th men in Delonte.

You made my point. The cavs aren't smart enough to do the PLAN.

What makes you so positive that Milwaukee will ensure that Charlie V. is back on their team?

They have financial problems/issues. Sign Charlie and we will give the Bucks 7 days to do something about it or else he goes to the cavs automatically. Until you force the Bucks hand, nooone will ever know.

The backup plan at PF is Andy Verajao so there is a backup plan.

bcortell,

Your plan is also a good well thought out plan. Kudos to you. I prefer to have the big guy- SHAQ - in the middle as opposed to Josh Boone who hasn't really established himself as a starting center. He was coming off the bench for NJ b/c he got beat out by rookie Lopez.

The Cavs can add a veteran guard to go with J. Taylor. R. Carney and R. McCants are two FAs at this position. I can deal with finding a 2-guard after I get my frontline set up and finished off.

Wisedude42 wrote:You made my point. The cavs aren't smart enough to do the PLAN.

What makes you so positive that Milwaukee will ensure that Charlie V. is back on their team?

They have financial problems/issues. Sign Charlie and we will give the Bucks 7 days to do something about it or else he goes to the cavs automatically. Until you force the Bucks hand, nooone will ever know.

The backup plan at PF is Andy Verajao so there is a backup plan.

Never said Charlie V will be back on their team. In fact, there's a chance that Mil doesn't even extend a QO to him, making him an UFA.

Wisedude42 wrote:bcortell,

Your plan is also a good well thought out plan. Kudos to you. I prefer to have the big guy- SHAQ - in the middle as opposed to Josh Boone who hasn't really established himself as a starting center. He was coming off the bench for NJ b/c he got beat out by rookie Lopez.

The Cavs can add a veteran guard to go with J. Taylor. R. Carney and R. McCants are two FAs at this position. I can deal with finding a 2-guard after I get my frontline set up and finished off.

Both Carney and McCants aren't good, to say the least. They are 11th or 12th men on a bench. They would also have to accept the minimum or LLE since you used the MLE on CV. A guy who would fit is Anthony Parker, but again, we could get him for the min or LLE.

Boone isn't anything special, and he should be starting, but I think he may work with a Center by committee approach. We can have him for 18-20 min, AV for 18-20 minutes, and Z for the rest. Not the best plan, I know, but it might work with us. Also, while he isn't great on the offensive end, he does play defense and rebound pretty well. It's hard to say Brooke Lopez is just a rookie because he's a very good rookie. Every center we had would also have been beat out by him.

If we were able to sign Gortat or Zaza, I wouldn't mind getting Yi instead of Boone.

Mo/West/Boobie
Vince/West
Bron
Yi/AV/JJ
Gortat/AV/Z

I still believe Yi can improve (he's only 21 or 22). If you check out his game logs (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/yi_jianli ... stats.html), you'll see the kid has a ton of potential to be a scorer for us. Plus, there's the marketability with the new Chinese owners. I think this is less likely to happen because I would really want a Gortat or Zaza signing before hand, neither of which I think come here.

Just get CV and Barnes..

Even though he's been there before, a deal of CV,West,Ben, and maybe a #1 would probably be enough to net Bosh at the deadline.. The Raps have no leverage..

L&H_05 wrote:Just get CV and Barnes..

Even though he's been there before, a deal of CV,West,Ben, and maybe a #1 would probably be enough to net Bosh at the deadline.. The Raps have no leverage..

From the way Raptors management are talking... they seem to be pefectly willing to keep Bosh for the whole season.

We'll see....

They may, but for a franchise like that, they're running a major risk..

I don't think there's a shot that Bosh is a Raptor past the deadline unless the Raptors are surprisingly a top team in the conference..

L&H_05 wrote:They may, but for a franchise like that, they're running a major risk..

I don't think there's a shot that Bosh is a Raptor past the deadline unless the Raptors are surprisingly a top team in the conference..

I have a question for you: Health issues aside, would you rather have Amare or Bosh?

Its just something we've been discussing on the Wizards board.

Bosh easily.

He's a legit post up threat.. Granted, he prefers a face up style, and has extended range.. However, unlike Amare, he does have a post up game and you can throw the ball down to him..You can also run pick and roll and pick and pop with Bosh, whereas you're more limited with Amare due to his inability to be a consistent shooter..

When I look at Bosh, I see Gasol-like characteristics that suggest to me that even though he's a talented, all star caliber player on his own team--- he would actually be a 10000x% better as a legit number 2 type of player.. Whereas Amare has always pretty much been a number 2 type, and you already know what you get there..

L&H_05 wrote:Just get CV and Barnes..

Even though he's been there before, a deal of CV,West,Ben, and maybe a #1 would probably be enough to net Bosh at the deadline.. The Raps have no leverage..

You guys can sign CV. Our GM isn't going to stop you. He doesn't like CV and we have no money. We probably won't offer him the qualifying offer of $4.6 million so you'll get him for whatever the market offers.

L&H---remember, you guys might not have the leverage at the deadline as it relates to LeBron....

paulpressey25 wrote:

L&H_05 wrote:Just get CV and Barnes..

Even though he's been there before, a deal of CV,West,Ben, and maybe a #1 would probably be enough to net Bosh at the deadline.. The Raps have no leverage..

You guys can sign CV. Our GM isn't going to stop you. He doesn't like CV and we have no money. We probably won't offer him the qualifying offer of $4.6 million so you'll get him for whatever the market offers.

L&H---remember, you guys might not have the leverage at the deadline as it relates to LeBron....

Press,

This is it... This season has to result in a championship.. No guarantees beyond this point..

So I think it's time to go all in..


Just in case this Titantic sinks, I want to go down with a title..

L&H_05 wrote:

paulpressey25 wrote:

L&H_05 wrote:Just get CV and Barnes..

Even though he's been there before, a deal of CV,West,Ben, and maybe a #1 would probably be enough to net Bosh at the deadline.. The Raps have no leverage..

You guys can sign CV. Our GM isn't going to stop you. He doesn't like CV and we have no money. We probably won't offer him the qualifying offer of $4.6 million so you'll get him for whatever the market offers.

L&H---remember, you guys might not have the leverage at the deadline as it relates to LeBron....

Press,

This is it... This season has to result in a championship.. No guarantees beyond this point..

So I think it's time to go all in..


Just in case this Titantic sinks, I want to go down with a title..

FWIW, I don't think LBJ is leaving..championship or not.

But with that being said, I can definitely understand the city of Cleveland's apprehension.

L&H_05 wrote:

paulpressey25 wrote:

L&H_05 wrote:Just get CV and Barnes..

Even though he's been there before, a deal of CV,West,Ben, and maybe a #1 would probably be enough to net Bosh at the deadline.. The Raps have no leverage..

You guys can sign CV. Our GM isn't going to stop you. He doesn't like CV and we have no money. We probably won't offer him the qualifying offer of $4.6 million so you'll get him for whatever the market offers.

L&H---remember, you guys might not have the leverage at the deadline as it relates to LeBron....

Press,

This is it... This season has to result in a championship.. No guarantees beyond this point..

So I think it's time to go all in..


Just in case this Titantic sinks, I want to go down with a title..

I'll second this.

L&H_05 wrote:
Press,

This is it... This season has to result in a championship.. No guarantees beyond this point..

So I think it's time to go all in..


Just in case this Titantic sinks, I want to go down with a title..

Well said L&H...totally agree.

Hey guys I have a little plan of my own that fits in with the all in approach. As I posted on the MIL board, I heard rumor through Sirius NBA Radio that discussions were being had to trade AV (S+T), Sasha, and #30 for Mike Redd and CV. While I thought this was a major steal for the Cavs, the initial feedback from MIL is that they would take this deal. I am not sure how the dollars would match up though.

Secondly, I would do the Shaq trade but it would have to be Wallace plus filler as I am not including West in this deal.

Third, I would expect that after these deals were made that older vets may be interested to come in at a lower price considering the championship potential. Therefore, use the full MLE to bring in Rasheed and Jason Kidd. You know LBJ and Shaq could convince them to come on board.

As for the bi annual exception I would use it on any wing player that might be available.

While our payroll would be approaching NY Yankee style, our lineup would look like this.



Starters:

Mo Williams
Michael Redd
Lebron James
Charlie V
Shaq Diesel

Bench:

Zyndrunas
Rasheed
Delonte West
Jason Kidd


Is this even possible??

Niko23 wrote:Hey guys I have a little plan of my own that fits in with the all in approach. As I posted on the MIL board, I heard rumor through Sirius NBA Radio that discussions were being had to trade AV (S+T), Sasha, and #30 for Mike Redd and CV. While I thought this was a major steal for the Cavs, the initial feedback from MIL is that they would take this deal. I am not sure how the dollars would match up though.

Secondly, I would do the Shaq trade but it would have to be Wallace plus filler as I am not including West in this deal.

Third, I would expect that after these deals were made that older vets may be interested to come in at a lower price considering the championship potential. Therefore, use the full MLE to bring in Rasheed and Jason Kidd. You know LBJ and Shaq could convince them to come on board.

As for the bi annual exception I would use it on any wing player that might be available.

While our payroll would be approaching NY Yankee style, our lineup would look like this.



Starters:

Mo Williams
Michael Redd
Lebron James
Charlie V
Shaq Diesel

Bench:

Zyndrunas
Rasheed
Delonte West
Jason Kidd


Is this even possible??

The first trade wouldn't work without AV having a ridiculous contract. Wallace plus filler for Shaq would work if Boobie was the filler, but then Pho doesn't get the financial benefits of Sasha and really has no reason to do the trade. Sheed might be able to sign for the MLE and Kidd- if he really does want to play with Lebron- could sign for the LLE, though that's highly unlikely. I don't see us offering more than that to Kidd. So you should probably ask, is this at all likely to happen- and that's a no.

Actually, the first trade really wouldn't work even with giving AV a large contract. He would turn BYC, and him and sasha wouldn't even be able to get Redd, let alone CV's salary too (which would probably be BYC).